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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 07:58:39 2023
    on CNN and Licht.

    Licht defines his mission:

    “Journalism. Being trusted. Everyone has an agenda, trying to shape events or shape thought. There has to be a source of absolute truth,” he told me. “There’s good actors, there’s bad actors, there’s a lot of shit in the world. There has to
    be something that you’re able to look at and go, ‘They have no agenda other than the truth.’”

    and here's an example of how the Atlantic sees their mission.
    "For 70 minutes in Manchester, the former president overpowered CNN’s moderator, Kaitlan Collins, with a continuous blast of distortion, hyperbole, and lies."

    https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fpolitics%2Farchive%2F2023%2F06%2Fcnn-ratings-chris-licht-trump%2F674255%2F

    I find the whole journalism as largely devoted to truth telling a sad farce. Licht may have that objective but he never had the backing of his workforce and now...according to the Atlantic...he's lost 'em completely.

    This is little different than what Elon is dealing with at twitter....with one exception....Elon is quick to fire people who don't get on board.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Jun 3 10:51:52 2023
    On 6/3/23 9:58 AM, ScottW wrote:
    on CNN and Licht.

    Interesting article.

    I find the whole journalism as largely devoted to truth telling a sad
    farce. Licht may have that objective but he never had the backing of
    his workforce and now...according to the Atlantic...he's lost 'em
    completely.

    Licht's problem was excessive regard for the truth? The right-wing
    billionaire pulling his strings wasn't a consideration?

    This is little different than what Elon is dealing with at
    twitter....with one exception....Elon is quick to fire people who
    don't get on board.

    There were plenty of firings at CNN and some cancellations looked political.

    Happy to meet you, sorry to part: https://www.rawstory.com/hire-of-new-cnn-executive-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-its-ceo-report/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 16:08:15 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:51:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:58 AM, ScottW wrote:
    on CNN and Licht.

    Interesting article.
    I find the whole journalism as largely devoted to truth telling a sad farce. Licht may have that objective but he never had the backing of
    his workforce and now...according to the Atlantic...he's lost 'em completely.
    Licht's problem was excessive regard for the truth?

    It's his mission which was in conflict with the wishes of his workforce
    which debunks the theory that journalists are essentially truth seekers.

    The right-wing
    billionaire pulling his strings wasn't a consideration?

    Is that the lefties excuse for not wanting honesty?

    This is little different than what Elon is dealing with at
    twitter....with one exception....Elon is quick to fire people who
    don't get on board.
    There were plenty of firings at CNN and some cancellations looked political.

    Not quickly and not specifically for not getting on board with the program.
    No message was sent for needing a more honest approach.

    Happy to meet you, sorry to part: https://www.rawstory.com/hire-of-new-cnn-executive-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-its-ceo-report/

    Atlantic gossip.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 4 14:10:21 2023
    On 6/3/23 6:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:51:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:58 AM, ScottW wrote:
    on CNN and Licht.

    Interesting article.
    I find the whole journalism as largely devoted to truth telling a
    sad farce. Licht may have that objective but he never had the
    backing of his workforce and now...according to the
    Atlantic...he's lost 'em completely.
    Licht's problem was excessive regard for the truth?

    It's his mission which was in conflict with the wishes of his
    workforce which debunks the theory that journalists are essentially
    truth seekers.

    I must have read a different article. Congrats on finding another way to misstate my earlier point about the MSM.

    The right-wing billionaire pulling his strings wasn't a
    consideration?

    Is that the lefties excuse for not wanting honesty?

    Since the billionaire wants to be Fox and Fox isn't honest... wait, what
    do you mean?

    This is little different than what Elon is dealing with at
    twitter....with one exception....Elon is quick to fire people
    who don't get on board.
    There were plenty of firings at CNN and some cancellations looked
    political.

    Not quickly and not specifically for not getting on board with the
    program. No message was sent for needing a more honest approach.

    How did the word 'honest' get in there? Prominent journalists left, the respected media commentary show, “Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter,”
    was cancelled.

    Happy to meet you, sorry to part:
    https://www.rawstory.com/hire-of-new-cnn-executive-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-its-ceo-report/

    Atlantic gossip.

    It's public knowledge: Licht has been relieved of some of his duties.

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/02/cnns-chris-licht-could-be-in-trouble-with-david-leavy-as-coo/




    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 14:24:49 2023
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 12:10:23 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 6:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:51:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:58 AM, ScottW wrote:
    on CNN and Licht.

    Interesting article.
    I find the whole journalism as largely devoted to truth telling a
    sad farce. Licht may have that objective but he never had the
    backing of his workforce and now...according to the
    Atlantic...he's lost 'em completely.
    Licht's problem was excessive regard for the truth?

    It's his mission which was in conflict with the wishes of his
    workforce which debunks the theory that journalists are essentially
    truth seekers.
    I must have read a different article. Congrats on finding another way to misstate my earlier point about the MSM.

    Your point on MSM has been so thoroughly debunked that you can't even
    remember what it originally was.


    The right-wing billionaire pulling his strings wasn't a
    consideration?

    Is that the lefties excuse for not wanting honesty?
    Since the billionaire wants to be Fox and Fox isn't honest... wait, what
    do you mean?

    You even confuse yourself.

    This is little different than what Elon is dealing with at
    twitter....with one exception....Elon is quick to fire people
    who don't get on board.
    There were plenty of firings at CNN and some cancellations looked
    political.

    Not quickly and not specifically for not getting on board with the program. No message was sent for needing a more honest approach.
    How did the word 'honest' get in there? Prominent journalists left, the respected media commentary show, “Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter,”

    Oh that's hilarious! Who respected that left-wing dem advocating claptrap? Nobody even watched.

    was cancelled.
    Happy to meet you, sorry to part:
    https://www.rawstory.com/hire-of-new-cnn-executive-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-its-ceo-report/

    Atlantic gossip.
    It's public knowledge: Licht has been relieved of some of his duties.

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/02/cnns-chris-licht-could-be-in-trouble-with-david-leavy-as-coo/




    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 5 10:08:23 2023
    On 6/4/23 4:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 12:10:23 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 6:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:51:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:58 AM, ScottW wrote:
    on CNN and Licht.

    Interesting article.
    I find the whole journalism as largely devoted to truth telling a
    sad farce. Licht may have that objective but he never had the
    backing of his workforce and now...according to the
    Atlantic...he's lost 'em completely.
    Licht's problem was excessive regard for the truth?

    It's his mission which was in conflict with the wishes of his
    workforce which debunks the theory that journalists are essentially
    truth seekers.
    I must have read a different article. Congrats on finding another way to
    misstate my earlier point about the MSM.

    Your point on MSM has been so thoroughly debunked that you can't even remember what it originally was.

    No, it has not and it's your restatements that are all over the map.

    The right-wing billionaire pulling his strings wasn't a
    consideration?

    Is that the lefties excuse for not wanting honesty?
    Since the billionaire wants to be Fox and Fox isn't honest... wait, what
    do you mean?

    You even confuse yourself.

    Congrats on being baffling. You win!

    This is little different than what Elon is dealing with at
    twitter....with one exception....Elon is quick to fire people
    who don't get on board.
    There were plenty of firings at CNN and some cancellations looked
    political.

    Not quickly and not specifically for not getting on board with the
    program. No message was sent for needing a more honest approach.
    How did the word 'honest' get in there? Prominent journalists left, the
    respected media commentary show, “Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter,”

    Oh that's hilarious! Who respected that left-wing dem advocating claptrap? Nobody even watched.

    Journalists. And 'cancelled because no one watched' shows an attitude
    favoring ratings over media commentary.

    was cancelled.
    Happy to meet you, sorry to part:
    https://www.rawstory.com/hire-of-new-cnn-executive-could-signal-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-its-ceo-report/

    Atlantic gossip.
    It's public knowledge: Licht has been relieved of some of his duties.

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/02/cnns-chris-licht-could-be-in-trouble-with-david-leavy-as-coo/

    And it's a moving target. Commentary from Stelter with much CNN insider content:

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/can-chris-licht-survive-at-cnn.html

    "Reporters learn early in their careers to think two or three steps
    ahead. That’s why, while the media commentariat was talking about CNN
    CEO Chris Licht last Friday, some of CNN’s best-known journalists were thinking ahead and calling David Leavy.

    Precisely 24 hours before The Atlantic published “Inside the Meltdown at CNN,” a 15,000-word defenestration of Licht, the cable news network
    announced Leavy as its new chief operating officer. The press release
    listed June 20 as Leavy’s start date. But the truth is Leavy started immediately — he had no other choice. He knew the article was about to
    hit. His boss David Zaslav, the CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery, needed
    him to survey and repair the damage."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 13:30:27 2023
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:08:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/4/23 4:24 PM, ScottW wrote:

    How did the word 'honest' get in there? Prominent journalists left, the >> respected media commentary show, “Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter,”

    Oh that's hilarious! Who respected that left-wing dem advocating claptrap? Nobody even watched.
    Journalists.

    Journalists are massively left-winged and dem biased. They freely tell us that
    and their political donation records support it.


    And 'cancelled because no one watched' shows an attitude
    favoring ratings over media commentary.

    Not really....if they really favored ratings they wouldn't have lost their audience
    by being so overtly biased. It took management to finally dump it after years of horrific
    ratings.
    I'm not going to delve into CNNs somewhat unique financial base that makes them
    a little less prone to ratings (the airport deal should be obvious).

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 6 09:43:51 2023
    On 6/5/23 3:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:08:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/4/23 4:24 PM, ScottW wrote:

    How did the word 'honest' get in there? Prominent journalists left, the >>>> respected media commentary show, “Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter,”

    Oh that's hilarious! Who respected that left-wing dem advocating claptrap? >>> Nobody even watched.
    Journalists.

    Journalists are massively left-winged and dem biased. They freely tell us that
    and their political donation records support it.

    Yet they bend over backwards to in response to right wing criticism and
    shrug off voices from the left. It's almost as if they strive to avoid
    the appearance of bias.

    And 'cancelled because no one watched' shows an attitude
    favoring ratings over media commentary.

    Not really....if they really favored ratings they wouldn't have lost their audience
    by being so overtly biased. It took management to finally dump it after years of horrific
    ratings.

    There's not a big audience for media commentary. The program was
    implicitly a money-losing one meant for industry types.

    More "inside baseball":

    https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/8/18/23312362/brian-stelter-cnn-warner-brothers-discovery-john-malone-reliable-sources


    "His show, along with his daily media newsletter, was a big deal in
    media circles — see this “Pet of the Day” submission from ... David Zaslav — but not a huge draw for normals."

    I'm not going to delve into CNNs somewhat unique financial base that makes them
    a little less prone to ratings (the airport deal should be obvious).

    Then do Fox News, whose financial base is cable carriage fees.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 13:47:45 2023
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 10:43:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
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    Then do Fox News, whose financial base is cable carriage fees.

    So?
    What's your point?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 9 07:29:55 2023
    On 6/6/23 3:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 10:43:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    v
    v
    Then do Fox News, whose financial base is cable carriage fees.

    So?
    What's your point?

    Fox News' financial base of carriage fees doesn't rely on advertising
    because advertisers didn't want to be associated with Tucker, etc, so it
    shares CNN's lack of reliance on ratings.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 14:21:48 2023
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 8:29:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/6/23 3:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 10:43:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    v
    v
    Then do Fox News, whose financial base is cable carriage fees.

    So?
    What's your point?
    Fox News' financial base of carriage fees doesn't rely on advertising because advertisers didn't want to be associated with Tucker, etc, so it shares CNN's lack of reliance on ratings.

    Their bank account is padded with My Pillows.
    Very comfy.

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