President Joe Biden's approval rating with independent voters, a
critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at 31%, while 80% of
them say things in America are going "somewhat" or "very" badly,
according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press conference and
his reelection campaign.
On 9/11/23 9:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
President Joe Biden's approval rating with independent voters, a
critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at 31%, while 80% of
them say things in America are going "somewhat" or "very" badly,
according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press conference andYou're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you mentioned with
his reelection campaign.
links to CNN?
If you want to understand what's really going on, as opposed to cheerleading, ask yourself why Biden is getting the "But her emails"
media approach over his age.
I see Republicans are criticizing Biden for being in Alaska on 9/11. I
guess being en route returning from a foreign trip strengthening US
bonds with India and Vietnam as a counter to China isn't a good enough excuse for them.
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/11/23 9:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
President Joe Biden's approval rating with independent voters, aYou're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you mentioned
critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at 31%, while 80%
of them say things in America are going "somewhat" or "very"
badly, according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press conference
and his reelection campaign.
with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be posted.
If you want to understand what's really going on, as opposed to
cheerleading, ask yourself why Biden is getting the "But her
emails" media approach over his age.
You expect me to defend media? LoL. You're just upset that your
usual media defenders have changed their behavior.
I see Republicans are criticizing Biden for being in Alaska on
9/11. I guess being en route returning from a foreign trip
strengthening US bonds with India and Vietnam as a counter to China
isn't a good enough excuse for them.
Do you really think Joe's stumbling and mumbling strengthened
anything?
And face reality....this scramble for allies around China is pretty
much a friggin joke. These "allies" can't do much of anything that
would matter beyond hosting US forces and none are doing that.
Here's the conundrum we face and it's not pretty. We can't
militarily stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. If we try, we get
slaughtered. But if we admit that and begin to openly and rapidly
move to replace dependence on Taiwan goods (TSMC being the most known
but there are many others) and all Chinese goods (because economic
sanctions is all we'll be able to muster to oppose the invasion) than
we're signaling China that we're preparing for their takeover of
Taiwan and we either won't militarily oppose it or know we would fail
which may hasten their plans. I really don't have a good answer but I
would pursue aggressive preparations for a complete shut down of
trade with China and Taiwan even if it means signaling China that
Taiwan is lost. We might have 5 years and the Chips act isn't nearly
enough. I just don't see a choice. In back channel I would tell
Taiwan they need to seek peaceful reunification or face annihilation
and we won't be sending our Navy to slaughter with them. Considering
how the Hong Kong deal went....that prospect has gotta suck for
Taiwan leaders.
On 9/12/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/11/23 9:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
President Joe Biden's approval rating with independent voters, aYou're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you mentioned
critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at 31%, while 80%
of them say things in America are going "somewhat" or "very"
badly, according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press conference
and his reelection campaign.
with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be posted.
It was linked and discussed in the story you cited.
On 9/12/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/11/23 9:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
President Joe Biden's approval rating with independent voters, aYou're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you mentioned
critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at 31%, while 80%
of them say things in America are going "somewhat" or "very"
badly, according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press conference
and his reelection campaign.
with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be posted.It was linked and discussed in the story you cited.
If you want to understand what's really going on, as opposed to
cheerleading, ask yourself why Biden is getting the "But her
emails" media approach over his age.
You expect me to defend media? LoL. You're just upset that yourIt's not the seventies anymore.
usual media defenders have changed their behavior.
Corporate media bends over backwards to
privilege the right wing: "But her emails."
India is a shit ally.I see Republicans are criticizing Biden for being in Alaska on
9/11. I guess being en route returning from a foreign trip
strengthening US bonds with India and Vietnam as a counter to China
isn't a good enough excuse for them.
Do you really think Joe's stumbling and mumbling strengthenedYes. Inviting India to the US Security Council is a big deal.
anything?
So is the
proposed Vietnam strategic partnership.
Biden got deals done.
And face reality....this scramble for allies around China is prettyWell, what a waste of time then. Wasn't there a China-Vietnam war a
much a friggin joke. These "allies" can't do much of anything that
would matter beyond hosting US forces and none are doing that.
while back? How'd that go?
India is a huge population center and a growing economic force already
in conflict with China.
Here's the conundrum we face and it's not pretty. We can'tGreat, I woke up the military "expert."
militarily stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. If we try, we get slaughtered. But if we admit that and begin to openly and rapidly
move to replace dependence on Taiwan goods (TSMC being the most known
but there are many others) and all Chinese goods (because economic sanctions is all we'll be able to muster to oppose the invasion) than we're signaling China that we're preparing for their takeover of
Taiwan and we either won't militarily oppose it or know we would fail which may hasten their plans. I really don't have a good answer but I would pursue aggressive preparations for a complete shut down of
trade with China and Taiwan even if it means signaling China that
Taiwan is lost. We might have 5 years and the Chips act isn't nearly enough. I just don't see a choice. In back channel I would tell
Taiwan they need to seek peaceful reunification or face annihilation
and we won't be sending our Navy to slaughter with them. Considering
how the Hong Kong deal went....that prospect has gotta suck for
Taiwan leaders.
I wonder what people who
considered the Ukraine situation a test for Taiwan would think of your views.
I also wonder if China's growing economic problems make them more or
less vulnerable to financial pressure.
On 9/12/23 12:46 PM, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/12/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/11/23 9:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
President Joe Biden's approval rating with independent voters, aYou're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you mentioned
critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at 31%, while 80%
of them say things in America are going "somewhat" or "very"
badly, according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press conference
and his reelection campaign.
with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be posted.
It was linked and discussed in the story you cited.Hey, look! DailyKos front page:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/12/2192748/-Beware-of-polling-The-BS-has-already-started
"Last week, pundits had a field day with a CNN poll showing President
Joe Biden's approval ratings were 22 points underwater at 39% approve,
61% disapprove. Some Democratic analysts promptly jumped aboard Team Hysteria."
Additional link, Simon Rosenberg:
https://twitter.com/simonwdc/status/1700914284568465494?s=61&t=txnZ8IYEU1RZcVN8P3tZvg
"Is the CNN poll an outlier?
Biden job approval in polls this week w/September interviews: Economist/YouGov 45-53 (-8)
Redfield & Wilton 38-46 (-8)
TIPP/IBD 41-49 (-8)
Morning Consult 40-52 (-12) (Has Biden up 44-41 over Trump)
CNN/SRSS 39-61 (-22)
Sure looks like an outlier."
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:46:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/12/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109It was linked and discussed in the story you cited.
wrote:
On 9/11/23 9:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
President Joe Biden's approval rating with independentYou're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you
voters, a critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at
31%, while 80% of them say things in America are going
"somewhat" or "very" badly, according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press
conference and his reelection campaign.
mentioned with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be
posted.
Are you having thread dyslexia?
It's not the seventies anymore.If you want to understand what's really going on, as opposed
to cheerleading, ask yourself why Biden is getting the "But
her emails" media approach over his age.
You expect me to defend media? LoL. You're just upset that your
usual media defenders have changed their behavior.
It's not even 2022 anymore. I know you're slow to catch on....but
Biden's base is crumbling and media is looking for a way to avert
disaster. Bumping Biden out of the race is Step 1. I even think
Republicans are having 2nd thoughts about the inquiry due to his
collapse. Why save dems from themselves?
Corporate media bends over backwards to privilege the right wing:
"But her emails."
LoL...that's the most delusional perception of reality I've seen
today. And I've been cruising some whacked message boards.
India is a shit ally.Yes. Inviting India to the US Security Council is a big deal.I see Republicans are criticizing Biden for being in Alaska on
9/11. I guess being en route returning from a foreign trip
strengthening US bonds with India and Vietnam as a counter to
China isn't a good enough excuse for them.
Do you really think Joe's stumbling and mumbling strengthened
anything?
20viaSo is the proposed Vietnam strategic partnership.
Proposed? It's a 10 year old deal done under Obama and you don't
even know about it. That's how big it is.
Read the puff.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/09/11/joint-leaders-statement-elevating-united-states-vietnam-relations-to-a-comprehensive-strategic-partnership/#:~:text=Both%20sides%20intend%20to%20seek,of%20the%20two%20countries%
Show me one meaningful comment on military cooperation in the event
of China invading Taiwan. There's nothing. Not even a joint
military exercise.
Biden got deals done.
It's inconsequential.
And face reality....this scramble for allies around China isWell, what a waste of time then. Wasn't there a China-Vietnam war
pretty much a friggin joke. These "allies" can't do much of
anything that would matter beyond hosting US forces and none are
doing that.
a while back? How'd that go?
India is a huge population center and a growing economic force
already in conflict with China.
Blah blah blah. India is going to sit on it's ass and do what India
thinks is best for India. In the case of Taiwan...that would be
nothing. They won't even be a good partner in sanctions just like
their not a good one now on Russia.
Here's the conundrum we face and it's not pretty. We can'tGreat, I woke up the military "expert."
militarily stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. If we try, we get
slaughtered. But if we admit that and begin to openly and
rapidly move to replace dependence on Taiwan goods (TSMC being
the most known but there are many others) and all Chinese goods
(because economic sanctions is all we'll be able to muster to
oppose the invasion) than we're signaling China that we're
preparing for their takeover of Taiwan and we either won't
militarily oppose it or know we would fail which may hasten their
plans. I really don't have a good answer but I would pursue
aggressive preparations for a complete shut down of trade with
China and Taiwan even if it means signaling China that Taiwan is
lost. We might have 5 years and the Chips act isn't nearly
enough. I just don't see a choice. In back channel I would tell
Taiwan they need to seek peaceful reunification or face
annihilation and we won't be sending our Navy to slaughter with
them. Considering how the Hong Kong deal went....that prospect
has gotta suck for Taiwan leaders.
No you didn't. You don't like to read much. It shows.
I wonder what people who considered the Ukraine situation a test
for Taiwan would think of your views.
They can think what they want. Taiwan would be a wholly different
war. It's never going to become a WWI Trench war. Never.
I also wonder if China's growing economic problems make them more
or less vulnerable to financial pressure.
I don't think China really gives a shit about financial pressure.
They've already created a situation where killing their economy will
fuck ours just as bad. They're sticking to plan and the plan includes economic pain.
On 9/12/23 11:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:46:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/12/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109It was linked and discussed in the story you cited.
wrote:
On 9/11/23 9:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
President Joe Biden's approval rating with independentYou're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you
voters, a critical bloc ahead of the 2024 election, is at
31%, while 80% of them say things in America are going
"somewhat" or "very" badly, according to a new poll.
Cue the music as Joe gets the hook....at his press
conference and his reelection campaign.
mentioned with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be
posted.
Are you having thread dyslexia?You're starting a thread as if your uncited quote is new when it is in
the DailyKos story.
Thread amnesia is Arny debating trade.
It's not the seventies anymore.If you want to understand what's really going on, as opposed
to cheerleading, ask yourself why Biden is getting the "But
her emails" media approach over his age.
You expect me to defend media? LoL. You're just upset that your
usual media defenders have changed their behavior.
It's not even 2022 anymore. I know you're slow to catch on....butBiden's base is not crumbling and the media remains effectively pro-Trump.
Biden's base is crumbling and media is looking for a way to avert disaster. Bumping Biden out of the race is Step 1. I even think Republicans are having 2nd thoughts about the inquiry due to his
collapse. Why save dems from themselves?
Corporate media bends over backwards to privilege the right wing:
"But her emails."
LoL...that's the most delusional perception of reality I've seenIt's a commonplace mainstream observation.
today. And I've been cruising some whacked message boards.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2023/09/09/why-2024-might-be-2016-redux-00114869
"But there’s a creeping concern among Democrats that the overall gestalt of a Biden-Trump rematch may not be so much 2020 as it is 2016.
What they mean by that is that Biden’s vulnerabilities risk being blown
up as equivalent to Trump’s. In other words, what they would describe as Trump’s megalomaniac incompetence is no different than Biden’s alleged cognitive decline. That Trump’s dozens of criminal charges will get generally equated with HUNTER BIDEN’s legal issues. That the comparison
of the Biden economy and the Trump economy becomes a wash at best. In
this version of bedwetting, 2024 becomes another but-her-emails campaign rather than another MAGA-and-choice campaign."
Vox guy:
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1701301644095291398
Whacked out:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/11/2192656/-Biden-s-age-is-the-but-her-emails-of-2024
Nate Silver denies it, therefore it's true:
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1701415079239926006
Nonetheless.India is a shit ally.Yes. Inviting India to the US Security Council is a big deal.I see Republicans are criticizing Biden for being in Alaska on
9/11. I guess being en route returning from a foreign trip
strengthening US bonds with India and Vietnam as a counter to
China isn't a good enough excuse for them.
Do you really think Joe's stumbling and mumbling strengthened
anything?
20viaSo is the proposed Vietnam strategic partnership.
Proposed? It's a 10 year old deal done under Obama and you don't
even know about it. That's how big it is.
Read the puff.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/09/11/joint-leaders-statement-elevating-united-states-vietnam-relations-to-a-comprehensive-strategic-partnership/#:~:text=Both%20sides%20intend%20to%20seek,of%20the%20two%20countries%
Show me one meaningful comment on military cooperation in the eventThe point is to strengthen Vietnam's economy such that it will compete
of China invading Taiwan. There's nothing. Not even a joint
military exercise.
with China.
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/12/23 11:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:46:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/12/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
You're starting a thread as if your uncited quote is new when it is inIt was linked and discussed in the story you cited.You're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you
mentioned with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be
posted.
Are you having thread dyslexia?
the DailyKos story.
Not where I linked it from and wasn't part of my discussion.
Anyway, nice to see you whine about having to see the poll....twice.
Thread amnesia is Arny debating trade.
Biden's base is not crumbling and the media remains effectively pro-Trump.It's not the seventies anymore.If you want to understand what's really going on, as opposed
to cheerleading, ask yourself why Biden is getting the "But
her emails" media approach over his age.
You expect me to defend media? LoL. You're just upset that your
usual media defenders have changed their behavior.
It's not even 2022 anymore. I know you're slow to catch on....but
Biden's base is crumbling and media is looking for a way to avert
disaster. Bumping Biden out of the race is Step 1. I even think
Republicans are having 2nd thoughts about the inquiry due to his
collapse. Why save dems from themselves?
ROTFLMAO.....Media is pro-Trump! I think if that was polled it would sub 1%.
Corporate media bends over backwards to privilege the right wing:
"But her emails."
LoL...that's the most delusional perception of reality I've seen
today. And I've been cruising some whacked message boards.
It's a commonplace mainstream observation.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2023/09/09/why-2024-might-be-2016-redux-00114869
"But there’s a creeping concern among Democrats that the overall gestalt >> of a Biden-Trump rematch may not be so much 2020 as it is 2016.
...In this version of bedwetting, 2024 becomes another but-her-emails campaign
rather than another MAGA-and-choice campaign."
Vox guy:
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1701301644095291398
Whacked out:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/11/2192656/-Biden-s-age-is-the-but-her-emails-of-2024
Nate Silver denies it, therefore it's true:
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1701415079239926006
Show me one meaningful comment on military cooperation in the eventThe point is to strengthen Vietnam's economy such that it will compete
of China invading Taiwan. There's nothing. Not even a joint
military exercise.
with China.
LMAO....
.1 vs 1.3 Billion.
You say the stupidest stuff.
On 9/13/23 10:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 9/12/23 11:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:46:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 9/12/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:53:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
You're starting a thread as if your uncited quote is new when it is inIt was linked and discussed in the story you cited.You're generating clickbait from the DailyKos story you
mentioned with links to CNN?
Get Kos off your brain. They'd never allow that poll to be
posted.
Are you having thread dyslexia?
the DailyKos story.
Not where I linked it from and wasn't part of my discussion.Go read this you said and there it was: "A recent CNN article actually polled these “undecided” and shifty voters in the middle (including those from independents, DEMS and GOP) and of late there is a slight but scary shift back toward Trump. Much of that driven by disapproval of
Biden and his “image”."
The "DailyKos won't discuss it" was just extra.
Anyway, nice to see you whine about having to see the poll....twice.No, the complaint is yet another uncited argument, this time from an outlier.
Thread amnesia is Arny debating trade.
Biden's base is not crumbling and the media remains effectively pro-Trump.It's not the seventies anymore.If you want to understand what's really going on, as opposed
to cheerleading, ask yourself why Biden is getting the "But
her emails" media approach over his age.
You expect me to defend media? LoL. You're just upset that your
usual media defenders have changed their behavior.
It's not even 2022 anymore. I know you're slow to catch on....but
Biden's base is crumbling and media is looking for a way to avert
disaster. Bumping Biden out of the race is Step 1. I even think
Republicans are having 2nd thoughts about the inquiry due to his
collapse. Why save dems from themselves?
ROTFLMAO.....Media is pro-Trump! I think if that was polled it would sub 1%.Effectively pro-Trump. Reporters are way less liberal than you think and
the media isn't the reporters, it's the ownership and editorial control.
Take a look at the reporting about McCarthy's impeachment announcement.
How far do you have to read before it's mentioned there's no actual evidence?
Corporate media bends over backwards to privilege the right wing:
"But her emails."
LoL...that's the most delusional perception of reality I've seen
today. And I've been cruising some whacked message boards.
I've made my point.It's a commonplace mainstream observation.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2023/09/09/why-2024-might-be-2016-redux-00114869
"But there’s a creeping concern among Democrats that the overall gestalt
of a Biden-Trump rematch may not be so much 2020 as it is 2016.
...In this version of bedwetting, 2024 becomes another but-her-emails campaign
rather than another MAGA-and-choice campaign."
Vox guy:
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1701301644095291398
Whacked out:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/11/2192656/-Biden-s-age-is-the-but-her-emails-of-2024
Nate Silver denies it, therefore it's true:
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1701415079239926006
<snip>
Show me one meaningful comment on military cooperation in the eventThe point is to strengthen Vietnam's economy such that it will compete
of China invading Taiwan. There's nothing. Not even a joint
military exercise.
with China.
LMAO....
.1 vs 1.3 Billion.
You say the stupidest stuff.Nothing a stupid as ".1 vs 1.3 Billion" implying I meant Vietnam's
economy should be equal in size to China's. You were just calling for changing the US economy so it doesn't depend on China. That means
looking elsewhere to Vietnam, India, etc, as well as South Korea, Japan
and Taiwan.
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:00:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
You were just calling for changing the US economy so it doesn't
depend on China. That means looking elsewhere to Vietnam, India,
etc, as well as South Korea, Japan and Taiwan.
So you jumped on board to my original proposal. Took awhile. Now the
problem is Joe's to slow, like you.
Proposed? It's a 10 year old deal done under Obama and you don't20via
even know about it. That's how big it is.
Read the puff.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/09/11/joint-leaders-statement-elevating-united-states-vietnam-relations-to-a-comprehensive-strategic-partnership/#:~:text=Both%20sides%20intend%20to%20seek,of%20the%20two%20countries%
Show me one meaningful comment on military cooperation in the event
of China invading Taiwan. There's nothing. Not even a joint
military exercise.
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