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  • Joe so busted

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 20:53:39 2023
    According to DOJ, Ukraine had made sufficient progress in implementing anti-corruption reforms and deserved the loan. From Just The News:

    “Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee,” said an Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizing the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee (IPC), a task force created to advise the Obama White House on
    whether Ukraine was cleaning up its endemic corruption and deserved more Western foreign aid.

    The recommendation is one of several U.S. government memos gathered by Just the News over the last 36 months from Freedom of Information Act litigation, congressional inquiries, and government agency sources that directly conflict with the long-held
    narrative that Joe Biden was conducting official U.S. policy when he threatened to withhold a $1 billion U.S. loan guarantee to force Ukraine to fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, the country’s equivalent of the American attorney general.

    According to memos obtained by Just The News, Obama administration officials in the State Department had invited Shokin and his staff to Washington for a strategy session and had indicated they were “impressed” with his work. However, it was actually
    emissaries for Burisma who were pressuring U.S. officials to make corruption allegations against their company go away over concerns about potential bribery payments made to get Shokin off their back. The memos also show that a top U.S. official in Kyiv
    actually blamed Hunter Biden for undercutting U.S. anti-corruption policy in Ukraine because of what he was doing at Burisma.

    It’s very clear from the memos that when Joe Biden pressured Ukrainian officials to fire Shokin, he wasn’t acting on behalf of the administration, he was doing so to protect himself and his son Hunter, who allegedly were bribed five million each to
    protect Burisma.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Aug 29 07:08:57 2023
    On 8/28/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:

    It’s very clear from the memos that when Joe Biden pressured
    Ukrainian officials to fire Shokin, he wasn’t acting on behalf of the administration, he was doing so to protect himself and his son
    Hunter, who allegedly were bribed five million each to protect
    Burisma.

    No credible evidence of bribery and Shokin was forced out for not
    investigating Burisma among other things, a move welcomed by the US and
    the EU.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

    The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine's
    scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on
    corruption, even as the country's political crisis deepened over efforts
    to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.

    Ukraine's parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding
    the beleaguered prosecutor's office of a figure who is accused of
    blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying
    moves to root out graft.

    "This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the
    prosecutor general's office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will
    ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political
    influence and pressure and enjoys public trust," said Jan Tombinski, the
    EU's envoy to Ukraine.

    “There is still a lack of tangible results of investigations into
    serious cases . . . as well as investigations of high-level officials
    within the prosecutor general’s office,” he added.

    End quote.

    Biden had Ukraine replace a prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute Burisma
    with one who would.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 29 15:29:18 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    Biden had Ukraine replace a prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute Burisma
    with one who would.

    I think I know why poor Scottie keeps chomping this bone. The reason Biden
    took that action was to clear the way for his upcoming run for the White House. He knew he had nothing to hide, and he wanted that fact out in the open. Witless, however, cannot even conceive of a Democrat being innocent of wrongdoing. When Dumpster said he need an AG who would "protect" him
    the way Holder "protected" Obama, Witless knew exactly what Dumpy was saying. In Their world, no one is ever innocent, and everyone has to hide their "crimes".

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Tue Aug 29 18:51:43 2023
    On 8/29/23 5:29 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    Biden had Ukraine replace a prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute Burisma
    with one who would.

    I think I know why poor Scottie keeps chomping this bone. The reason Biden took that action was to clear the way for his upcoming run for the White House.
    He knew he had nothing to hide, and he wanted that fact out in the open. Witless, however, cannot even conceive of a Democrat being innocent of wrongdoing. When Dumpster said he need an AG who would "protect" him
    the way Holder "protected" Obama, Witless knew exactly what Dumpy was saying. In Their world, no one is ever innocent, and everyone has to hide their "crimes".

    The 'Biden in Ukraine' thing is the original sin of the Trump
    presidency, which led to his impeachment and showed his willingness to
    accept Russian help, so it must be redeemed!

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 09:10:31 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/28/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:

    It’s very clear from the memos that when Joe Biden pressured
    Ukrainian officials to fire Shokin, he wasn’t acting on behalf of the administration, he was doing so to protect himself and his son
    Hunter, who allegedly were bribed five million each to protect
    Burisma.
    No credible evidence of bribery

    LoL

    and Shokin was forced out for not
    investigating Burisma

    Hunter has bragged that Burisma collapse would have
    occurred earlier had it not been for the Bidens.

    Still show us these "investigations" and the results after
    Joe issued his "hand-off" extortion. There weren't any.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Aug 30 13:08:51 2023
    On 8/30/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/28/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:

    It’s very clear from the memos that when Joe Biden pressured
    Ukrainian officials to fire Shokin, he wasn’t acting on behalf of
    the administration, he was doing so to protect himself and his
    son Hunter, who allegedly were bribed five million each to
    protect Burisma.
    No credible evidence of bribery

    LoL

    An unverified FD-1023 from a dodgy source is not credible evidence.

    and Shokin was forced out for not investigating Burisma

    Hunter has bragged that Burisma collapse would have occurred earlier
    had it not been for the Bidens.

    Nonsense.

    Still show us these "investigations" and the results after Joe issued
    his "hand-off" extortion. There weren't any.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-burisma/ukraine-widens-probe-against-burisma-founder-to-embezzlement-of-state-funds-idUSKBN1XU2N7

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7707695/Ukraine-widens-probe-against-Burisma-founder-embezzlement-state-funds.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Zlochevsky#Investigations_into_Burisma_and_Zlochevsky

    "According to Ukrainian authorities Zlochevsky is suspected of "theft of government funds on an especially large scale".[35] Authorities said the criminal investigation on suspicion of embezzlement is currently on hold because Zlochevsky's whereabouts cannot presently be determined.[36] As
    of 2019, Zlochevsky is reported to live in Monaco.[37] According to an investigation by Al Jazeera he bought Cypriot citizenship somewhere
    between 2017 and 2019.[38]"

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 15:03:50 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:09:00 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/28/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:

    It’s very clear from the memos that when Joe Biden pressured
    Ukrainian officials to fire Shokin, he wasn’t acting on behalf of the administration, he was doing so to protect himself and his son
    Hunter, who allegedly were bribed five million each to protect
    Burisma.
    No credible evidence of bribery and Shokin was forced out for not investigating Burisma among other things, a move welcomed by the US and
    the EU.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

    The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine's
    scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on
    corruption, even as the country's political crisis deepened over efforts
    to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.

    Ukraine's parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding
    the beleaguered prosecutor's office of a figure who is accused of
    blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft.

    "This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general's office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political
    influence and pressure and enjoys public trust," said Jan Tombinski, the EU's envoy to Ukraine.

    “There is still a lack of tangible results of investigations into
    serious cases . . . as well as investigations of high-level officials
    within the prosecutor general’s office,” he added.

    End quote.

    Biden had Ukraine replace a prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute Burisma
    with one who would.

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Aug 31 19:20:32 2023
    On 8/31/23 5:03 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:09:00 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Biden had Ukraine replace a prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute Burisma
    with one who would.

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/03/devon-archer-transcript-biden/

    Hed: Devon Archer said the opposite of what Republicans claimed

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/04/us/politics/biden-devon-archer-testimony.html

    Hed: Key Witness Doesn’t Back Up G.O.P.’s Biggest Allegations on Bidens

    https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf

    Quoting the 2020 Grassley led investigation minority report:

    "Every witness interviewed for this investigation testified that Vice
    President Biden did not alter United States foreign policy to benefit
    his son Hunter Biden, and that Hunter Biden's presence on the board of
    the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy.
    "Every witness stated that Hunter Biden and his associates had no role
    in the formulation of U.S. policy, that Hunter Biden's role did not
    influence U.S. foreign policy decisions, and that Vice President Biden
    carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States.
    "The investigation's evidence, set forth in this Minority report,
    confirms there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part
    of" the Vice President."

    [Goldman questioning]

    Q So based on everything you saw, heard, and observed, did you have any knowledge of Joe Biden having any involvement with Burisma?
    A No -- not direct, no.
    Q No involvement of Joe --
    A No.
    Q -- Biden with Burisma.
    A No. My only thought is that I think Burisma would have gone out of
    business if it didn't have the brand attached to it. That's my, like,
    only honest opinion.

    [That's the source of Scott's comment about Biden keeping Burisma going longer.]

    Mr. Goldman. ... you said earlier that -- I believe the direct quote is
    that Burisma felt like they had Shokin under control.
    Mr. Archer. Correct.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you mean by that?
    Mr. Archer. That was like -- that was a narrative that was -- that was
    told to me by various of the D.C. team, that the firing of Shokin was
    bad for Burisma because he was under control.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you understand "under control" to mean?
    Mr. Archer. Meaning that they were going to maybe give a slap on the
    wrist as opposed to --
    Mr. Goldman. Okay.
    Mr. Archer. -- you know, seize all his assets.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 20:53:01 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:20:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:03 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, Au > >

    Quoting the 2020 Grassley led investigation minority report:

    "Every witness interviewed for this investigation testified that Vice President Biden did not alter United States foreign policy to benefit
    his son Hunter Biden, and that Hunter Biden's presence on the board of
    the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy. "Every witness stated that Hunter Biden and his associates had no role
    in the formulation of U.S. policy, that Hunter Biden's role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions, and that Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States.
    "The investigation's evidence, set forth in this Minority report,
    confirms there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part
    of" the Vice President."

    [Goldman questioning]

    Q So based on everything you saw, heard, and observed, did you have any knowledge of Joe Biden having any involvement with Burisma?
    A No -- not direct, no.
    Q No involvement of Joe --
    A No.
    Q -- Biden with Burisma.
    A No. My only thought is that I think Burisma would have gone out of business if it didn't have the brand attached to it. That's my, like,
    only honest opinion.

    [That's the source of Scott's comment about Biden keeping Burisma going longer.]

    Mr. Goldman. ... you said earlier that -- I believe the direct quote is
    that Burisma felt like they had Shokin under control.
    Mr. Archer. Correct.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you mean by that?
    Mr. Archer. That was like -- that was a narrative that was -- that was
    told to me by various of the D.C. team, that the firing of Shokin was
    bad for Burisma because he was under control.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you understand "under control" to mean?
    Mr. Archer. Meaning that they were going to maybe give a slap on the
    wrist as opposed to --
    Mr. Goldman. Okay.
    Mr. Archer. -- you know, seize all his assets.


    So?

    It's damning enough, and then there is also the whole pile of other evidence.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Sep 3 12:35:35 2023
    On 9/2/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:20:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Mr. Goldman. ... you said earlier that -- I believe the direct quote is
    that Burisma felt like they had Shokin under control.
    Mr. Archer. Correct.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you mean by that?
    Mr. Archer. That was like -- that was a narrative that was -- that was
    told to me by various of the D.C. team, that the firing of Shokin was
    bad for Burisma because he was under control.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you understand "under control" to mean?
    Mr. Archer. Meaning that they were going to maybe give a slap on the
    wrist as opposed to --
    Mr. Goldman. Okay.
    Mr. Archer. -- you know, seize all his assets.


    So?

    So Devon doesn't say what you think he says.

    It's damning enough, and then there is also the whole pile of other evidence.

    There's not a pile of other evidence.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 11:16:10 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    So Devon doesn't say what you think he says.
    It's damning enough, and then there is also the whole pile of other evidence.
    There's not a pile of other evidence.

    Poor scottie is disoriented...

    https://www.gocomics.com/mikeluckovich/2023/08/15

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 14:51:31 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:08:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/28/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Hunter has bragged that Burisma collapse would have occurred earlier
    had it not been for the Bidens.
    Nonsense.

    Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) said Devon Archer testified that Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company where he and Hunter Biden were board members, would have gone under sooner if it wasn’t for the “Biden brand” being involved.

    Perhaps you have a point. The Biden brand is really Joe...not Hunter.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Sep 3 19:50:18 2023
    On 9/3/23 4:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:08:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:09:00 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/28/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Hunter has bragged that Burisma collapse would have occurred
    earlier had it not been for the Bidens.
    Nonsense.

    Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) said Devon Archer testified that Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company where he and Hunter Biden were board
    members, would have gone under sooner if it wasn’t for the “Biden brand” being involved.

    Perhaps you missed where I quoted the actual testimony without filtering
    it through a J6 figure. Archer was speculating about the possible power
    of the Biden brand.

    It wasn't that strong a statement or that strong a case.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 23:30:04 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:20:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Mr. Goldman. ... you said earlier that -- I believe the direct quote is >> that Burisma felt like they had Shokin under control.
    Mr. Archer. Correct.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you mean by that?
    Mr. Archer. That was like -- that was a narrative that was -- that was
    told to me by various of the D.C. team, that the firing of Shokin was
    bad for Burisma because he was under control.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you understand "under control" to mean?
    Mr. Archer. Meaning that they were going to maybe give a slap on the
    wrist as opposed to --
    Mr. Goldman. Okay.
    Mr. Archer. -- you know, seize all his assets.


    So?
    So Devon doesn't say what you think he says.
    It's damning enough, and then there is also the whole pile of other evidence.
    There's not a pile of other evidence.

    damning emails andover $20 million received in Biden family owned LLC accounts.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Sep 7 07:35:58 2023
    On 9/7/23 1:30 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:20:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Mr. Goldman. ... you said earlier that -- I believe the direct quote is >>>> that Burisma felt like they had Shokin under control.
    Mr. Archer. Correct.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you mean by that?
    Mr. Archer. That was like -- that was a narrative that was -- that was >>>> told to me by various of the D.C. team, that the firing of Shokin was
    bad for Burisma because he was under control.
    Mr. Goldman. What did you understand "under control" to mean?
    Mr. Archer. Meaning that they were going to maybe give a slap on the
    wrist as opposed to --
    Mr. Goldman. Okay.
    Mr. Archer. -- you know, seize all his assets.


    So?
    So Devon doesn't say what you think he says.
    It's damning enough, and then there is also the whole pile of other evidence.
    There's not a pile of other evidence.

    damning emails andover $20 million received in Biden family owned LLC accounts.

    Biden family is not Joe Biden.

    Be sure to subtract boastful Ukrainian oligarch bribe claims.

    More Devon Archer:

    Q And so I think the point you're referring to is that in this document
    the confidential human source says he cannot opine to the veracity of
    the allegations and notes that it's not unusual for Ukrainian business executives to brag or show off.
    A Correct.
    Q Is that consistent with your understanding?
    A It's consistent of what I was just explaining in both directions.
    Q If someone were to conclude from this that this is evidence, this Form
    1023 is evidence that Joe Biden was bribed by Mykola Zlochevsky, would
    you disagree with that conclusion?
    A Yeah, I would.
    Q So in talking about how Zlochevsky and other Ukrainian businessmen brag --
    A -- Uh-huh.
    Q -- exaggerate, tell fibs, is that fair?
    A Yep, similar to D.C. operators.
    Q Similar to D.C. operators.
    In another sense, you know, is it fair to say that people in D.C. like
    to give off the impression of access that they don't necessarily
    actually deliver on?
    A Yep, correct. And in Ukraine, in Russia they brag about how much --
    they brag about bigger bribes than they actually give. So it's pretty
    kind of similar symbiosis there.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 22:48:11 2023
    bribe is a bribe is a bribe.
    Directing the payment to another family member
    is simply an act of concealment

    What did these family members do that is worth getting $20 million
    in compensation?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Sep 8 09:45:17 2023
    On 9/8/23 12:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    bribe is a bribe is a bribe.

    With an actual definition.

    Directing the payment to another family member is simply an act of concealment

    So I could bribe literally anyone else but it's really a bribe for Joe?

    What did these family members do that is worth getting $20 million in compensation?

    Assumes facts not in evidence. Go reread Archer: some of those payments
    are job compensation, equity funding, etc.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 21:33:07 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 10:45:20 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/8/23 12:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    bribe is a bribe is a bribe.
    With an actual definition.
    Directing the payment to another family member is simply an act of concealment
    So I could bribe literally anyone else but it's really a bribe for Joe?

    No. Literally a close family member.
    And remember. Joe has influence worth selling.
    Hunter, Jill, his brother, sister in law, his sister, they have
    no influence to sell.


    What did these family members do that is worth getting $20 million in compensation?

    Assumes facts not in evidence. Go reread Archer: some of those payments
    are job compensation, equity funding, etc.

    $20 million job compensation for joe's family members!!! Nice jobs they got there.
    And at any rate, the close family members of the VP should NOT be employed by foreign entities.
    aND AFA equity funding, whee did they get the millions to invest in these foreign entities.
    Whatabout he financial dosclosures?
    Whatabout registering as foreign agents.
    Whatabout the family corruption of of Joe Biden.
    You want to lay it all off Joe and pur it on his family.
    Well, then, they should all be tried and sentenced to prison terms.
    joe will have to manage his retirement without Jill to help him along.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 22:11:12 2023
    Assumes facts not in evidence. Go reread Archer: some of those payments
    are job compensation, equity funding, etc.

    Equities?

    What equities do the Biden family members hold in Eastern European entities?

    Have they reported this on their financial disclosures?
    OH!!!!! They are not required by law to file disclosures.
    That is exactly why Joe directed hos bribe money be sent to his relatives.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Sep 10 17:20:08 2023
    On 9/9/23 11:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 10:45:20 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/8/23 12:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    bribe is a bribe is a bribe.
    With an actual definition.
    Directing the payment to another family member is simply an act of
    concealment
    So I could bribe literally anyone else but it's really a bribe for Joe?

    No. Literally a close family member.
    And remember. Joe has influence worth selling.
    Hunter, Jill, his brother, sister in law, his sister, they have
    no influence to sell.

    Reread Devon on how Hunter sold the sizzle, not the steak.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Sep 10 17:22:46 2023
    On 9/10/23 12:11 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    > Assumes facts not in evidence. Go reread Archer: some of those payments
    are job compensation, equity funding, etc.

    Equities?

    What equities do the Biden family members hold in Eastern European entities?

    Has to do with that poorly researched list of LLCs the Jordan committee
    came up with.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 20:15:02 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/9/23 11:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 10:45:20 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/8/23 12:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    bribe is a bribe is a bribe.
    With an actual definition.
    Directing the payment to another family member is simply an act of
    concealment
    So I could bribe literally anyone else but it's really a bribe for Joe?

    No. Literally a close family member.
    And remember. Joe has influence worth selling.
    Hunter, Jill, his brother, sister in law, his sister, they have
    no influence to sell.
    Reread Devon on how Hunter sold the sizzle, not the steak.

    Your defense against charges of Hunter being an extortionist and bribe taker is that he is merely a scam artist selling influence he does not have.
    Therefore, all those payments his entities received would be criminal wire fraud.

    Good move Steve! Lucky for Hunter that you are not his attorney.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Sep 11 06:52:43 2023
    On 9/10/23 10:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/9/23 11:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 10:45:20 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/8/23 12:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    bribe is a bribe is a bribe.
    With an actual definition.
    Directing the payment to another family member is simply an act of
    concealment
    So I could bribe literally anyone else but it's really a bribe for Joe? >>>
    No. Literally a close family member.
    And remember. Joe has influence worth selling.
    Hunter, Jill, his brother, sister in law, his sister, they have
    no influence to sell.
    Reread Devon on how Hunter sold the sizzle, not the steak.

    Your defense against charges of Hunter being an extortionist and bribe taker is
    that he is merely a scam artist selling influence he does not have.

    It has the advantage of being true, except it's not a scam, it's sleaze.
    You'll find plenty of it in Washington: I hear someone from the previous administration shook down the Saudis for $2 billion.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 11 10:51:17 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:52:46 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/10/23 10:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/9/23 11:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 10:45:20 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/8/23 12:48 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    bribe is a bribe is a bribe.
    With an actual definition.
    Directing the payment to another family member is simply an act of >>>>> concealment
    So I could bribe literally anyone else but it's really a bribe for Joe? >>>
    No. Literally a close family member.
    And remember. Joe has influence worth selling.
    Hunter, Jill, his brother, sister in law, his sister, they have
    no influence to sell.
    Reread Devon on how Hunter sold the sizzle, not the steak.

    Your defense against charges of Hunter being an extortionist and bribe taker is
    that he is merely a scam artist selling influence he does not have.
    It has the advantage of being true, except it's not a scam, it's sleaze. You'll find plenty of it in Washington: I hear someone from the previous administration shook down the Saudis for $2 billion.

    I refer you to all 198 episodes of AMerican Greed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Greed_episodes

    Selling something you don't deliver on is a SCAM
    FRAUD!

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