• Stephen can't spin this

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 16:19:44 2023
    https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/real-household-income-inflation/

    US inflation-adjusted household income fell in 2022 by the most in over a decade, highlighting the toll of a higher cost of living and the expiration of pandemic-era programs.

    The median income last year was $74,580 compared with $76,330 in 2021, according to the Census Bureau’s annual reports on income, poverty and health insurance coverage.

    The 2.3% drop in incomes — which was the most since 2010 — marked the third-straight annual decline, which has been a feature of past recessions like the global financial crisis, the dotcom bubble and the downturn in the early 1990s. Last year,
    American families faced the the largest annual increase in the cost-of-living adjustment in over four decades.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Sep 12 19:40:45 2023
    On 9/12/23 6:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/real-household-income-inflation/

    US inflation-adjusted household income fell in 2022 by the most in
    over a decade, highlighting the toll of a higher cost of living and
    the expiration of pandemic-era programs.

    The median income last year was $74,580 compared with $76,330 in
    2021, according to the Census Bureau’s annual reports on income,
    poverty and health insurance coverage.

    The 2.3% drop in incomes — which was the most since 2010 — marked the third-straight annual decline, which has been a feature of past
    recessions like the global financial crisis, the dotcom bubble and
    the downturn in the early 1990s. Last year, American families faced
    the the largest annual increase in the cost-of-living adjustment in
    over four decades.

    Sure, I can:

    "The official US poverty rate ... edged lower to 11.5% from 11.6% in the
    prior year. The rate has been roughly cut in half over the past six
    decades...

    Hourly earnings have ... started to outpace inflation in recent months
    after lagging for two years...

    The so-called Gini index — a measure of income inequality — fell to
    0.488, indicating a narrowing of the gap as pay among the highest
    earners decreased... [and] incomes for those among the bottom 10th
    ticked up to $17,100."

    Before you bare your fangs, that's an exercise in spin to show it's
    possible.

    I prefer the original instead of having it colored by Bloomberg's editorializing:

    https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2023/income-poverty-health-insurance-coverage.html


    "This year’s report is the first in which the Census Bureau used the
    Chained Consumer Price Index to adjust prior year income estimates for inflation."

    Cue Art to explain how changing the methods invalidate the comparisons.

    "Between 2021 and 2022, the number of full-time, year-round workers
    increased by 3.4%, compared to a 1.7% increase in the number of total
    workers."

    More workers! Thanks, Joe!

    "The SPM rate in 2022 was 12.4%, an increase of 4.6 percentage points
    from 2021. This increase can be attributed to key changes in federal tax policy, including the expiration of temporary expansions to the Child
    Tax Credit (CTC) and the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) as well as the
    end of pandemic-era stimulus payments. This is the first increase in the overall SPM poverty rate since 2010."

    This is on the Republican House that chose not to renew these programs.

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.pdf

    "Between 2021 and 2022, the share of aggregate household income
    increased in the lowest quintile (from 2.9 percent to 3.0 percent), the
    second quintile (from 8.0 percent to 8.2 percent), and the third
    quintile (from 13.9 percent to 14.0 percent). The share of aggregate
    household income decreased in the highest quintile (from 52.7 percent to
    52.1 percent). The changes in the fourth quintile and the top 5 percent
    of households were not statistically significant between 2021 and 2022."

    There's the problem with focusing on the median. The bottom three
    quintiles increased their share of the aggregate income at the expense
    of the highest quintile which indicates an income of $153,001 or more.

    Here's the real spin: inflation hit nearly 8% but we're only down less
    than 3% after adjustments.

    Another take:

    https://twitter.com/lydiadepillis/status/1701605760852259239

    "We've got new poverty and income data for 2022 from the Census, and
    there's a lot in there, but this is a big takeaway: While real median
    income overall dropped, it ONLY dropped significantly for white workers,
    and the least educated saw gains."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 21:12:08 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:40:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/12/23 6:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/real-household-income-inflation/

    US inflation-adjusted household income fell in 2022 by the most in
    over a decade, highlighting the toll of a higher cost of living and
    the expiration of pandemic-era programs.

    The median income last year was $74,580 compared with $76,330 in
    2021, according to the Census Bureau’s annual reports on income,
    poverty and health insurance coverage.

    The 2.3% drop in incomes — which was the most since 2010 — marked the third-straight annual decline, which has been a feature of past
    recessions like the global financial crisis, the dotcom bubble and
    the downturn in the early 1990s. Last year, American families faced
    the the largest annual increase in the cost-of-living adjustment in
    over four decades.
    Sure, I can:

    "The official US poverty rate ... edged lower to 11.5% from 11.6% in the prior year. The rate has been roughly cut in half over the past six decades...

    However, the supplemental poverty measure — which is based on post-tax income and includes government-transfer payments like stimulus checks — rose to 12.4% last year. It was the first increase since 2010, which in part reflected the end of
    government pandemic-era programs and stimulus payments.

    For children, the SPM rate more than doubled last year after the expiration of the advance child-tax credit. The benefit, which was expanded in 2021 as a part of Biden’s signature American Rescue Plan, gave families as much as $300 per child per month.

    Hourly earnings have ... started to outpace inflation in recent months
    after lagging for two years...

    The so-called Gini index — a measure of income inequality — fell to 0.488, indicating a narrowing of the gap as pay among the highest
    earners decreased... [and] incomes for those among the bottom 10th
    ticked up to $17,100."

    Median incomes at the 90th percentile fell to $216,000 in 2022, while incomes for those among the bottom 10th ticked up to $17,100.

    I know you don't care about the rich but they're the poor bastards that are paying taxes and this is really bad news for gov't revenue and deficits.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Sep 13 09:01:06 2023
    On 9/12/23 11:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:40:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/12/23 6:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/real-household-income-inflation/

    US inflation-adjusted household income fell in 2022 by the most
    in over a decade, highlighting the toll of a higher cost of
    living and the expiration of pandemic-era programs.

    The median income last year was $74,580 compared with $76,330 in
    2021, according to the Census Bureau’s annual reports on income,
    poverty and health insurance coverage.

    The 2.3% drop in incomes — which was the most since 2010 — marked
    the third-straight annual decline, which has been a feature of
    past recessions like the global financial crisis, the dotcom
    bubble and the downturn in the early 1990s. Last year, American
    families faced the the largest annual increase in the
    cost-of-living adjustment in over four decades.
    Sure, I can:

    "The official US poverty rate ... edged lower to 11.5% from 11.6%
    in the prior year. The rate has been roughly cut in half over the
    past six decades...

    However, the supplemental poverty measure — which is based on
    post-tax income and includes government-transfer payments like
    stimulus checks — rose to 12.4% last year. It was the first increase
    since 2010, which in part reflected the end of government
    pandemic-era programs and stimulus payments.

    For children, the SPM rate more than doubled last year after the
    expiration of the advance child-tax credit. The benefit, which was
    expanded in 2021 as a part of Biden’s signature American Rescue Plan,
    gave families as much as $300 per child per month.

    That's on Republicans for not extending those programs.

    Hourly earnings have ... started to outpace inflation in recent
    months after lagging for two years...

    The so-called Gini index — a measure of income inequality — fell
    to 0.488, indicating a narrowing of the gap as pay among the
    highest earners decreased... [and] incomes for those among the
    bottom 10th ticked up to $17,100."

    Median incomes at the 90th percentile fell to $216,000 in 2022, while
    incomes for those among the bottom 10th ticked up to $17,100.

    All there in the report.

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.pdf

    I know you don't care about the rich but they're the poor bastards
    that are paying taxes and this is really bad news for gov't revenue
    and deficits.

    Changing the subject and snipping my points. I guess it's bad news if
    you're a rich white guy.

    The deficits will improve when Trump's tax cuts expire.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 08:03:03 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:01:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/12/23 11:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:40:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/12/23 6:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/real-household-income-inflation/

    US inflation-adjusted household income fell in 2022 by the most
    in over a decade, highlighting the toll of a higher cost of
    living and the expiration of pandemic-era programs.

    The median income last year was $74,580 compared with $76,330 in
    2021, according to the Census Bureau’s annual reports on income,
    poverty and health insurance coverage.

    The 2.3% drop in incomes — which was the most since 2010 — marked >>> the third-straight annual decline, which has been a feature of
    past recessions like the global financial crisis, the dotcom
    bubble and the downturn in the early 1990s. Last year, American
    families faced the the largest annual increase in the
    cost-of-living adjustment in over four decades.
    Sure, I can:

    "The official US poverty rate ... edged lower to 11.5% from 11.6%
    in the prior year. The rate has been roughly cut in half over the
    past six decades...

    However, the supplemental poverty measure — which is based on
    post-tax income and includes government-transfer payments like
    stimulus checks — rose to 12.4% last year. It was the first increase since 2010, which in part reflected the end of government
    pandemic-era programs and stimulus payments.

    For children, the SPM rate more than doubled last year after the expiration of the advance child-tax credit. The benefit, which was expanded in 2021 as a part of Biden’s signature American Rescue Plan, gave families as much as $300 per child per month.
    That's on Republicans for not extending those programs.

    More unfunded programs from dems.
    If you had the votes to expand it why not extend it too?
    Let me guess....politics. Your party would rather have the issue to
    blame.

    Hourly earnings have ... started to outpace inflation in recent
    months after lagging for two years...

    The so-called Gini index — a measure of income inequality — fell
    to 0.488, indicating a narrowing of the gap as pay among the
    highest earners decreased... [and] incomes for those among the
    bottom 10th ticked up to $17,100."

    Median incomes at the 90th percentile fell to $216,000 in 2022, while incomes for those among the bottom 10th ticked up to $17,100.
    All there in the report.

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.pdf
    I know you don't care about the rich but they're the poor bastards
    that are paying taxes and this is really bad news for gov't revenue
    and deficits.
    Changing the subject and snipping my points.

    It's very relevant to your complaints about gov't not funding programs.

    I guess it's bad news if
    you're a rich white guy.

    It's bad news if you're a poor piano teacher hoping for UBI to save your stupid ass too.


    The deficits will improve when Trump's tax cuts expire.

    And the middle class will get hammered and homelessness will get even worse. We're on the cusp of recession and you want to raise taxes.
    Brilliant!

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Sep 13 11:01:28 2023
    On 9/13/23 10:03 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:01:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/12/23 11:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:40:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/12/23 6:19 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/real-household-income-inflation/

    US inflation-adjusted household income fell in 2022 by the most
    in over a decade, highlighting the toll of a higher cost of
    living and the expiration of pandemic-era programs.

    The median income last year was $74,580 compared with $76,330 in
    2021, according to the Census Bureau’s annual reports on income,
    poverty and health insurance coverage.

    The 2.3% drop in incomes — which was the most since 2010 — marked >>>>> the third-straight annual decline, which has been a feature of
    past recessions like the global financial crisis, the dotcom
    bubble and the downturn in the early 1990s. Last year, American
    families faced the the largest annual increase in the
    cost-of-living adjustment in over four decades.
    Sure, I can:

    "The official US poverty rate ... edged lower to 11.5% from 11.6%
    in the prior year. The rate has been roughly cut in half over the
    past six decades...

    However, the supplemental poverty measure — which is based on
    post-tax income and includes government-transfer payments like
    stimulus checks — rose to 12.4% last year. It was the first increase
    since 2010, which in part reflected the end of government
    pandemic-era programs and stimulus payments.

    For children, the SPM rate more than doubled last year after the
    expiration of the advance child-tax credit. The benefit, which was
    expanded in 2021 as a part of Biden’s signature American Rescue Plan,
    gave families as much as $300 per child per month.
    That's on Republicans for not extending those programs.

    More unfunded programs from dems.

    We like the lower poverty levels that result.

    If you had the votes to expand it why not extend it too?
    Let me guess....politics. Your party would rather have the issue to
    blame.

    House Republicans.

    Hourly earnings have ... started to outpace inflation in recent
    months after lagging for two years...

    The so-called Gini index — a measure of income inequality — fell
    to 0.488, indicating a narrowing of the gap as pay among the
    highest earners decreased... [and] incomes for those among the
    bottom 10th ticked up to $17,100."

    Median incomes at the 90th percentile fell to $216,000 in 2022, while
    incomes for those among the bottom 10th ticked up to $17,100.
    All there in the report.

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.pdf
    I know you don't care about the rich but they're the poor bastards
    that are paying taxes and this is really bad news for gov't revenue
    and deficits.
    Changing the subject and snipping my points.

    It's very relevant to your complaints about gov't not funding programs.

    Snipping my points? Don't see the relevance as those programs can be
    funded no matter the revenue.

    I guess it's bad news if you're a rich white guy.

    It's bad news if you're a poor piano teacher...

    No, the lowest three quintiles are okay.

    The deficits will improve when Trump's tax cuts expire.

    And the middle class will get hammered and homelessness will get even worse. We're on the cusp of recession and you want to raise taxes.
    Brilliant!

    The rich can afford it. Better than increasing unemployment by raising
    interest rates.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 15:12:47 2023

    "We've got new poverty and income data for 2022 from the Census, and
    there's a lot in there, but this is a big takeaway: While real median
    income overall dropped, it ONLY dropped significantly for white workers,
    and the least educated saw gains."

    I get it. Fuck white workers.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 15:15:30 2023
    v
    Changing the subject and snipping my points. I guess it's bad news if
    you're a rich white guy.


    You made your points. Its not up to Scott and me to repeat them for you

    When I snip previous info, I snip my own as well as yours.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Sep 15 09:45:24 2023
    On 9/14/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:


    "We've got new poverty and income data for 2022 from the Census, and
    there's a lot in there, but this is a big takeaway: While real median
    income overall dropped, it ONLY dropped significantly for white workers,
    and the least educated saw gains."

    I get it. Fuck white workers.

    OTOH, your lack of education is paying off.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Sep 15 09:46:53 2023
    On 9/14/23 5:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    v
    Changing the subject and snipping my points. I guess it's bad news if
    you're a rich white guy.

    You made your points. Its not up to Scott and me to repeat them for you

    Yes, it is, if you comment as if they were never there as Scott has been
    known to do.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 15 16:24:27 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:46:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 5:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    v



    You made your points. Its not up to Scott and me to repeat them for you
    Yes, it is, if you comment as if they were never there as Scott has been known to do.

    I leave your points that i just commented on. I erase the rest.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 15 16:50:57 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:


    OTOH, your lack of education is paying off.

    i have a classic Great Books education.
    Dead white people, some whom owned slaves.
    Few women
    fewer POC's
    Never been exposed to a trans (thank God)

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Sep 16 10:05:38 2023
    On 9/15/23 6:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:


    OTOH, your lack of education is paying off.

    i have a classic Great Books education.
    Dead white people, some whom owned slaves.
    Few women
    fewer POC's
    Never been exposed to a trans (thank God)

    That you know of.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 16 21:48:13 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 11:05:41 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/15/23 6:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    c
    Never been exposed to a trans (thank God)
    That you know of.

    I googled and Binged for them.
    Came up empty.
    Youewould think the woke prog search engines would feature them.

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