• Upper atmosphere cooling

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 18 09:35:14 2023
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/the-upper-atmosphere-is-cooling-prompting-new-climate-concerns/ar-AA1cHYZC

    No mention of how this more rapid cooling above must have an influence on the rate and amount of warming belowing.

    There's no wall of insulation between these layers and basics of heat transfer will still apply. Heat will flow to the cooler layers above and the amount of warming below will be reduced as a result.
    They did model this cooling...but not to this extent.

    The science remains....unsettled.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 18 14:16:19 2023
    On 6/18/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/the-upper-atmosphere-is-cooling-prompting-new-climate-concerns/ar-AA1cHYZC

    No mention of how this more rapid cooling above must have an
    influence on the rate and amount of warming belowing.

    That's in the study itself:

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2300758120

    There's also a link to "Sudden Stratospheric Warmings":

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2020RG000708

    You'll understand the "Global-Mean Removal" test better than I do.

    There's no wall of insulation between these layers and basics of heat transfer will still apply. Heat will flow to the cooler layers above
    and the amount of warming below will be reduced as a result. They did
    model this cooling...but not to this extent.

    The science remains....unsettled.

    "This paradox has long been predicted by climate modelers, but only
    recently quantified in detail by satellite sensors. The new findings are providing a definitive confirmation on one important issue, but at the
    same time raising other questions."

    Looks like the science was on the right track. Why do you imply it's bad
    to find a stronger effect when improved observations are made? It's not
    like science only gets one measurement.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 18 13:11:31 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:16:23 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/the-upper-atmosphere-is-cooling-prompting-new-climate-concerns/ar-AA1cHYZC

    No mention of how this more rapid cooling above must have an
    influence on the rate and amount of warming belowing.
    That's in the study itself:

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2300758120

    There's also a link to "Sudden Stratospheric Warmings":

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2020RG000708

    You'll understand the "Global-Mean Removal" test better than I do.
    There's no wall of insulation between these layers and basics of heat transfer will still apply. Heat will flow to the cooler layers above
    and the amount of warming below will be reduced as a result. They did model this cooling...but not to this extent.

    The science remains....unsettled.
    "This paradox has long been predicted by climate modelers, but only
    recently quantified in detail by satellite sensors. The new findings are providing a definitive confirmation on one important issue, but at the
    same time raising other questions."

    Looks like the science was on the right track. Why do you imply it's bad
    to find a stronger effect when improved observations are made? It's not
    like science only gets one measurement.

    We should all escape to specially designed modules, and live in the cold upper atmosphere,
    to escape global warmings. we can get there by buliding a railroad across the sky.

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