Found ChatGP, didja?
Found ChatGP, didja?
All I see is your inability to defend your defense of Hamas.
On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:12:14 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Found ChatGP, didja?
What are you babbling about?
All I see is your inability to defend your defense of Hamas.
Because its indefensible
On 6/13/23 10:48 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:12:14 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Found ChatGP, didja?
What are you babbling about?Your format and diction are novel, uncharacteristic and artificial.
All I see is your inability to defend your defense of Hamas.Yes, as I said, you're trying to frame the argument so that any
Because its indefensible
opposition is indefensible.
And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses in your argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the governing body of Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore rejecting any diplomatic or political solution to their ongoing problems.
And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses in your argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the governing body of Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore rejecting any diplomatic or political solution to their ongoing problems.
Hamas [sic] entire doctrine and premise for being
is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with Israel.
If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly be removed
from power as they not only don't know how to but don't want to govern
in peace and prosperity.
The leash has snapped, and Super Shitty Shmoo is chasing the
runaway rabbit of his fantasies.
Hamas [sic] entire doctrine and premise for being
is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with Israel.
If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly be removed
from power as they not only don't know how to but don't want to govern
in peace and prosperity.
...says the idiotic puppet of the Mega MAGA Morons Brigade.
Why would you make a claim that is so easily refuted?
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses in your
argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the governing body of
Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore rejecting any diplomatic or
political solution to their ongoing problems.
What a ridiculous argument. Hamas entire doctrine and premise for being
is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with Israel.
If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly be removed
from power as they not only don't know how to but don't want to govern
in peace and prosperity.
You can't rationally claim to seek any diplomatic or political solution without
rejecting Hamas.
The leash has snapped, and Super Shitty Shmoo is chasing the
runaway rabbit of his fantasies.
Hamas [sic] entire doctrine and premise for being
is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with Israel.
If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly be removed
from power as they not only don't know how to but don't want to govern
in peace and prosperity.
...says the idiotic puppet of the Mega MAGA Morons Brigade.
Why would you make a claim that is so easily refuted?https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
Fuck off you pathetic mental insect.
On 6/14/23 11:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses in your
argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the governing body of
Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore rejecting any diplomatic or
political solution to their ongoing problems.
What a ridiculous argument. Hamas entire doctrine and premise for being
is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with Israel.
If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly be removed
from power as they not only don't know how to but don't want to govern
in peace and prosperity.
You can't rationally claim to seek any diplomatic or political solution withoutYou got a word wrong: You can't rationally claim to seek any diplomatic
rejecting Hamas.
or political solution *while* rejecting Hamas.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:39:08 AM UTC-7, Fascist Flea wrote:
The leash has snapped, and Super Shitty Shmoo is chasing the
runaway rabbit of his fantasies.
...says the idiotic puppet of the Mega MAGA Morons Brigade.
Hamas [sic] entire doctrine and premise for being
is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with Israel.
If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly be removed
from power as they not only don't know how to but don't want to govern
in peace and prosperity.
Why would you make a claim that is so easily refuted?
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:10:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/13/23 10:48 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:12:14 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Your format and diction are novel, uncharacteristic and artificial.
Found ChatGP, didja?
What are you babbling about?
All I see is your inability to defend your defense of Hamas.Yes, as I said, you're trying to frame the argument so that any
Because its indefensible
opposition is indefensible.
it is indefensible. You support Hamas
And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses in your
argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the governing body of
Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore rejecting any diplomatic or
political solution to their ongoing problems.
You definitely defended them, by whitewashing and gaslighting their militant terrorism.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by rejecting.
I'm not saying that they aren't in power, I'm just calling them out
for being evil.
At any rate, they are not interested in any diplomatic or political
solution that recognizes Israel's right to exist. Nor will they cease their attacks
on Israel and its civilian population.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:52:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:You got a word wrong: You can't rationally claim to seek any
And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses
in your argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the
governing body of Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore
rejecting any diplomatic or political solution to their ongoing
problems.
What a ridiculous argument. Hamas entire doctrine and premise for
being is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with
Israel. If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly
be removed from power as they not only don't know how to but
don't want to govern in peace and prosperity.
You can't rationally claim to seek any diplomatic or political
solution without rejecting Hamas.
diplomatic or political solution *while* rejecting Hamas.
Endorsing Hamas as a legit gov't of Gaza is insane.
The first thing Hamas did after winning the last election was oust
their only political opposition, Fatah, from Gaza. There hasn't been
a Palestinian election since and their most recent planned attempt
was aborted.
You can't even get Hamas and Fatah to sit down and talk. Everytime
anyone tries to negotiate with Fatah, Hamas launches a terror
campaign. Your position can only result in the horrific status quo remaining....and that's just plain evil.
On 6/14/23 11:49 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:39:08 AM UTC-7, Fascist Flea wrote:
The leash has snapped, and Super Shitty Shmoo is chasing the
runaway rabbit of his fantasies.
...says the idiotic puppet of the Mega MAGA Morons Brigade.
Hamas [sic] entire doctrine and premise for being
is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with Israel.
If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly be removed
from power as they not only don't know how to but don't want to govern >>> in peace and prosperity.
Why would you make a claim that is so easily refuted?
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htmNot an original source.
You missed the updated covenant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
Plenty to disagree with! But Article 16 is the essence of the point I
raised without agreeing or disagreeing.
On 6/14/23 12:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:52:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/14/23 11:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:You got a word wrong: You can't rationally claim to seek any
And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses
in your argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the
governing body of Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore
rejecting any diplomatic or political solution to their ongoing
problems.
What a ridiculous argument. Hamas entire doctrine and premise for
being is to oppose any diplomatic and political solution with
Israel. If that should ever occur Hamas knows they would quickly
be removed from power as they not only don't know how to but
don't want to govern in peace and prosperity.
You can't rationally claim to seek any diplomatic or political
solution without rejecting Hamas.
diplomatic or political solution *while* rejecting Hamas.
Endorsing Hamas as a legit gov't of Gaza is insane.Who said that's an endorsement? The word you're looking for is 'recognizing.'
The first thing Hamas did after winning the last election was oust
their only political opposition, Fatah, from Gaza. There hasn't been
a Palestinian election since and their most recent planned attempt
was aborted.
You can't even get Hamas and Fatah to sit down and talk. EverytimeHamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the one maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to negotiate with.
anyone tries to negotiate with Fatah, Hamas launches a terror
campaign. Your position can only result in the horrific status quo remaining....and that's just plain evil.
See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia Relations; etc.
Hamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the one maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to negotiate with.
See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia Relations; etc.
Hamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the one maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to negotiate with.
I am not going to lie about them, gaslight them, or whitewash them.
And wouldn't the reverse also hold true? That Hamas should not villify Israel and
should not continue to attack their civilian population? Israel and the Israeli citizens are
the ones Hamas needs to negotiate with,
Its a two way street, not a one way street.
See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia Relations; etc.and also Sadat meeting with Israel. How about that, Hamas? Can you do that?
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:31:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
You missed the updated covenant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
Plenty to disagree with! But Article 16 is the essence of the point I
raised without agreeing or disagreeing.
This is the point you tried to make
"And I'm not defending Hamas, just pointing out the weaknesses in your argument. If you reject Hamas, you're rejecting the governing body of Israel's Palestinian Gaza Strip, therefore rejecting any diplomatic or political solution to their ongoing problems."
and it's odd that you grant Gaza to Israel.....Are you Egyptian?
But the updated covenant still rejects the existence of Israel
and does not support your supposed point even with article 16
which reasserts rejection of Israel.
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:41:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Hamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the one
maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to negotiate with.
BS....the long reign of Hamas terror is enabled by stupid western assistance to Palestinian regimes. Stop that and they will fall and perhaps a more reasonable gov't will emerge. It's the only hope.
What you advocate hasn't worked forever.
See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia Relations; etc.
There's zero equivalence. It's just incredibly stupid to try to compare them.
Hamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the one
maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to negotiate with.
I am not going to lie about them, gaslight them, or whitewash them.
And wouldn't the reverse also hold true? That Hamas should not villify Israel and
should not continue to attack their civilian population? Israel and the Israeli citizens are
the ones Hamas needs to negotiate with,
Its a two way street, not a one way street.
See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia Relations; etc.
and also Sadat meeting with Israel. How about that, Hamas? Can you do that?
On 6/14/23 6:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Hamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the one
maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to negotiate with.
I am not going to lie about them, gaslight them, or whitewash them.
And wouldn't the reverse also hold true? That Hamas should not villify Israel and
should not continue to attack their civilian population? Israel and the Israeli citizens are
the ones Hamas needs to negotiate with,
Its a two way street, not a one way street.At last: an acknowledgement there's more than one actor involved.
See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia Relations; etc.
and also Sadat meeting with Israel. How about that, Hamas? Can you do that?C'mon, Hamas! Do it!
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:28:36 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/14/23 6:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
At last: an acknowledgement there's more than one actor involved.
Hamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the
one maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to
negotiate with.
I am not going to lie about them, gaslight them, or whitewash
them. And wouldn't the reverse also hold true? That Hamas should
not villify Israel and should not continue to attack their
civilian population? Israel and the Israeli citizens are the ones
Hamas needs to negotiate with,
Its a two way street, not a one way street.
I never denied or even implied there wasn't
C'mon, Hamas! Do it!See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia
Relations; etc.
and also Sadat meeting with Israel. How about that, Hamas? Can
you do that?
yes recognize Israel's right to exist. That will earn you
goodwill. and come to the table and use that goodwill.
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:26:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/14/23 4:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:41:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:You overestimate Western influence.
Hamas: generally bad guys who have done bad things. You're the oneBS....the long reign of Hamas terror is enabled by stupid western assistance
maintaining the status quo by vilifying those you need to negotiate with. >>>
to Palestinian regimes. Stop that and they will fall and perhaps a more
reasonable gov't will emerge. It's the only hope.
What you advocate hasn't worked forever.
Negotiating with bad people is the equivalence.See also: detente; "Nixon goes to China"; US-Saudi Arabia Relations; etc. >>>There's zero equivalence. It's just incredibly stupid to try to compare them.
I do that everyday with you.
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