• Mask effectiveness joke get worse

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 8 10:46:51 2023
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/cdc-repeatedly-misrepresents-mask-research-mask-mandates-worsen

    The CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, which is widely cited but not externally peer-reviewed, serially exaggerated the evidence for mask-wearing among 77 such outside studies it published, according to an independent review by epidemiologists
    at the University of California San Francisco, the system's health sciences campus.

    Just 14% of MMWR studies reached statistical significance and 30% actually studied mask effectiveness. Yet three-quarters concluded that masks were effective, authors Tracy Beth Hoeg, Alyson Haslam and Vinay Prasad wrote in the peer-reviewed American
    Journal of Medicine, the official journal of a consortium of five associations in academic internal medicine.

    None of the 77 was randomized, the strongest form of evidence, and just one study each "used causal language appropriately" ("particle filtration on mannequins") or "cited conflicting evidence" (mostly about influenza), they wrote. "The level of evidence
    generated was low and the conclusions were most often unsupported by the data."


    Without naming her, the authors scolded former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky for citing a low-response phone survey with non-significant results as evidence that masks reduce infection by "more than 80%."

    Hoeg marveled on X, formerly Twitter, that the "5% of studies that reported higher cases rates in the masked group than the comparator group all concluded masks were effective!"

    Now that's Stephenesque conclusive.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Oct 8 12:56:15 2023
    On 10/8/23 12:46 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/cdc-repeatedly-misrepresents-mask-research-mask-mandates-worsen

    The CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, which is widely
    cited but not externally peer-reviewed, serially exaggerated the
    evidence for mask-wearing among 77 such outside studies it published, according to an independent review by epidemiologists at the
    University of California San Francisco, the system's health sciences
    campus.

    Just 14% of MMWR studies reached statistical significance and 30%
    actually studied mask effectiveness. Yet three-quarters concluded
    that masks were effective, authors Tracy Beth Hoeg, Alyson Haslam and
    Vinay Prasad wrote in the peer-reviewed American Journal of Medicine,
    the official journal of a consortium of five associations in academic internal medicine.

    None of the 77 was randomized, the strongest form of evidence, and
    just one study each "used causal language appropriately" ("particle filtration on mannequins") or "cited conflicting evidence" (mostly
    about influenza), they wrote. "The level of evidence generated was
    low and the conclusions were most often unsupported by the data."

    Without naming her, the authors scolded former Centers for Disease
    Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky for citing a
    low-response phone survey with non-significant results as evidence
    that masks reduce infection by "more than 80%."

    Hoeg marveled on X, formerly Twitter, that the "5% of studies that
    reported higher cases rates in the masked group than the comparator
    group all concluded masks were effective!"

    Now that's Stephenesque conclusive.

    Random trials for PPE are unethical.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10446908/

    5.  Conclusion
    Most of the studies included in this rapid systematic review were
    observational rather than experimental. Study designs commonly suffered
    from a critical ROB. The effects measured in each study were variable in magnitude and generally of low precision. Nevertheless, taking together
    the evidence from all studies, we conclude that wearing masks, wearing
    higher quality masks (respirators), and mask mandates generally reduced
    the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 8 17:57:21 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:56:18 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/8/23 12:46 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/cdc-repeatedly-misrepresents-mask-research-mask-mandates-worsen

    The CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, which is widely
    cited but not externally peer-reviewed, serially exaggerated the
    evidence for mask-wearing among 77 such outside studies it published, according to an independent review by epidemiologists at the
    University of California San Francisco, the system's health sciences campus.

    Just 14% of MMWR studies reached statistical significance and 30%
    actually studied mask effectiveness. Yet three-quarters concluded
    that masks were effective, authors Tracy Beth Hoeg, Alyson Haslam and Vinay Prasad wrote in the peer-reviewed American Journal of Medicine,
    the official journal of a consortium of five associations in academic internal medicine.

    None of the 77 was randomized, the strongest form of evidence, and
    just one study each "used causal language appropriately" ("particle filtration on mannequins") or "cited conflicting evidence" (mostly
    about influenza), they wrote. "The level of evidence generated was
    low and the conclusions were most often unsupported by the data."

    Without naming her, the authors scolded former Centers for Disease
    Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky for citing a low-response phone survey with non-significant results as evidence
    that masks reduce infection by "more than 80%."

    Hoeg marveled on X, formerly Twitter, that the "5% of studies that reported higher cases rates in the masked group than the comparator
    group all concluded masks were effective!"

    Now that's Stephenesque conclusive.
    Random trials for PPE are unethical.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10446908/

    5.  Conclusion
    Most of the studies included in this rapid systematic review were observational rather than experimental. Study designs commonly suffered
    from a critical ROB. The effects measured in each study were variable in magnitude and generally of low precision. Nevertheless, taking together
    the evidence from all studies, we conclude that wearing masks, wearing higher quality masks (respirators), and mask mandates generally reduced
    the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    The science of wishful thinking.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Oct 9 09:46:11 2023
    On 10/8/23 7:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:56:18 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10446908/

    5.  Conclusion
    Most of the studies included in this rapid systematic review were
    observational rather than experimental. Study designs commonly suffered
    from a critical ROB. The effects measured in each study were variable in
    magnitude and generally of low precision. Nevertheless, taking together
    the evidence from all studies, we conclude that wearing masks, wearing
    higher quality masks (respirators), and mask mandates generally reduced
    the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    The science of wishful thinking.

    That's not how science works.

    Of course, your politicized bias against masks goes against common sense
    to begin with. If infection is affected by viral load (and it is), why
    wouldn't a physical barrier that reduces viral load have an effect?

    Why are infection rates jumping in hospitals that eliminate masking?

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 07:56:07 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    Of course, your politicized bias against masks goes against common sense
    to begin with. If infection is affected by viral load (and it is), why wouldn't a physical barrier that reduces viral load have an effect?

    Wait a second... You're demarcating a logical two-step for Witless to follow, but you've neither offered a carrot nor waved a stick. How about suggesting that for contemplating your lemma, you'll pay the bill for their next belly rub at
    their local Nazi Comfort Centre. And if instead, the mutt reacts with their customary
    spate of savage yapping, you'll arrange to have a Pride parade tramp right by their house.

    Why are infection rates jumping in hospitals that eliminate masking?

    Well, duh. That's "god" helping to thin the herd. It's mysterious, so it must be "god".

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Mon Oct 9 10:35:05 2023
    On 10/9/23 9:56 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    Of course, your politicized bias against masks goes against common sense
    to begin with. If infection is affected by viral load (and it is), why
    wouldn't a physical barrier that reduces viral load have an effect?

    Wait a second... You're demarcating a logical two-step for Witless to follow, but you've neither offered a carrot nor waved a stick. How about suggesting that for contemplating your lemma, you'll pay the bill for their next belly rub at
    their local Nazi Comfort Centre. And if instead, the mutt reacts with their customary
    spate of savage yapping, you'll arrange to have a Pride parade tramp right by their house.

    Yes, arguments must be in the form of wagers or insults.

    Why are infection rates jumping in hospitals that eliminate masking?

    Well, duh. That's "god" helping to thin the herd. It's mysterious, so it must be "god".

    And who cares about Brits and Canadians anyway?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Oct 9 12:13:46 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:57:23 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:56:18 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/8/23 12:46 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/cdc-repeatedly-misrepresents-mask-research-mask-mandates-worsen

    The CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, which is widely
    cited but not externally peer-reviewed, serially exaggerated the evidence for mask-wearing among 77 such outside studies it published, according to an independent review by epidemiologists at the
    University of California San Francisco, the system's health sciences campus.

    Just 14% of MMWR studies reached statistical significance and 30% actually studied mask effectiveness. Yet three-quarters concluded
    that masks were effective, authors Tracy Beth Hoeg, Alyson Haslam and Vinay Prasad wrote in the peer-reviewed American Journal of Medicine, the official journal of a consortium of five associations in academic internal medicine.

    None of the 77 was randomized, the strongest form of evidence, and
    just one study each "used causal language appropriately" ("particle filtration on mannequins") or "cited conflicting evidence" (mostly
    about influenza), they wrote. "The level of evidence generated was
    low and the conclusions were most often unsupported by the data."

    Without naming her, the authors scolded former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky for citing a low-response phone survey with non-significant results as evidence
    that masks reduce infection by "more than 80%."

    Hoeg marveled on X, formerly Twitter, that the "5% of studies that reported higher cases rates in the masked group than the comparator group all concluded masks were effective!"

    Now that's Stephenesque conclusive.
    Random trials for PPE are unethical.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10446908/

    5.  Conclusion
    Most of the studies included in this rapid systematic review were observational rather than experimental. Study designs commonly suffered from a critical ROB. The effects measured in each study were variable in magnitude and generally of low precision. Nevertheless, taking together the evidence from all studies, we conclude that wearing masks, wearing higher quality masks (respirators), and mask mandates generally reduced the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection.
    The science of wishful thinking.

    ScottW

    The best solution is to just stop breathing,

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