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  • Wagner PMC crackup reported.

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 25 19:00:29 2023
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 25 19:35:52 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:00:31 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW

    How were Russian planes destroyed yesterday?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 25 20:08:39 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:00:31 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW
    How were Russian planes destroyed yesterday?

    Wagner has multiple types of SAM systems as well as some attack helicopters.

    Here's some video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfkkLFKyB4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap92NFArdp8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAjJv12cvg

    and a good article.

    https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/wagner-forces-shoot-down-russian-aircraft

    "Wagner forces are reportedly equipped with several air defense systems, including Pantsir-S1 and Strela S-10 in addition to Igla MANPADS. "

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 25 20:16:39 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:08:41 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:00:31 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW
    How were Russian planes destroyed yesterday?
    Wagner has multiple types of SAM systems as well as some attack helicopters.

    Here's some video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfkkLFKyB4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap92NFArdp8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAjJv12cvg

    and a good article.

    https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/wagner-forces-shoot-down-russian-aircraft

    "Wagner forces are reportedly equipped with several air defense systems, including Pantsir-S1 and Strela S-10 in addition to Igla MANPADS. "

    ScottW

    Nice, but this is what I want clarified.

    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday. "

    What and why? Why are Wagner pilots upset at how the enemy's planes were destroyed?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 25 20:38:47 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:08:41 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:00:31 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW
    How were Russian planes destroyed yesterday?
    Wagner has multiple types of SAM systems as well as some attack helicopters.

    Here's some video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfkkLFKyB4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap92NFArdp8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAjJv12cvg

    and a good article.

    https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/wagner-forces-shoot-down-russian-aircraft

    "Wagner forces are reportedly equipped with several air defense systems, including Pantsir-S1 and Strela S-10 in addition to Igla MANPADS. "

    ScottW
    Nice, but this is what I want clarified.
    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday. "
    What and why? Why are Wagner pilots upset at how the enemy's planes were destroyed?

    https://www.google.com/

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 26 09:00:31 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:08:41 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:00:31 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW
    How were Russian planes destroyed yesterday?
    Wagner has multiple types of SAM systems as well as some attack helicopters.

    Here's some video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfkkLFKyB4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap92NFArdp8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAjJv12cvg

    and a good article.

    https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/wagner-forces-shoot-down-russian-aircraft

    "Wagner forces are reportedly equipped with several air defense systems, including Pantsir-S1 and Strela S-10 in addition to Igla MANPADS. "

    ScottW
    Nice, but this is what I want clarified.
    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday. "
    What and why? Why are Wagner pilots upset at how the enemy's planes were destroyed?
    https://www.google.com/

    ScottW

    You made a statement, didn't back it up, didn't provide a link, and provided no context.
    Then refer me to Google.

    Its simple. Just explain what you meant by :
    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday."

    I read a lot of news. Never saw any articles about this.
    What were you talking about?
    I'm interested to know.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 09:14:06 2023
    If you look closely, you can sometimes find a Shmoo dingleberry
    lurking in the customary bucket of slop and slime.

    I read a lot of news.

    As everyone suspected, your problem is comprehension. FYI, education is meaningless if you don't LEARN anything. The way you yammer, getting
    papered at some prestigious school is no more meaningful than the
    blue ribbon awarded to some sow at a county fair in farm country.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 26 16:42:36 2023
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:08:41 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:00:31 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW
    How were Russian planes destroyed yesterday?
    Wagner has multiple types of SAM systems as well as some attack helicopters.

    Here's some video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfkkLFKyB4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap92NFArdp8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAjJv12cvg

    and a good article.

    https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/wagner-forces-shoot-down-russian-aircraft

    "Wagner forces are reportedly equipped with several air defense systems, including Pantsir-S1 and Strela S-10 in addition to Igla MANPADS. "

    ScottW
    Nice, but this is what I want clarified.
    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday. "
    What and why? Why are Wagner pilots upset at how the enemy's planes were destroyed?
    https://www.google.com/

    ScottW
    You made a statement, didn't back it up, didn't provide a link, and provided no context.

    I copied and linked a tweet.
    Now you expect me to be responsible for the content of the tweet?


    Then refer me to Google.

    Yup. What do you think you'll find it put the statement in question in a google search?
    2nd Item....the source tweet which I had already linked but you can't find.

    Its simple. Just explain what you meant by :
    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday."

    Not my words, it's the words of Gerashchenko, Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.


    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 26 20:28:57 2023
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 7:42:37 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:16:40 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:08:41 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:00:31 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672918703946571776

    1. In Wagner PMC, a split has reportedly started between those who felt used and those who remained loyal to Prigozhin after the failed rebellion.

    2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday.

    More speculation on the impact of the "coup".

    One aspect unmentioned is who will maintain control of Wagner mercs in Africa? That's where they really make money providing security to companies who are plundering natural resources there.

    ScottW
    How were Russian planes destroyed yesterday?
    Wagner has multiple types of SAM systems as well as some attack helicopters.

    Here's some video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfkkLFKyB4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap92NFArdp8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOAjJv12cvg

    and a good article.

    https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/wagner-forces-shoot-down-russian-aircraft

    "Wagner forces are reportedly equipped with several air defense systems, including Pantsir-S1 and Strela S-10 in addition to Igla MANPADS. "

    ScottW
    Nice, but this is what I want clarified.
    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday. "
    What and why? Why are Wagner pilots upset at how the enemy's planes were destroyed?
    https://www.google.com/

    ScottW
    You made a statement, didn't back it up, didn't provide a link, and provided no context.
    I copied and linked a tweet.
    Now you expect me to be responsible for the content of the tweet?
    Then refer me to Google.
    Yup. What do you think you'll find it put the statement in question in a google search?
    2nd Item....the source tweet which I had already linked but you can't find.

    Its simple. Just explain what you meant by :
    "2. Combat pilots reportedly quit Wagner PMC due to their disagreement with the way planes and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were destroyed yesterday."
    Not my words, it's the words of Gerashchenko, Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.



    Well, you posted it, so i'm thinking maybe you know what he meant.
    If you don't know, why post it?

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