On Standard DR, each billing period starts in Tier 1 with the lowest
priced energy. If you use more energy beyond your allotted baseline allowance, your pricing increases to Tier 2 for the remainder of the
billing cycle.
Tier 2 > 130% of baseline 57¢ per KwH Tier 1 Up to 130% of
baseline 45.2¢ per KwH
Prices effective June 1, 2023
Baseline allowance varies (as if that matters but they quote typical
as 382 KwH)
Don't worry....you all will soon be paying your "fair share" too.
On 7/26/23 11:59 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Standard DR, each billing period starts in Tier 1 with the lowest priced energy. If you use more energy beyond your allotted baseline allowance, your pricing increases to Tier 2 for the remainder of the billing cycle.
Tier 2 > 130% of baseline 57¢ per KwH Tier 1 Up to 130% of
baseline 45.2¢ per KwH
Prices effective June 1, 2023
Baseline allowance varies (as if that matters but they quote typical
as 382 KwH)
Don't worry....you all will soon be paying your "fair share" too.Fun!
Inside City of Austin Rates: Four-Tier Rate Structure
Austin Energy has a four-tier rate structure that allows those with
lower use to have lower rates — and thus lower bills. You can conserve electricity by modifying your energy use or by making energy efficiency improvements to your home.
Austin Energy Residential Electric Rates
Billing Components Inside Residential
Customer Charge ($ per month) $13.00
Energy Charge (¢ per kWh)
Tier 1: 0 – 300 kWh 4.100¢
Tier 2: 301 – 900 kWh 5.100¢
Tier 3: 901 – 2,000 kWh 7.307¢
Tier 4: > 2,000 kWh 10.564¢
Power Supply Adjustment(¢ per kWh) 4.371¢
Community Benefit Charges (¢ per kWh)
Customer Assistance Program 0.154¢
Service Area Street Lighting 0.124¢
Energy Efficiency Programs 0.238¢
Regulatory Charge (¢ per kWh) 1.491¢
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:02:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/26/23 11:59 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Standard DR, each billing period starts in Tier 1 with the lowestFun!
priced energy. If you use more energy beyond your allotted baseline
allowance, your pricing increases to Tier 2 for the remainder of the
billing cycle.
Tier 2 > 130% of baseline 57¢ per KwH Tier 1 Up to 130% of
baseline 45.2¢ per KwH
Prices effective June 1, 2023
Baseline allowance varies (as if that matters but they quote typical
as 382 KwH)
Don't worry....you all will soon be paying your "fair share" too.
Inside City of Austin Rates: Four-Tier Rate Structure
Austin Energy has a four-tier rate structure that allows those with
lower use to have lower rates — and thus lower bills. You can conserve
electricity by modifying your energy use or by making energy efficiency
improvements to your home.
Austin Energy Residential Electric Rates
Billing Components Inside Residential
Customer Charge ($ per month) $13.00
Energy Charge (¢ per kWh)
Tier 1: 0 – 300 kWh 4.100¢
Tier 2: 301 – 900 kWh 5.100¢
Tier 3: 901 – 2,000 kWh 7.307¢
Tier 4: > 2,000 kWh 10.564¢
Power Supply Adjustment(¢ per kWh) 4.371¢
Community Benefit Charges (¢ per kWh)
Customer Assistance Program 0.154¢
Service Area Street Lighting 0.124¢
Energy Efficiency Programs 0.238¢
Regulatory Charge (¢ per kWh) 1.491¢
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.
And I didn't even include the BS charges like grid connection, taxes and the other stuff.
And I didn't even include the BS charges like grid connection, taxes and the other stuff.Yes, bills can be annoying.
mINE109 wrote:
And I didn't even include the BS charges like grid connection, taxes and the other stuff.Yes, bills can be annoying.
Capitalism is perfect.
On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:02:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/26/23 11:59 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Standard DR, each billing period starts in Tier 1 with the lowestFun!
priced energy. If you use more energy beyond your allotted baseline
allowance, your pricing increases to Tier 2 for the remainder of the
billing cycle.
Tier 2 > 130% of baseline 57¢ per KwH Tier 1 Up to 130% of
baseline 45.2¢ per KwH
Prices effective June 1, 2023
Baseline allowance varies (as if that matters but they quote typical
as 382 KwH)
Don't worry....you all will soon be paying your "fair share" too.
Inside City of Austin Rates: Four-Tier Rate Structure
Austin Energy has a four-tier rate structure that allows those with
lower use to have lower rates — and thus lower bills. You can conserve >> electricity by modifying your energy use or by making energy efficiency >> improvements to your home.
Austin Energy Residential Electric Rates
Billing Components Inside Residential
Customer Charge ($ per month) $13.00
Energy Charge (¢ per kWh)
Tier 1: 0 – 300 kWh 4.100¢
Tier 2: 301 – 900 kWh 5.100¢
Tier 3: 901 – 2,000 kWh 7.307¢
Tier 4: > 2,000 kWh 10.564¢
Power Supply Adjustment(¢ per kWh) 4.371¢
Community Benefit Charges (¢ per kWh)
Customer Assistance Program 0.154¢
Service Area Street Lighting 0.124¢
Energy Efficiency Programs 0.238¢
Regulatory Charge (¢ per kWh) 1.491¢
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green. Yes, I pay it.
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:26:24 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green.
Yes, I pay it.
How much is the cost of your lameass virtue signaling?
And the real question.....at 50c/KwH...would you pay it?
On 7/27/23 12:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:26:24 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green. >> Yes, I pay it.
How much is the cost of your lameass virtue signaling?What was that new syndrome you made up? CREWD?
And the real question.....at 50c/KwH...would you pay it?I looked for "lameass virtue signaling" at the power company site and
found no results.
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:clean Texas wind.
On 7/27/23 12:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:26:24 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:What was that new syndrome you made up? CREWD?
On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green. >>>> Yes, I pay it.
How much is the cost of your lameass virtue signaling?
And the real question.....at 50c/KwH...would you pay it?I looked for "lameass virtue signaling" at the power company site and
found no results.
Never mind, I looked it up myself.
GreenChoice residential customers pay an additional $0.0075 (3/4 of one penny) per kilowatt-hour (kWh) to choose Texas wind. Join other Austin Energy residential customers who add about $7.50 to their monthly bills (based on 1,000 kWh usage) to support
Now explain the difference between your rates and SDGE? Good luck.
On 7/27/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:support clean Texas wind.
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/27/23 12:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:26:24 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:What was that new syndrome you made up? CREWD?
On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green.
Yes, I pay it.
How much is the cost of your lameass virtue signaling?
And the real question.....at 50c/KwH...would you pay it?I looked for "lameass virtue signaling" at the power company site and
found no results.
Never mind, I looked it up myself.
GreenChoice residential customers pay an additional $0.0075 (3/4 of one penny) per kilowatt-hour (kWh) to choose Texas wind. Join other Austin Energy residential customers who add about $7.50 to their monthly bills (based on 1,000 kWh usage) to
Now explain the difference between your rates and SDGE? Good luck.I don't know how the units compare. Both say KwH but the amounts don't appear comparable unless you really are paying a rate ten times higher,
in which case, God bless you.
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:support clean Texas wind.
On 7/27/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/27/23 12:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:26:24 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:What was that new syndrome you made up? CREWD?
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green.
Yes, I pay it.
How much is the cost of your lameass virtue signaling?
And the real question.....at 50c/KwH...would you pay it?I looked for "lameass virtue signaling" at the power company site and >> found no results.
Never mind, I looked it up myself.
GreenChoice residential customers pay an additional $0.0075 (3/4 of one penny) per kilowatt-hour (kWh) to choose Texas wind. Join other Austin Energy residential customers who add about $7.50 to their monthly bills (based on 1,000 kWh usage) to
What have I been f'ing telling you for the past year you blithering moron? We are the canary in the coal mine when it comes to utility rates. Wake the fuck up.Now explain the difference between your rates and SDGE? Good luck.I don't know how the units compare. Both say KwH but the amounts don't appear comparable unless you really are paying a rate ten times higher,
in which case, God bless you.
It's coming to you too, sooner or later.
ScottW
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:support clean Texas wind.
On 7/27/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/27/23 12:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:26:24 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:What was that new syndrome you made up? CREWD?
On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green. >>>>>> Yes, I pay it.
How much is the cost of your lameass virtue signaling?
And the real question.....at 50c/KwH...would you pay it?I looked for "lameass virtue signaling" at the power company site and
found no results.
Never mind, I looked it up myself.
GreenChoice residential customers pay an additional $0.0075 (3/4 of one penny) per kilowatt-hour (kWh) to choose Texas wind. Join other Austin Energy residential customers who add about $7.50 to their monthly bills (based on 1,000 kWh usage) to
I don't know how the units compare. Both say KwH but the amounts don't
Now explain the difference between your rates and SDGE? Good luck.
appear comparable unless you really are paying a rate ten times higher,
in which case, God bless you.
What have I been f'ing telling you for the past year you blithering moron?
We are the canary in the coal mine when it comes to utility rates. Wake the fuck up.
It's coming to you too, sooner or later.
mINE109 wrote:
And I didn't even include the BS charges like grid connection, taxes and the other stuff.Yes, bills can be annoying.
Capitalism is perfect.
Capitalism is perfect.There is no perfect economic system.
But we know this:
Marxism is perfectly awful.
On 7/27/23 4:40 PM, ScottW wrote:support clean Texas wind.
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/27/23 11:00 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:13:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/27/23 12:11 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:26:24 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/26/23 12:15 PM, ScottW wrote:What was that new syndrome you made up? CREWD?
You're obviously not paying your fair share to go green.That's the standard rate list, not my bill. There's an add-on for green.
Yes, I pay it.
How much is the cost of your lameass virtue signaling?
And the real question.....at 50c/KwH...would you pay it?I looked for "lameass virtue signaling" at the power company site and >>>> found no results.
Never mind, I looked it up myself.
GreenChoice residential customers pay an additional $0.0075 (3/4 of one penny) per kilowatt-hour (kWh) to choose Texas wind. Join other Austin Energy residential customers who add about $7.50 to their monthly bills (based on 1,000 kWh usage) to
I don't know how the units compare. Both say KwH but the amounts don't
Now explain the difference between your rates and SDGE? Good luck.
appear comparable unless you really are paying a rate ten times higher, >> in which case, God bless you.
What have I been f'ing telling you for the past year you blithering moron?You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
you're going to pay
for new construction no matter what kind it will be.
That, and you won't admit natural gas prices affect your electricity cost.
Since you won't defend your outrage, I'll look a different direction...
https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/average-electric-bill-in-california
Table 1. Average monthly bill for single-family detached homes in California:
Utility Rate plan Average rate Monthly cost
SDG&E DR Domestic $0.444 $446
Austin electricity is about $150 on average but I couldn't find a source
as good as the CA above.
We are the canary in the coal mine when it comes to utility rates. Wake the fuck up.No, you have special problems due to geography, climate and existing infrastructure.
It's coming to you too, sooner or later.
And renewables are already here:
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-republican-war-on-renewable-energy/
With ample wind and sunshine, a business-friendly regulatory regime, and state-backed construction of new high-voltage transmission wires, Texas quickly became the nation’s renewable-energy leader. It reached the two-gigawatt goal by 2005 and has since met even more ambitious benchmarks.
The state produces more wind and solar power today than the next three states (California, Iowa, and Oklahoma) combined, and that lead is growing...
One recent estimate found that renewables lowered the cost of
electricity to Texans by $11 billion last year, or $423 for every
customer served by the state’s predominant power grid.
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on
renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
Wrong
you're going to pay for new construction no matter what kind it
will be.
It'd be cheaper to convert the nat gas and coal to nuclear with
existing transmission lines.
That, and you won't admit natural gas prices affect your
electricity cost.
That peanuts. A percentage of the last years increase.
We've been getting 5 to 10% annually for the last 20 years as they go green.
That one blip on the rates of one year is tiny piece of the 10x more
I'm paying than you.
We are the canary in the coal mine when it comes to utilityNo, you have special problems due to geography, climate and
rates. Wake the fuck up. It's coming to you too, sooner or
later.
existing infrastructure.
You're going to soon be facing the same problems
And renewables are already here:
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-republican-war-on-renewable-energy/
Yeah...you genius have put in so much capacity they have to tell 'em
to turn it off to prevent overloading the grid. Who is bearing the
cost of that unused but installed capacity? You may not yet, but you will...sooner or later.
The state produces more wind and solar power today than the next
three states (California, Iowa, and Oklahoma) combined, and that
lead is growing...
One recent estimate found that renewables lowered the cost of
electricity to Texans by $11 billion last year, or $423 for every
customer served by the state’s predominant power grid.
Another estimate....mine found that renewables without all the BS
subsidies artificially lowering rates while hitting consumers
secretly in other areas is raising costs.
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on
renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
WrongIf we decarbonize, that will happen.
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:If we decarbonize, that will happen.
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on
renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
Wrong
Well the big IF presumption.
But we could have put in small scale nukes and avoided the massive costs
of storage and transmission.
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:If we decarbonize, that will happen.
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on
renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
Wrong
Well the big IF presumption.
But we could have put in small scale nukes and avoided the massive costs of storage and transmission.There's nothing stopping you from proposing this.
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:There's nothing stopping you from proposing this.
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:If we decarbonize, that will happen.
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on
renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
Wrong
Well the big IF presumption.
But we could have put in small scale nukes and avoided the massive costs >>> of storage and transmission.
Nothing but the whole stupid dem party and their green bootlicking
economy crushing, homeless creating stupidity.
microgrid paywalled.
On 7/29/23 12:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:There's nothing stopping you from proposing this.
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:If we decarbonize, that will happen.
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on
renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
Wrong
Well the big IF presumption.
But we could have put in small scale nukes and avoided the massive costs >>> of storage and transmission.
Nothing but the whole stupid dem party and their green bootlickingShouldn't stop a hero like you.
economy crushing, homeless creating stupidity.
microgrid paywalled.
Figure out the reader mode hack.
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 12:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Shouldn't stop a hero like you.
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:There's nothing stopping you from proposing this.
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:If we decarbonize, that will happen.
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on
renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced,
Wrong
Well the big IF presumption.
But we could have put in small scale nukes and avoided the massive costs >>>>> of storage and transmission.
Nothing but the whole stupid dem party and their green bootlicking
economy crushing, homeless creating stupidity.
microgrid paywalled.
Figure out the reader mode hack.
Tried it....it sucks.
On 7/29/23 6:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 12:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Shouldn't stop a hero like you.
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:There's nothing stopping you from proposing this.
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:51:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>If we decarbonize, that will happen.
You've been complaining about rate rises and blaming them on >>>>>>>> renewables. Since your carbon plants will have to be replaced, >>>>>>>Wrong
Well the big IF presumption.
But we could have put in small scale nukes and avoided the massive costs
of storage and transmission.
Nothing but the whole stupid dem party and their green bootlicking
economy crushing, homeless creating stupidity.
microgrid paywalled.
Figure out the reader mode hack.
Tried it....it sucks.I never thought you'd be unable to work a browser. Many prefer the
reader view for its unobscured view of the text and lack of ads, popups, etc.
Works fine on Safari and Firefox.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:13:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 6:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 12:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
I never thought you'd be unable to work a browser. Many prefer themicrogrid paywalled.
Figure out the reader mode hack.
Tried it....it sucks.
reader view for its unobscured view of the text and lack of ads,
popups, etc.
Works fine on Safari and Firefox.
Latest edge doesn't show the reader icon anymore, only the read aloud
which really sucks. Keyboard shortcut still works though.
But I can't believe you're endorsing microgrids for the City of San
Diego facilities.
They're in effect dumping the utility and going to self-generation
via a deal with Shell. They're leaving the average consumer to eat
the debts taken on by SDGE.
This is exactly what I told you rich people would do if taxed heavily for a grid connection. They'll go
off grid and do what the city is doing. Full self-sufficiency. How
is this a good thing for the rest of SDGE customers?
On 7/30/23 5:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:13:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 6:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 12:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
I never thought you'd be unable to work a browser. Many prefer themicrogrid paywalled.
Figure out the reader mode hack.
Tried it....it sucks.
reader view for its unobscured view of the text and lack of ads,
popups, etc.
Works fine on Safari and Firefox.
Latest edge doesn't show the reader icon anymore, only the read aloud which really sucks. Keyboard shortcut still works though.The "latest edge"? Sorry, not familiar... Okay, Microsoft. Always the
leader in user-friendliness. MS Support suggest "F9," your keyboard shortcut.
But I can't believe you're endorsing microgrids for the City of SanI can't believe that "How about microgrids" constitute an endorsement.
Diego facilities.
They're in effect dumping the utility and going to self-generationThe story says Shell is paying and recouping through power sales.
via a deal with Shell. They're leaving the average consumer to eat
the debts taken on by SDGE.
This is exactly what I told you rich people would do if taxed heavily for a grid connection. They'll goYes, the California public-private utility system has problems. That's
off grid and do what the city is doing. Full self-sufficiency. How
is this a good thing for the rest of SDGE customers?
why I make the remarks that set Art off such as "capitalism won't solve climate change."
On 7/30/23 5:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:13:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 6:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/29/23 12:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
I never thought you'd be unable to work a browser. Many prefer themicrogrid paywalled.
Figure out the reader mode hack.
Tried it....it sucks.
reader view for its unobscured view of the text and lack of ads,
popups, etc.
Works fine on Safari and Firefox.
Latest edge doesn't show the reader icon anymore, only the read aloud which really sucks. Keyboard shortcut still works though.The "latest edge"? Sorry, not familiar... Okay, Microsoft. Always the
leader in user-friendliness. MS Support suggest "F9," your keyboard shortcut.
But I can't believe you're endorsing microgrids for the City of SanI can't believe that "How about microgrids" constitute an endorsement.
Diego facilities.
They're in effect dumping the utility and going to self-generationThe story says Shell is paying and recouping through power sales.
via a deal with Shell. They're leaving the average consumer to eat
the debts taken on by SDGE.
This is exactly what I told you rich people would do if taxed heavily for a grid connection. They'll goYes, the California public-private utility system has problems. That's
off grid and do what the city is doing. Full self-sufficiency. How
is this a good thing for the rest of SDGE customers?
why I make the remarks that set Art off such as "capitalism won't solve climate change."
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:00:46 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Yes, the California public-private utility system has problems. That's
why I make the remarks that set Art off such as "capitalism won't solve
climate change."
Specifically, that's NOT what set me off. Because that is not what you said. Actually, Capitalism won't solve climate change.
If it exists at all, it is unsolvable, and certainly
not solvable in the context of any particular economic system.
The only solution, if any, or climate change, if any, is
either the elimination or abject suffering of the human race.
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 6:00:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/30/23 5:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:13:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:The "latest edge"? Sorry, not familiar... Okay, Microsoft. Always
On 7/29/23 6:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/29/23 12:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109
wrote:
On 7/29/23 11:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:43:09 AM UTC-7,
mINE109 wrote:
On 7/28/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
I never thought you'd be unable to work a browser. Many prefermicrogrid paywalled.
Figure out the reader mode hack.
Tried it....it sucks.
the reader view for its unobscured view of the text and lack of
ads, popups, etc.
Works fine on Safari and Firefox.
Latest edge doesn't show the reader icon anymore, only the read
aloud which really sucks. Keyboard shortcut still works though.
the leader in user-friendliness. MS Support suggest "F9," your
keyboard shortcut.
But I can't believe you're endorsing microgrids for the City ofI can't believe that "How about microgrids" constitute an
San Diego facilities.
endorsement.
You accused me of endorsing for just linking stuff.
They're in effect dumping the utility and going toThe story says Shell is paying and recouping through power sales.
self-generation>>> via a deal with Shell. They're leaving the
average consumer to eat the debts taken on by SDGE.
Exactly. Shell makes money but SDGE is out.
This is exactly what I told you rich people would do if taxedYes, the California public-private utility system has problems.
heavily for a grid connection. They'll go off grid and do what
the city is doing. Full self-sufficiency. How is this a good
thing for the rest of SDGE customers?
That's why I make the remarks that set Art off such as "capitalism
won't solve climate change."
The public utility system is not a very good example of capitalism.
It's got more deviations than compliances with capitalism IMO.
On 7/31/23 10:37 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:00:46 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Yes, the California public-private utility system has problems. That's
why I make the remarks that set Art off such as "capitalism won't solve >> climate change."
Specifically, that's NOT what set me off. Because that is not what you said.Climate change exists and it's anthropogenic.
Actually, Capitalism won't solve climate change.
If it exists at all, it is unsolvable, and certainly
not solvable in the context of any particular economic system.
The only solution, if any, or climate change, if any, isI'd rather try my solution of decarbonizing. No action is likelier to
either the elimination or abject suffering of the human race.
lead to your apocalyptic vision than making changes.
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:58:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/31/23 10:37 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:00:46 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Climate change exists and it's anthropogenic.
Yes, the California public-private utility system has problems.
That's why I make the remarks that set Art off such as
"capitalism won't solve climate change."
Specifically, that's NOT what set me off. Because that is not
what you said. Actually, Capitalism won't solve climate change.
If it exists at all, it is unsolvable, and certainly not solvable
in the context of any particular economic system.
The only solution, if any, or climate change, if any, is eitherI'd rather try my solution of decarbonizing. No action is likelier
the elimination or abject suffering of the human race.
to lead to your apocalyptic vision than making changes.
Your solution already has failed. I saw a study that even scrubbing
the atmosphere of Co2 won't start to reduce temps for 200 years.
Oceans are already hot and they'll keep things hot for a long time.
On 7/31/23 6:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:58:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/31/23 10:37 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:00:46 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Climate change exists and it's anthropogenic.
Yes, the California public-private utility system has problems.
That's why I make the remarks that set Art off such as
"capitalism won't solve climate change."
Specifically, that's NOT what set me off. Because that is not
what you said. Actually, Capitalism won't solve climate change.
If it exists at all, it is unsolvable, and certainly not solvable
in the context of any particular economic system.
The only solution, if any, or climate change, if any, is eitherI'd rather try my solution of decarbonizing. No action is likelier
the elimination or abject suffering of the human race.
to lead to your apocalyptic vision than making changes.
Your solution already has failed. I saw a study that even scrubbingWell, so long as you're not personally inconvenienced...
the atmosphere of Co2 won't start to reduce temps for 200 years.
Oceans are already hot and they'll keep things hot for a long time.
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