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  • And while we're at it....the crazy side....

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 2 20:44:41 2023
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old goat a freeking genius.

    But this path is fraught with peril including initiating the exact disaster the writer (Peter Oland who I have no clue what his qualifications are for endorsing such a plan) seeks to avoid. Given Joe's reluctance to endorse the raid on Bin Laden, a
    far less perilous effort, I can't him see him ever doing this unless he thought it was his only hope to save his sorry ass from defeat.

    A sad reason to risk other's lives.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jul 2 21:16:39 2023
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:44:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old goat a freeking genius.



    Not with Blinken, Sullivan, Afghanistan fiasco.

    Better to threaten Russia with bombing one of their nuclear plants, preferably close to one of their major cities. And follow through it if we have to.

    Or negotiate, Send Kamala on a road trip in a yellow school bus. Dazzle Putin with
    Venn diagrams and her silly giggles.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jul 3 10:59:57 2023
    On 7/2/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old
    goat a freeking genius.

    But this path is fraught with peril including initiating the exact
    disaster the writer (Peter Oland who I have no clue what his
    qualifications are for endorsing such a plan) seeks to avoid.
    Given Joe's reluctance to endorse the raid on Bin Laden, a far less
    perilous effort, I can't him see him ever doing this unless he
    thought it was his only hope to save his sorry ass from defeat.

    A sad reason to risk other's lives.

    "The Delta Force unit would go in first using the same stealth
    helicopters used in the Bin Laden mission and secure the vital points?

    What could go wrong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jul 3 09:06:59 2023
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:44:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old goat a freeking genius.

    Not with Blinken, Sullivan, Afghanistan fiasco.

    Better to threaten Russia with bombing one of their nuclear plants, preferably
    close to one of their major cities. And follow through it if we have to.

    Now that's even crazier IMO. Let's have 2 radiological disasters and put ourselves
    on the same moral plane as Putin.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jul 3 09:10:36 2023
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:44:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old goat a freeking genius.

    Not with Blinken, Sullivan, Afghanistan fiasco.

    Better to threaten Russia with bombing one of their nuclear plants, preferably
    close to one of their major cities. And follow through it if we have to.
    Now that's even crazier IMO. Let's have 2 radiological disasters and put ourselves
    on the same moral plane as Putin.

    ScottW

    HAVE THE COURTESY TO ALLOW ME MY MOMENTS OF ANGER AND RETRIBUTION.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jul 3 09:11:41 2023
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:44:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old goat a freeking genius.

    Not with Blinken, Sullivan, Afghanistan fiasco.

    Better to threaten Russia with bombing one of their nuclear plants, preferably
    close to one of their major cities. And follow through it if we have to.
    Now that's even crazier IMO. Let's have 2 radiological disasters and put ourselves
    on the same moral plane as Putin.

    ScottW

    have the courtesy to allow me my moments of anger and retribution.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 09:13:54 2023
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:59:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/2/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old
    goat a freeking genius.

    But this path is fraught with peril including initiating the exact disaster the writer (Peter Oland who I have no clue what his qualifications are for endorsing such a plan) seeks to avoid.
    Given Joe's reluctance to endorse the raid on Bin Laden, a far less perilous effort, I can't him see him ever doing this unless he
    thought it was his only hope to save his sorry ass from defeat.

    A sad reason to risk other's lives.
    "The Delta Force unit would go in first using the same stealth
    helicopters used in the Bin Laden mission and secure the vital points?

    What could go wrong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

    I'd hope we'd have some better and more reliable equipment than 50 years ago.

    My next question....where would such a mission originate from?
    A NATO country? Would Russia respond by attacking the base and
    this insanity forces an Article 5 debate? I doubt all of NATO would be willing
    to get dragged into a conflict we started and NATO ends up being the casualty. My next question would be....could we even bring forth such a plan to NATO for approval without tipping the Russians?

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jul 3 09:13:07 2023
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:10:38 PM UTC-4, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:44:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old goat a freeking genius.

    Not with Blinken, Sullivan, Afghanistan fiasco.

    Better to threaten Russia with bombing one of their nuclear plants, preferably
    close to one of their major cities. And follow through it if we have to.
    Now that's even crazier IMO. Let's have 2 radiological disasters and put ourselves
    on the same moral plane as Putin.

    ScottW
    HAVE THE COURTESY TO ALLOW ME MY MOMENTS OF ANGER AND RETRIBUTION.

    Sorry I accidently locked my caps, when i saw it, i went to change my caps button and accidently sent the message.

    Old fumbly thumbs signing off

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jul 3 11:32:55 2023
    On 7/3/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:59:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/2/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/2/2178831/-The-United-States-should-secure-the-Zaporizhzhia-Nuclear-Power-Plant

    If Joe pulled this off with minimal casualties....I'd call the old
    goat a freeking genius.

    But this path is fraught with peril including initiating the exact
    disaster the writer (Peter Oland who I have no clue what his
    qualifications are for endorsing such a plan) seeks to avoid.
    Given Joe's reluctance to endorse the raid on Bin Laden, a far less
    perilous effort, I can't him see him ever doing this unless he
    thought it was his only hope to save his sorry ass from defeat.

    A sad reason to risk other's lives.
    "The Delta Force unit would go in first using the same stealth
    helicopters used in the Bin Laden mission and secure the vital points?

    What could go wrong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

    I'd hope we'd have some better and more reliable equipment than 50 years ago.

    My next question....where would such a mission originate from?
    A NATO country? Would Russia respond by attacking the base and
    this insanity forces an Article 5 debate? I doubt all of NATO would be willing
    to get dragged into a conflict we started and NATO ends up being the casualty.
    My next question would be....could we even bring forth such a plan to NATO for
    approval without tipping the Russians?

    All good considerations. The vulnerability of the power plant is
    especially acute following the Russian sabotage of the Kakhovka Dam.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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