• Joe's nightmare just got worse

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 11:08:16 2023
    Burisma Holdings founder Mykola Zlochevsky, who allegedly paid a total of $10 million in bribes to Joe and Hunter Biden in 2015 and 2016 in exchange for then-Vice President Joe Biden’s assistance in getting Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin fired, is
    believed to be an asset of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) by the United States intelligence community, according to a national security source


    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 11:53:41 2023
    The source of the disputed info is a Russian asset? And that's bad for Biden's credibility? Are you sure how this works?


    when you run a criminal enterprise, your cohorts are usually other criminals.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jun 14 13:29:30 2023
    On 6/14/23 1:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Burisma Holdings founder Mykola Zlochevsky, who allegedly paid a
    total of $10 million in bribes to Joe and Hunter Biden in 2015 and
    2016 in exchange for then-Vice President Joe Biden’s assistance in
    getting Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin fired, is believed to be
    an asset of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) by the United States intelligence community, according to a national security
    source

    The source of the disputed info is a Russian asset? And that's bad for
    Biden's credibility? Are you sure how this works?

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/ukraine-impeachment-trump-journalism-yanukovych/

    ... And then there’s Burisma, the once-obscure natural gas company at
    the center of Trump’s obsessive efforts to damage former Vice President
    Joe Biden. Here, too, all roads lead to Yanukovych, explains Dmytro
    Gnap, a former editor-in-chief of Slidstvo who helped to expose the
    firm’s tax evasion. As Yanukovych’s minister of ecology, and during a previous government stint, Burisma head Mykola Zlochevsky had awarded
    his own company lucrative drilling licenses at heavily discounted
    prices. After Britain’s Serious Fraud Office and other investigators
    started looking into his maneuvers, Zlochevsky set out to recruit high-­profile international figures to serve on his board. “He was
    trying to legitimize the company,” says Gnap. The recruits included
    Hunter Biden, who received up to $50,000 per month, according to the New
    York Times, for lending his name.

    Giuliani and Trump’s claim that then–Vice President Biden demanded the firing of Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation into Burisma drives journalists like Gnap and Leshchenko
    crazy. In reality, they say, Biden wanted the government to get rid of
    Shokin, who was refusing to cooperate with the Burisma inquiries.
    Leshchenko told me there is a domestic investigation still looking into Zlochevsky’s self-dealing, but it does not have to do with whether Biden improperly pressured Kyiv to lay off. Nevertheless, the Ukrainians do
    not look kindly upon the younger Biden. “What you can say about Hunter
    Biden is that he took money stolen from the Ukrainian people,” Gnap says.

    Shortly before I got to Kyiv, Giuliani had left Ukraine after a
    whirlwind visit with a correspondent for One America News in search of
    more dirt to muddy the Trump impeachment investigations. His sources,
    reported the Kyiv Post, “were the same resentful former prosecutors and several lawmakers of questionable repute.” For Kaleniuk, the
    anti-corruption campaigner, this story was getting to be wearily
    familiar. “We are seeing,” she says, “the performance of a Kremlin disinformation campaign.”

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 14:42:56 2023
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 11:29:35 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 1:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Burisma Holdings founder Mykola Zlochevsky, who allegedly paid a
    total of $10 million in bribes to Joe and Hunter Biden in 2015 and
    2016 in exchange for then-Vice President Joe Biden’s assistance in getting Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin fired, is believed to be
    an asset of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) by the United States intelligence community, according to a national security
    source
    The source of the disputed info is a Russian asset? And that's bad for Biden's credibility? Are you sure how this works?

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/ukraine-impeachment-trump-journalism-yanukovych/

    Mother Jones? You should actually fork up for a better cable package.

    ... And then there’s Burisma, the once-obscure natural gas company at
    the center of Trump’s obsessive efforts to damage former Vice President Joe Biden. Here, too, all roads lead to Yanukovych, explains Dmytro
    Gnap, a former editor-in-chief of Slidstvo who helped to expose the
    firm’s tax evasion. As Yanukovych’s minister of ecology, and during a previous government stint, Burisma head Mykola Zlochevsky had awarded
    his own company lucrative drilling licenses at heavily discounted
    prices. After Britain’s Serious Fraud Office and other investigators started looking into his maneuvers, Zlochevsky set out to recruit high-­profile international figures to serve on his board. “He was
    trying to legitimize the company,” says Gnap. The recruits included
    Hunter Biden, who received up to $50,000 per month, according to the New York Times, for lending his name.

    Giuliani and Trump’s claim that then–Vice President Biden demanded the firing of Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation into Burisma drives journalists like Gnap and Leshchenko crazy. In reality, they say, Biden wanted the government to get rid of Shokin, who was refusing to cooperate with the Burisma inquiries.
    Leshchenko told me there is a domestic investigation still looking into Zlochevsky’s self-dealing, but it does not have to do with whether Biden improperly pressured Kyiv to lay off. Nevertheless, the Ukrainians do
    not look kindly upon the younger Biden. “What you can say about Hunter Biden is that he took money stolen from the Ukrainian people,” Gnap says.

    Shortly before I got to Kyiv, Giuliani had left Ukraine after a
    whirlwind visit with a correspondent for One America News in search of
    more dirt to muddy the Trump impeachment investigations. His sources, reported the Kyiv Post, “were the same resentful former prosecutors and several lawmakers of questionable repute.” For Kaleniuk, the anti-corruption campaigner, this story was getting to be wearily
    familiar. “We are seeing,” she says, “the performance of a Kremlin disinformation campaign.”

    Wow....another Russian disinfo. Is this one for real real or just another wanna be
    real? Who is really performing for who? I think you're the audience now.

    Anyway, in Joe's own words....where's the money? They'll find it.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 15 09:08:34 2023
    On 6/14/23 1:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    The source of the disputed info is a Russian asset? And that's bad for
    Biden's credibility? Are you sure how this works?


    when you run a criminal enterprise, your cohorts are usually other criminals.

    I did see the reference to Giuliani and "the same resentful former
    prosecutors and several lawmakers of questionable repute.”

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jun 15 09:20:20 2023
    On 6/14/23 4:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 11:29:35 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 1:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Burisma Holdings founder Mykola Zlochevsky, who allegedly paid a
    total of $10 million in bribes to Joe and Hunter Biden in 2015 and
    2016 in exchange for then-Vice President Joe Biden’s assistance in
    getting Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin fired, is believed to be
    an asset of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) by the United
    States intelligence community, according to a national security
    source
    The source of the disputed info is a Russian asset? And that's bad for
    Biden's credibility? Are you sure how this works?

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/ukraine-impeachment-trump-journalism-yanukovych/

    Mother Jones? You should actually fork up for a better cable package.

    Respected journalism, a concept foreign to you.

    Shortly before I got to Kyiv, Giuliani had left Ukraine after a
    whirlwind visit with a correspondent for One America News in search of
    more dirt to muddy the Trump impeachment investigations. His sources,
    reported the Kyiv Post, “were the same resentful former prosecutors and
    several lawmakers of questionable repute.” For Kaleniuk, the
    anti-corruption campaigner, this story was getting to be wearily
    familiar. “We are seeing,” she says, “the performance of a Kremlin
    disinformation campaign.”

    Wow....another Russian disinfo. Is this one for real real or just another wanna be
    real? Who is really performing for who? I think you're the audience now.

    It's the same one ongoing. There was a report:

    https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/ICA-declass-16MAR21.pdf

    Foreign Threats to the 2020 US Federal Elections

    Russian state media, trolls, and online proxies, including those
    directed by Russian intelligence, published disparaging content about
    President Biden, his family, and the Democratic Party, and heavily
    amplified related content circulating in US media, including stories
    centered on his son. These influence actors frequently sought out US contributors to increase their reach into US audiences.

    Russian online influence actors generally promoted former President
    Trump and his commentary, including repeating his political messaging on
    the election results; the presidential campaign; debates; the
    impeachment inquiry; and, as the election neared, US domestic crises.
    Influence actors sometimes sought to discourage US left-leaning
    audiences from voting by suggesting that neither candidate was a
    preferable option.

    End quote.

    Anyway, in Joe's own words....where's the money? They'll find it.

    Sometimes absence of proof is proof of absence.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 15 11:27:43 2023
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:20:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 4:42 PM, ScottW wrote:


    Sometimes absence of proof is proof of absence.

    Only after a thorough investigation.
    You would agree that we need a thorough investigation.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 15 13:38:45 2023
    On 6/15/23 1:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:20:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 4:42 PM, ScottW wrote:


    Sometimes absence of proof is proof of absence.

    Only after a thorough investigation.
    You would agree that we need a thorough investigation.

    The DoJ has been investigating Hunter for years.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/09/hunter-bidens-taxes-under-investigation-u-s-attorneys-office/3869793001/

    "The investigation was launched in 2018, a year before his father
    announced his candidacy for the presidency, but it isn’t clear which
    entities might be tied up in the probe, the Associated Press reported."

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 10:07:03 2023
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:38:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:20:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 4:42 PM, ScottW wrote:


    Sometimes absence of proof is proof of absence.

    Only after a thorough investigation.
    You would agree that we need a thorough investigation.
    The DoJ has been investigating Hunter for years.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/09/hunter-bidens-taxes-under-investigation-u-s-attorneys-office/3869793001/

    "The investigation was launched in 2018, a year before his father
    announced his candidacy for the presidency, but it isn’t clear which entities might be tied up in the probe, the Associated Press reported."


    Did I hear you say Joe?

    NO!!!!!

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 16 13:44:00 2023
    On 6/16/23 12:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:38:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:20:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 4:42 PM, ScottW wrote:


    Sometimes absence of proof is proof of absence.

    Only after a thorough investigation.
    You would agree that we need a thorough investigation.
    The DoJ has been investigating Hunter for years.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/09/hunter-bidens-taxes-under-investigation-u-s-attorneys-office/3869793001/

    "The investigation was launched in 2018, a year before his father
    announced his candidacy for the presidency, but it isn’t clear which
    entities might be tied up in the probe, the Associated Press reported."


    Did I hear you say Joe?

    NO!!!!!

    The allegation is Joe and Hunter were bribed at the same time by the
    same man.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 13:35:54 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:44:02 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/16/23 12:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:38:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:20:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 4:42 PM, ScottW wrote:


    Sometimes absence of proof is proof of absence.

    Only after a thorough investigation.
    You would agree that we need a thorough investigation.
    The DoJ has been investigating Hunter for years.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/09/hunter-bidens-taxes-under-investigation-u-s-attorneys-office/3869793001/

    "The investigation was launched in 2018, a year before his father
    announced his candidacy for the presidency, but it isn’t clear which
    entities might be tied up in the probe, the Associated Press reported."


    Did I hear you say Joe?

    NO!!!!!
    The allegation is Joe and Hunter were bribed at the same time by the
    same man.

    Oh! They get to share a cell.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 16:19:36 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 11:44:02 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/16/23 12:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:38:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:20:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 4:42 PM, ScottW wrote:


    Sometimes absence of proof is proof of absence.

    Only after a thorough investigation.
    You would agree that we need a thorough investigation.
    The DoJ has been investigating Hunter for years.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/09/hunter-bidens-taxes-under-investigation-u-s-attorneys-office/3869793001/

    "The investigation was launched in 2018, a year before his father
    announced his candidacy for the presidency, but it isn’t clear which
    entities might be tied up in the probe, the Associated Press reported."


    Did I hear you say Joe?

    NO!!!!!
    The allegation is Joe and Hunter were bribed at the same time by the
    same man.

    Hunter was just part of the payoff. As they say....you can't away with paying just one Biden.

    ScottW

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