• VP is outed as Liar

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 23 20:49:49 2023
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by
    @charlescwcooke
    and I encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/
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    Kevin Tober
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    .@ScottJenningsKY slams Kamala Harris for buying into the lie that Florida is teaching students that there were good things about slavery: "She can read something on Twitter one day and be on an airplane the next to make something literally out of
    nothing."

    If you want to see how twisted the history of slavery has become look at the economy of Benin where slavery tourism is feeding people who would otherwise be unemployed and hungry.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/an-african-country-reckons-with-its-history-of-selling-slaves/2018/01/29/5234f5aa-ff9a-11e7-86b9-8908743c79dd_story.html

    Since 1991, when Benin transitioned from a dictatorship to a democracy, the history of slavery has mostly been presented as a means of luring Western tourists.

    "People here are trying to find work. They are trying to eat. They are surprised when they see tourists who come looking for their identity," said José Pliya, the president's adviser for tourism.

    And don't even try to claim I'm defending slavery you dumb P'sOS.
    Reality is many of those sold as slaves by rival black tribes in Africa would have been killed if there was no slave trade. It's simply the bitter truth of inhumanity to man. I'll let you try to claim the right to judge they'd be better off dead. I'm
    not ever going to claim that credential.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jul 24 07:09:13 2023
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I encourage
    anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in
    there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 24 11:02:24 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it
    https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant
    of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 24 11:01:14 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:09:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/
    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in
    there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.


    It is one sentence in 261 pages of curriculum.

    She IS lying in saying that the curriculum teaches that slavery was a benefit, because she
    removes the massive amount of opposite teachings. She didn't just say its 'in there'.
    she says it is the underlying principle. That is the BIG LIE.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jul 24 12:24:58 2023
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it
    https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant
    of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?

    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 24 10:21:05 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/
    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in
    there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jul 24 14:04:23 2023
    On 7/24/23 1:01 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:09:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I encourage
    anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it
    https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/
    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in
    there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.


    It is one sentence in 261 pages of curriculum.

    That's why I believe it's valid to discuss context.

    She IS lying in saying that the curriculum teaches that slavery was a benefit, because she
    removes the massive amount of opposite teachings. She didn't just say its 'in there'.
    she says it is the underlying principle. That is the BIG LIE.

    SS.68.AA.2.3:

    “Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation).

    Benchmark Clarifications:
    Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some
    instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”

    Examining context, one senses a dilution of the the problems of American chattel slavery

    SS.912.AA.1.1
    "Examine the condition of slavery as it existed in Africa, Asia, the
    Americas and Europe prior to 1619."

    SS.912.AA.1.2
    "Analyze the development of labor systems using indentured servitude
    contracts with English settlers and Africans early in Jamestown, Virginia."

    As you say, there's a lot more. The other problematic statement is here:

    SS.912.AA.3.6
    "Describe the emergence, growth, destruction and rebuilding of black communities during Reconstruction and beyond.

    Clarification 2: Instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated
    against and by African Americans but is not limited to 1906 Atlanta Race
    Riot, 1919 Washington, D.C. Race Riot, 1920 Ocoee Massacre, 1921 Tulsa
    Massacre and the 1923 Rosewood Massacre."

    "[A]gainst and by"?

    And:

    SS.912.AA.4.10
    "Identify key legislation and the politicians and political figures who advanced American equality and representative democracy.

    Clarification 1: Instruction includes political figures who shaped the
    modern Civil Rights efforts (e.g., Arthur Allen Fletcher, President
    Dwight D. Eisenhower, President John F. Kennedy, President Lyndon B.
    Johnson, President Richard Nixon, Senator Everett Dirksen, Mary McLeod
    Bethune, Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Representative John Lewis)."

    Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell wrote on civil rights issues but can
    hardly be said to have "shaped modern Civil Rights efforts."

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 24 14:15:56 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it
    https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant
    of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 24 14:17:58 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:01 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:09:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I encourage >>> anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it
    https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/
    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in
    there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.


    It is one sentence in 261 pages of curriculum.
    That's why I believe it's valid to discuss context.
    She IS lying in saying that the curriculum teaches that slavery was a benefit, because she
    removes the massive amount of opposite teachings. She didn't just say its 'in there'.
    she says it is the underlying principle. That is the BIG LIE.
    SS.68.AA.2.3:

    “Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation).

    Benchmark Clarifications:
    Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some
    instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”

    Examining context, one senses a dilution of the the problems of American chattel slavery

    SS.912.AA.1.1
    "Examine the condition of slavery as it existed in Africa, Asia, the Americas and Europe prior to 1619."

    SS.912.AA.1.2
    "Analyze the development of labor systems using indentured servitude contracts with English settlers and Africans early in Jamestown, Virginia."

    As you say, there's a lot more. The other problematic statement is here:

    SS.912.AA.3.6
    "Describe the emergence, growth, destruction and rebuilding of black communities during Reconstruction and beyond.

    Clarification 2: Instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated
    against and by African Americans but is not limited to 1906 Atlanta Race Riot, 1919 Washington, D.C. Race Riot, 1920 Ocoee Massacre, 1921 Tulsa Massacre and the 1923 Rosewood Massacre."

    "[A]gainst and by"?

    And:

    SS.912.AA.4.10
    "Identify key legislation and the politicians and political figures who advanced American equality and representative democracy.

    Clarification 1: Instruction includes political figures who shaped the modern Civil Rights efforts (e.g., Arthur Allen Fletcher, President
    Dwight D. Eisenhower, President John F. Kennedy, President Lyndon B. Johnson, President Richard Nixon, Senator Everett Dirksen, Mary McLeod Bethune, Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Representative John Lewis)."

    Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell wrote on civil rights issues but can
    hardly be said to have "shaped modern Civil Rights efforts."

    I'll respond to your incessant picayune chety picking.
    My only problem with those two in the list is that they are not politicians
    or political figures.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jul 25 09:03:30 2023
    On 7/24/23 4:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:01 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell wrote on civil rights issues but can
    hardly be said to have "shaped modern Civil Rights efforts."

    I'll respond to your incessant picayune chety picking.
    My only problem with those two in the list is that they are not politicians or political figures.

    You're not bothered their contributions to the subject post-date the
    civil rights era? By decades?

    While we're at it, Truman contributed more to civil rights by
    integrating the military than did Eisenhower, defending Brown aside.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jul 25 08:57:55 2023
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592

    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it
    https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you
    say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant
    of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?

    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is outside of
    that discussion.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jul 25 12:04:27 2023
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from Africa,
    according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be talking about
    slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!

    No, that standard is all yours.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 09:59:48 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592 >>>>>>>
    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it >>>>>>> https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you >>>>>> say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant >>>>> of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?
    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is outside of
    that discussion.

    Benin is an ancestry.
    As slaves had their ancestries from Africa, according to your looney standards, we
    shouldn't be talking about slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 10:11:02 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from Africa, according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be talking about
    slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.
    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry
    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.
    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign, if you go back long enough.
    Your ancestry is foreign.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 11:22:25 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:57:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592 >>>>>>>
    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it >>>>>>> https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you >>>>>> say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant >>>>> of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?
    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is outside of
    that discussion.

    Stephen's white boy perception of black history stops at the US border.

    Pretty f'in pathetic and actually quite racist.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jul 25 14:51:23 2023
    On 7/25/23 12:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from Africa,
    according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be talking about
    slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.

    Again, that's your standard, not mine and your argument is mere
    name-calling.

    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry

    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the
    Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"

    That's not an example of anything.

    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/

    "The true number of slaves born in the United States may have been as
    low as 8.4 million or as high as 10.3 million."

    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign, if you go back long enough.
    Your ancestry is foreign.

    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 14:40:35 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:51:26 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 12:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from Africa,
    according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be talking about
    slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.
    Again, that's your standard, not mine and your argument is mere name-calling.
    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry
    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the
    Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"
    That's not an example of anything.
    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/

    "The true number of slaves born in the United States may have been as
    low as 8.4 million or as high as 10.3 million."
    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign, if you go back long enough.
    Your ancestry is foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    Hmmm....begs the question....should American descendants of foreign slaves receive reparations?
    If not....how xenophobic are you?

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 16:00:36 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:51:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 12:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from Africa,
    according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be talking about
    slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.
    Again, that's your standard, not mine and your argument is mere name-calling.
    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry
    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the
    Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"
    That's not an example of anything.
    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/

    "The true number of slaves born in the United States may have been as
    low as 8.4 million or as high as 10.3 million."
    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign, if you go back long enough.
    Your ancestry is foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    You most certainly questioned ancestry of one American.
    So, you needed reminding about all Americans..
    Its inclusive
    "Inclusive", ever hear of that word before?
    Do i need to explain inclusivity to you.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jul 26 09:29:07 2023
    On 7/25/23 4:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:51:26 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 12:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from
    Africa, according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be
    talking about slaves at all, when talking about US
    slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.
    Again, that's your standard, not mine and your argument is mere
    name-calling.
    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry
    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or
    the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?" That's not an
    example of anything.
    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/

    "The true number of slaves born in the United States may have been
    as low as 8.4 million or as high as 10.3 million."
    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign,
    if you go back long enough. Your ancestry is foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    Hmmm....begs the question....should American descendants of foreign
    slaves receive reparations? If not....how xenophobic are you?

    Xenophobia = not demanding reparations from foreign countries?

    Never mind "begging the question," a phrase often used incorrectly in an
    effort to sound smart.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jul 26 09:44:07 2023
    On 7/25/23 6:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:51:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 12:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from Africa,
    according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be talking about
    slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.
    Again, that's your standard, not mine and your argument is mere
    name-calling.
    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry
    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the
    Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"
    That's not an example of anything.
    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/

    "The true number of slaves born in the United States may have been as
    low as 8.4 million or as high as 10.3 million."
    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign, if you go back long enough.
    Your ancestry is foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    You most certainly questioned ancestry of one American.

    Really? Who? Is this a Trumpian Obama birth certificate thing?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jul 26 16:03:20 2023
    On 7/26/23 3:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:44:10 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 6:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is
    foreign, except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry
    is foreign, if you go back long enough. Your ancestry is
    foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    You most certainly questioned ancestry of one American.
    Really? Who? Is this a Trumpian Obama birth certificate thing?

    You fucking IDIOT, MORON, IMBECILE, LYING ASSHOLE

    The person who Scott mentioned and who's you qlegutimacy you
    questooned based on his ancestry

    Scott didn't mention anyone. Do I have to quote again?

    MA, you are one fucking SCUMBAG LYING PILE OF SHIT you keep getting
    even worse, day by day. I have absolutely NO respect for you . None
    at all. I used to, but not anymore.

    If telling the truth leads to the loss of your respect, I can live with
    that.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 13:57:22 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:44:10 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 6:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:51:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 12:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from Africa, >>>>> according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be talking about >>>>> slaves at all, when talking about US slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.
    Again, that's your standard, not mine and your argument is mere
    name-calling.
    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry
    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the
    Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"
    That's not an example of anything.
    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/

    "The true number of slaves born in the United States may have been as
    low as 8.4 million or as high as 10.3 million."
    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign, if you go back long enough.
    Your ancestry is foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    You most certainly questioned ancestry of one American.
    Really? Who? Is this a Trumpian Obama birth certificate thing?

    You fucking IDIOT, MORON, IMBECILE, LYING ASSHOLE

    The person who Scott mentioned and who's you qlegutimacy you questooned
    based on his ancestry

    MA, you are one fucking SCUMBAG LYING PILE OF SHIT
    you keep getting even worse, day by day.
    I have absolutely NO respect for you . None at all.
    I used to, but not anymore.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 16:34:16 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    MA, you are one fucking SCUMBAG LYING PILE OF SHIT you keep getting
    even worse, day by day. I have absolutely NO respect for you . None
    at all. I used to, but not anymore.
    If telling the truth leads to the loss of your respect, I can live with
    that.

    Is "MA" short for Massa?

    Perhaps Sackschmuck is channeling his inner cotton-picker.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 21:18:02 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592 >>>>>>>
    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it >>>>>>> https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you >>>>>> say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant >>>>> of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?
    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is outside of
    that discussion.


    Totally off point
    He wasn't discussing Benin. Just mentioned that someone might have had an ancestor from there

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 21:20:01 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:03:23 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 3:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:44:10 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 6:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is
    foreign, except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry
    is foreign, if you go back long enough. Your ancestry is
    foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    You most certainly questioned ancestry of one American.
    Really? Who? Is this a Trumpian Obama birth certificate thing?

    You fucking IDIOT, MORON, IMBECILE, LYING ASSHOLE

    The person who Scott mentioned and who's you qlegutimacy you
    questooned based on his ancestry
    Scott didn't mention anyone. Do I have to quote again?
    MA, you are one fucking SCUMBAG LYING PILE OF SHIT you keep getting
    even worse, day by day. I have absolutely NO respect for you . None
    at all. I used to, but not anymore.
    If telling the truth leads to the loss of your respect, I can live with that.


    I have caught you in so many lies already. There is no truth about you

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 22:34:33 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 7:29:10 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 4:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:51:26 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 12:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:04:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Benin is an ancestry. As slaves had their ancestries from
    Africa, according to your looney standards, we shouldn't be
    talking about slaves at all, when talking about US
    slavery!!!!
    No, that standard is all yours.

    Then your standard is blatant hypocrisy and complete nonsense.
    Again, that's your standard, not mine and your argument is mere
    name-calling.
    Scott's example was of foreign ancestry
    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or
    the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?" That's not an
    example of anything.
    US slaves' ancestries were foreign.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7716878/

    "The true number of slaves born in the United States may have been
    as low as 8.4 million or as high as 10.3 million."
    I need to remind you that EVERY American's ancestry is foreign,
    except for Native Americans, and even their ancestry is foreign,
    if you go back long enough. Your ancestry is foreign.
    Why do you need to do that? None of that has been questioned.

    Hmmm....begs the question....should American descendants of foreign
    slaves receive reparations? If not....how xenophobic are you?
    Xenophobia = not demanding reparations from foreign countries?

    More like Xenophobia = not providing reparations to descendants of slaves from foreign countries.


    Never mind "begging the question," a phrase often used incorrectly in an effort to sound smart.

    I've long found that "sounding smart" is not helpful in communicating with you.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jul 27 09:08:18 2023
    On 7/26/23 11:18 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin decent
    negates Scott's point?
    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is
    outside of that discussion.


    Totally off point He wasn't discussing Benin. Just mentioned that
    someone might have had an ancestor from there

    No, he didn't. It looks like I do have to quote again:

    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the
    Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"

    No identification of a specific person. Sorry if I don't understand your
    secret Fox code.

    BTW, "they're lucky they were brought to America" has been a
    justification for slavery since Antebellum times.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jul 27 09:10:11 2023
    On 7/27/23 12:34 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 7:29:10 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 4:40 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Hmmm....begs the question....should American descendants of foreign
    slaves receive reparations? If not....how xenophobic are you?
    Xenophobia = not demanding reparations from foreign countries?

    More like Xenophobia = not providing reparations to descendants of slaves from foreign countries.

    If you wish to propose limiting reparations to only descendants of
    US-born enslaved, go ahead.

    Never mind "begging the question," a phrase often used incorrectly in an
    effort to sound smart.

    I've long found that "sounding smart" is not helpful in communicating with you.

    Yes, indeed. Plain, understandable speech is to be preferred.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 28 09:56:00 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:09:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/23/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1683142566508654592 >>>>>>>
    The analysis I referenced was done by @charlescwcooke and I
    encourage anyone who wants the truth of this story to read it >>>>>>> https://nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-is-brazenly-lying-about-floridas-slavery-curriculum/

    No, she's not. The 'slavery benefiting slaves' thing is literally in there. And there are other problems.

    You can discuss the curriculum in context but you're wrong if you >>>>>> say she's lying.

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant >>>>> of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?
    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is outside of
    that discussion.


    He was not talking about' Benin. He only remarked that a person's ancestors were from Benin.
    You are being completely ridiculous.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jul 28 12:37:25 2023
    On 7/28/23 11:56 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant >>>>>>> of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?
    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is outside of
    that discussion.


    He was not talking about' Benin. He only remarked that a person's ancestors were from Benin.
    You are being completely ridiculous.

    I've quoted him twice and you can see it above. He did not do that. He
    has not identified a person or their ancestry or related it to the
    Florida educational curriculum.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 28 21:55:30 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/28/23 11:56 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:57:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 4:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/24/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Try this context. Would you rather be the Black American descendant >>>>>>> of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?
    I forget: when was Benin admitted to the Union?

    What difference does that make?

    Exactly.


    Not nearly

    Scott, explain yourself.

    explain your comment. why do you imply that being of Benin
    decent negates Scott's point?
    Scott didn't make a point.

    We're discussing part of the history of US slavery. Benin is outside of >> that discussion.


    He was not talking about' Benin. He only remarked that a person's ancestors were from Benin.
    You are being completely ridiculous.
    I've quoted him twice and you can see it above. He did not do that. He
    has not identified a person or their ancestry or related it to the
    Florida educational curriculum.

    In which one of the 31 previous posts have you quoted him twice??
    I will quote him once.

    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"
    You haven't answered his question.


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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jul 29 07:28:38 2023
    On 7/28/23 11:55 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/28/23 11:56 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    He was not talking about' Benin. He only remarked that a person's ancestors were from Benin.
    You are being completely ridiculous.
    I've quoted him twice and you can see it above. He did not do that. He
    has not identified a person or their ancestry or related it to the
    Florida educational curriculum.

    In which one of the 31 previous posts have you quoted him twice??

    Well-played!

    I will quote him once.

    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"

    That's the quote. It was not a remark, it doesn't identify a person and
    has nothing to do with your other replies.

    You haven't answered his question.

    I replied.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 29 12:02:06 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 8:28:41 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/28/23 11:55 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/28/23 11:56 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    He was not talking about' Benin. He only remarked that a person's ancestors were from Benin.
    You are being completely ridiculous.
    I've quoted him twice and you can see it above. He did not do that. He
    has not identified a person or their ancestry or related it to the
    Florida educational curriculum.

    In which one of the 31 previous posts have you quoted him twice??
    Well-played!
    I will quote him once.

    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"
    That's the quote. It was not a remark, it doesn't identify a person and
    has nothing to do with your other replies.
    You haven't answered his question.
    I replied.

    You reply to everything..............and say absolutely nothing.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 29 12:46:10 2023
    What substance, exactly, shield Sackturd's pathetic, misfiring "mind"
    from reality?

    You reply to everything..............and say absolutely nothing.

    You babble constantly........................................... and continually reveal
    you understand absolutely nothing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jul 29 15:48:02 2023
    On 7/29/23 2:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 8:28:41 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/28/23 11:55 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/28/23 11:56 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    He was not talking about' Benin. He only remarked that a person's ancestors were from Benin.
    You are being completely ridiculous.
    I've quoted him twice and you can see it above. He did not do that. He >>>> has not identified a person or their ancestry or related it to the
    Florida educational curriculum.

    In which one of the 31 previous posts have you quoted him twice??
    Well-played!
    I will quote him once.

    "Would you rather be the Black American descendant of a slave or the Black Benin descendant of a slave trader?"
    That's the quote. It was not a remark, it doesn't identify a person and
    has nothing to do with your other replies.
    You haven't answered his question.
    I replied.

    You reply to everything..............and say absolutely nothing.

    That's kind of selective. I cite plenty of something, as Gershwin didn't
    write.

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