On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottWYou just cited MSN, obviously a right wing echo chamber media outlet.
Stevie will squawk and scream and refuse to read it
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.You just cited MSN, obviously a right wing echo chamber media outlet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
Stevie will squawk and scream and refuse to read it
Stevie wants our power rationed but unlimited amounts of money printed.
On 5/10/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:MSN is an aggregator. You'll find HuffPost on there, too.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.You just cited MSN, obviously a right wing echo chamber media outlet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
Stevie will squawk and scream and refuse to read it
Stevie wants our power rationed but unlimited amounts of money printed.And you're citing an AGW denier published by The Telegraph and pjmedia
best remembered for losing big against a New Zealand newspaper, leading
to the liquidation of his "New Zealand Climate Science Coalition."
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
Stevie wants our power rationed but unlimited amounts of money printed.ScottWYou just cited MSN, obviously a right wing echo chamber media outlet. Stevie will squawk and scream and refuse to read it
ScottW
On 5/10/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:MSN is an aggregator. You'll find HuffPost on there, too.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.You just cited MSN, obviously a right wing echo chamber media outlet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
Stevie will squawk and scream and refuse to read it
Stevie wants our power rationed but unlimited amounts of money printed.And you're citing an AGW denier
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 7:34:20 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 5/10/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:MSN is an aggregator. You'll find HuffPost on there, too.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.You just cited MSN, obviously a right wing echo chamber media outlet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
Stevie will squawk and scream and refuse to read it
Stevie wants our power rationed but unlimited amounts of money printed.And you're citing an AGW denier published by The Telegraph and pjmedia
best remembered for losing big against a New Zealand newspaper, leading
to the liquidation of his "New Zealand Climate Science Coalition."
Toldja so!
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 4:34:20 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 5/10/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:MSN is an aggregator. You'll find HuffPost on there, too.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.You just cited MSN, obviously a right wing echo chamber media outlet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
Stevie will squawk and scream and refuse to read it
Stevie wants our power rationed but unlimited amounts of money printed.And you're citing an AGW denier
Yet you can't refute his numbers. So typical for you.
and here are the numbers to back that up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
On 11/05/2023 4:13 am, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW**There are several problems with that article. Clearly, the author is technically inept. Here are a couple of issues:
* Solar PV can be quite effective, when used in many, low cloud areas of
the US.
Transmission of electricity via HVDC systems results in losses
of less than 3% per 1,000km.
On 11/05/2023 4:13 am, ScottW wrote:
* Geo-thermal energy can be economically employed in various parts of
the US and does not require storage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geothermal_power_stations_in_the_United_States
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On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 4:05:24 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/05/2023 4:13 am, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.**There are several problems with that article. Clearly, the author is
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
technically inept. Here are a couple of issues:
* Solar PV can be quite effective, when used in many, low cloud areas of
the US.
That's pretty vague and doesn't even address the night.
We're already getting punitive rates starting at 4PM when the sun is still fairly high in the sky so you're clearly full of shit.
How would you like to pay 80c/kWh to charge your care between 4 and 10 PM? That's what solar gets you.
Transmission of electricity via HVDC systems results in losses
of less than 3% per 1,000km.
We already have forests burning from power line created fires.
Yes it can be more efficient....but it won't get power from sunny Az. to
NYC.
The rest of your solutions are decades away from commercial availability.
We're crushing our economy and stripping people of their standard of living with solutions that won't come close to meeting IPCC demands.
How many trillions do you want to spend on a solution that we know is a failure
even if implemented?
On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 7:05:24 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/05/2023 4:13 am, ScottW wrote:
* Geo-thermal energy can be economically employed in various parts of
the US and does not require storage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geothermal_power_stations_in_the_United_States
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One of the things i like to do is track earthquakes with
a usgs app on my phone.
There used to be a lot of tiny earthquakes at The Geysers in Northern California, almost on a daily basis, 2.5 or less.
I noticed that about a year ago, the quakes stopped, or got less severe (i track 2.0 or higher).
I don't know why.
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/why-are-there-so-many-earthquakes-geysers-area-northern-california
On 12/05/2023 10:07 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 7:05:24 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/05/2023 4:13 am, ScottW wrote:
* Geo-thermal energy can be economically employed in various parts of
the US and does not require storage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geothermal_power_stations_in_the_United_States
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One of the things i like to do is track earthquakes with
a usgs app on my phone.
There used to be a lot of tiny earthquakes at The Geysers in Northern California, almost on a daily basis, 2.5 or less.
I noticed that about a year ago, the quakes stopped, or got less severe (i track 2.0 or higher).
I don't know why.
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/why-are-there-so-many-earthquakes-geysers-area-northern-california**There is a huge amount of stored energy ready to be unleashed on the
area around the San Andreas fault.
On 12/05/2023 9:20 am, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 4:05:24 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/05/2023 4:13 am, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.**There are several problems with that article. Clearly, the author is
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
technically inept. Here are a couple of issues:
* Solar PV can be quite effective, when used in many, low cloud areas of >> the US.
That's pretty vague and doesn't even address the night.**Convert electricity to H2 and/or ammonia.
We're already getting punitive rates starting at 4PM when the sun is still fairly high in the sky so you're clearly full of shit.**And it will become worse.
How would you like to pay 80c/kWh to charge your care between 4 and 10 PM? That's what solar gets you.**Then YOU figure out how to generate and store electricity, so that CO2 emissions are minimised.
Transmission of electricity via HVDC systems results in losses
of less than 3% per 1,000km.
We already have forests burning from power line created fires.**HVDC cables can be buried.
Yes it can be more efficient....but it won't get power from sunny Az. to NYC.**Yes, it can and probably will.
The rest of your solutions are decades away from commercial availability.**And yet, they are all use right now. Successfully and commercially viably.
We're crushing our economy and stripping people of their standard of living**I have news for you: EVERY nation on the planet faces the same
with solutions that won't come close to meeting IPCC demands.
problems. The US is no different.
How many trillions do you want to spend on a solution that we know is a failure**What solution would that be?
even if implemented?
On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/05/2023 9:20 am, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 4:05:24 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Convert electricity to H2 and/or ammonia.
On 11/05/2023 4:13 am, ScottW wrote:
and here are the numbers to back that up.**There are several problems with that article. Clearly, the author is >>>> technically inept. Here are a couple of issues:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/ar-AA1aZrIs
ScottW
* Solar PV can be quite effective, when used in many, low cloud areas of >>>> the US.
That's pretty vague and doesn't even address the night.
We're already getting punitive rates starting at 4PM when the sun is still >>> fairly high in the sky so you're clearly full of shit.**And it will become worse.
How would you like to pay 80c/kWh to charge your care between 4 and 10 PM? >>> That's what solar gets you.**Then YOU figure out how to generate and store electricity, so that CO2
emissions are minimised.
I would have kept the nukes.
**HVDC cables can be buried.
Transmission of electricity via HVDC systems results in losses
of less than 3% per 1,000km.
We already have forests burning from power line created fires.
Yes it can be more efficient....but it won't get power from sunny Az. to >>> NYC.**Yes, it can and probably will.
Not a chance. Our tree huggers will sue it ever step of the way.
And then there is the cost.....huge.
Are you paying for it?
**I have news for you: EVERY nation on the planet faces the same
The rest of your solutions are decades away from commercial availability. >> **And yet, they are all use right now. Successfully and commercially viably. >>>
We're crushing our economy and stripping people of their standard of living >>> with solutions that won't come close to meeting IPCC demands.
problems. The US is no different.
China doesn't.
How many trillions do you want to spend on a solution that we know is a failure**What solution would that be?
even if implemented?
Hello...McFly...are you awake?
EVERYONE is suffering.
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
EVERYONE is suffering.
Well, I'm certainly suffering.
cooking on electric stove,
even get a strong flush out of my toilet.
On 16/05/2023 12:56 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
EVERYONE is suffering.
Well, I'm certainly suffering.**You don't know what suffering is. THIS is suffering:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%93present_Ukrainian_refugee_crisis
Thanks to the Trump/Putin invasion.
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/south-sudan/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_refugees_in_Bangladesh
YOU have zero idea.
Dwindling beef supplies,
**So? Beef is bad for you. Eat something else. This is cheap, healthy
and MUCH more sustainable:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/lentils/
I still eat various types of animal protein, but I have supplemented
that protein with lentils. I am much healthier for the change and my
wallet thanks me. Lentils are VERY inexpensive.
Stop whining and eat more lentils.
no gas lawnmower,
**Big fucking deal. I've been using an electric lawnmower for more than
30 years. Best thing: The only maintenance I've had to perform is to
sharpen the blade. Quiet, light weight and very convenient.
cooking on electric stove,
**Big fucking deal. I have only ever cooked using electricity. Works
very well.
high gasoline prices,
**Big fucking deal. Buy a more fuel efficient vehicle. Like this one:
https://www.toyota.com/rav4prime/
VERY economical. 94 MPG. You're lucky. Toyota don't import them into Australia. Dumb bastards. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
How about this?
https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/outlander-phev
64MPG.
Or this:
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview
brownouts,
**I can't help you there. You should invest in Solar PV panels and a
battery back-up.
and i can't
even get a strong flush out of my toilet.**Buy a bucket. Or get your toilet fixed. In fact, fix the damned toilet yourself. They are extremely simple devices. Your local hardware store carries suitable repair items.
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/05/2023 12:56 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**You don't know what suffering is. THIS is suffering:
EVERYONE is suffering.
Well, I'm certainly suffering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%93present_Ukrainian_refugee_crisis >>
Thanks to the Trump/Putin invasion.
You are a delusional idiot, or a scumbag liar, or both.
By the way, the Durham report was issued today, further exonerating Trump from the collusion hoax brought against him by Hillary Clinton.
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/south-sudan/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_refugees_in_Bangladesh
YOU have zero idea.
Dwindling beef supplies,
**So? Beef is bad for you. Eat something else. This is cheap, healthy
and MUCH more sustainable:
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO EAT!!!
You can eat shit
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/lentils/
I still eat various types of animal protein, but I have supplemented
that protein with lentils. I am much healthier for the change and my
wallet thanks me. Lentils are VERY inexpensive.
Stop whining and eat more lentils.
I don't enjoy eating lentils.
Life is to be enjoyed.
no gas lawnmower,
**Big fucking deal. I've been using an electric lawnmower for more than
30 years. Best thing: The only maintenance I've had to perform is to
sharpen the blade. Quiet, light weight and very convenient.
I hope you run over the cord.
cooking on electric stove,
**Big fucking deal. I have only ever cooked using electricity. Works
very well.
It sucks. A high preponderance of the best restaurants cook on gas.
high gasoline prices,
**Big fucking deal. Buy a more fuel efficient vehicle. Like this one:
https://www.toyota.com/rav4prime/
I own a Prius. Is that good enough for you?
Gas is still high
VERY economical. 94 MPG. You're lucky. Toyota don't import them into
Australia. Dumb bastards. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
How about this?
https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/outlander-phev
64MPG.
Or this:
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview
brownouts,
**I can't help you there. You should invest in Solar PV panels and a
battery back-up.
I shouldn't have to buy that.
I should have a reliable electric supply.
and i can't
even get a strong flush out of my toilet.**Buy a bucket. Or get your toilet fixed. In fact, fix the damned toilet
yourself. They are extremely simple devices. Your local hardware store
carries suitable repair items.
Todays toilets are designed that way.
enjoy your lentils!!!!!!!
On 16/05/2023 4:43 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/05/2023 12:56 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**You don't know what suffering is. THIS is suffering:
EVERYONE is suffering.
Well, I'm certainly suffering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%93present_Ukrainian_refugee_crisis
Thanks to the Trump/Putin invasion.
You are a delusional idiot, or a scumbag liar, or both.
By the way, the Durham report was issued today, further exonerating Trump from the collusion hoax brought against him by Hillary Clinton.**You are, probably, the biggest moron on the planet.
First off: Durham is a Trump stooge.
Second off: Durham tried and failed to prove that Hillary Clinton tried
to implicate Trump is dirty dealings with the Russians.
Third off: Durham DID NOT try to prove that Trump had nothing to do with Putin.
Trump's own words betray him. Trump is a puppet of Putin:
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/south-sudan/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_refugees_in_Bangladesh
YOU have zero idea.
Dwindling beef supplies,
**So? Beef is bad for you. Eat something else. This is cheap, healthy
and MUCH more sustainable:
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO EAT!!!
You can eat shit
**You fucking moron. You just claimed that YOU had dwindling meat
supplies. I provided you with a healthy, much less expensive
alternative, or, at worst, a way to extend your meat supplies.
and i can't
even get a strong flush out of my toilet.**Buy a bucket. Or get your toilet fixed. In fact, fix the damned toilet >> yourself. They are extremely simple devices. Your local hardware store
carries suitable repair items.
Todays toilets are designed that way.**Bullshit. I've been to the US. The toilets flush just fine.
enjoy your lentils!!!!!!!
**I don't really enjoy lentils, but I know that they are good for me.
fats at a minimum. I NEVER eat bacon. Probably the worst food in Western diets. As a Jew, I guess you don't either.
BTW: It's gym day today. 90 mins, 3 times a week, doing cardio and
lifting weights. The other days, I do a brisk walk for 50 mins (up and
down steep hills). Do I enjoy it? Not so much, but I know it is good for
my health. Like lentils.
On 16/05/2023 4:43 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/05/2023 12:56 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**You don't know what suffering is. THIS is suffering:
EVERYONE is suffering.
Well, I'm certainly suffering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%93present_Ukrainian_refugee_crisis
Thanks to the Trump/Putin invasion.
You are a delusional idiot, or a scumbag liar, or both.
By the way, the Durham report was issued today, further exonerating Trump from the collusion hoax brought against him by Hillary Clinton.**You are, probably, the biggest moron on the planet.
First off: Durham is a Trump stooge.
Second off: Durham tried and failed to prove that Hillary Clinton tried
to implicate Trump is dirty dealings with the Russians.
Third off: Durham DID NOT try to prove that Trump had nothing to do with Putin.
Trump's own words betray him. Trump is a puppet of Putin:
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/south-sudan/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_refugees_in_Bangladesh
YOU have zero idea.
Dwindling beef supplies,
**So? Beef is bad for you. Eat something else. This is cheap, healthy
and MUCH more sustainable:
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO EAT!!!
You can eat shit
**You fucking moron. You just claimed that YOU had dwindling meat
supplies. I provided you with a healthy, much less expensive
alternative, or, at worst, a way to extend your meat supplies.
I am not telling you what to eat. I am providing good, sane, HEALTHY
advice. You can ignore that advice and die early. Your choice. American beef, BTW, is the worst on the planet. Most American beef is grain fed.
Over here, most of our beef is grass fed. Far healthier. FWIW: Kangaroo
meat is possibly the healthiest red meat on the planet. Tricky to cook though.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/lentils/
I still eat various types of animal protein, but I have supplemented
that protein with lentils. I am much healthier for the change and my
wallet thanks me. Lentils are VERY inexpensive.
Stop whining and eat more lentils.
I don't enjoy eating lentils.**Then find something else that you like to extend your unhealthy
Life is to be enjoyed.
obsession with shitty American beef.
no gas lawnmower,
**Big fucking deal. I've been using an electric lawnmower for more than >> 30 years. Best thing: The only maintenance I've had to perform is to
sharpen the blade. Quiet, light weight and very convenient.
I hope you run over the cord.**I did so. Once. Never again.
cooking on electric stove,
**Big fucking deal. I have only ever cooked using electricity. Works
very well.
It sucks. A high preponderance of the best restaurants cook on gas.**So fucking what? Are you a chef? Cook with electricity. It works
extremely well.
high gasoline prices,
**Big fucking deal. Buy a more fuel efficient vehicle. Like this one:
https://www.toyota.com/rav4prime/
I own a Prius. Is that good enough for you?**It's OK, but the RAV4 Prime is MUCH better.
Gas is still high
**The RAV4 Prime uses half the gas that a Prius does.
VERY economical. 94 MPG. You're lucky. Toyota don't import them into
Australia. Dumb bastards. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
How about this?
https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/outlander-phev
64MPG.
Or this:
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview
brownouts,
**I can't help you there. You should invest in Solar PV panels and a
battery back-up.
I shouldn't have to buy that.**Then complain to the (private) power company. Stop whining to me.
I should have a reliable electric supply.
and i can't
even get a strong flush out of my toilet.**Buy a bucket. Or get your toilet fixed. In fact, fix the damned toilet >> yourself. They are extremely simple devices. Your local hardware store
carries suitable repair items.
Todays toilets are designed that way.**Bullshit. I've been to the US. The toilets flush just fine.
enjoy your lentils!!!!!!!
**I don't really enjoy lentils, but I know that they are good for me.
Unlike your childish approach to eating, I try to balance my diet
carefully, so I keep my consumption of simple carbs, sugar and saturated fats at a minimum. I NEVER eat bacon. Probably the worst food in Western diets. As a Jew, I guess you don't either.
BTW: It's gym day today. 90 mins, 3 times a week, doing cardio and
lifting weights. The other days, I do a brisk walk for 50 mins (up and
down steep hills). Do I enjoy it? Not so much, but I know it is good for
my health. Like lentils.
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You are a delusional idiot, or a scumbag liar, or both.
By the way, the Durham report was issued today, further exonerating Trump from the collusion hoax brought against him by Hillary Clinton.**You are, probably, the biggest moron on the planet.
First off: Durham is a Trump stooge.
Second off: Durham tried and failed to prove that Hillary Clinton tried
to implicate Trump is dirty dealings with the Russians.
Third off: Durham DID NOT try to prove that Trump had nothing to do with Putin.
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