He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war. While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological argument. It's more
Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right now. Niki
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
ScottW
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological argument. It's
Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right now. Niki
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological argument. It's
Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right now. Niki
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability. Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
ScottW
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:s more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological argument. It'
Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right now.
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability. Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
ScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue.
The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological argument.
Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right now.
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability. Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue.
The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
ScottW
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological argument.
Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right now.
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability. Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue.
The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
ScottWThe loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay of
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.
The damage is done
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term
consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:argument. It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological
now. Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability. Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue.
The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
All are issues best handled at local levels.ScottWThe loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay of
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.Need congress to act on that....but also best handled at the state level.
The damage is doneI think what happens in Ukraine has direct impact on China's calculation re Taiwan.
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term
consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
ScottW
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:53:04 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:argument. It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological
now. Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis right
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability.
Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue.
The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
All are issues best handled at local levels.ScottWThe loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay of
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.Need congress to act on that....but also best handled at the state level.
The damage is doneI think what happens in Ukraine has direct impact on China's calculation re Taiwan.
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term
consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
ScottWThese are problems affecting the entire country and need to be addressed in the national forum.
The border issues certainly are not local,
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:04:28 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:argument. It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:53:04 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological
right now. Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability.
Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue. The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
All are issues best handled at local levels.ScottWThe loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay of
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.Need congress to act on that....but also best handled at the state level.
The damage is doneI think what happens in Ukraine has direct impact on China's calculation re Taiwan.
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term
consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
Not gonna happen.ScottWThese are problems affecting the entire country and need to be addressed in the national forum.
The border issues certainly are not local,Wasn't in sentence I was responding to. At the rate Biden is going, he'll have all of Trumps
policies on migrants back in place before '24.
We pick our priorities. I have mine and you have yours. Right now I'm looking more at Niki
after her pro-Ukraine speech.
DeSantis comments are thin but he seems to have wimped badly calling it a territorial dispute.
That was f'in nuts.
ScottW
Yes, data does not support such claims.
Two days ago Sec Defense Austin proclaimed that DEI is the military's highest priority.
That means that readiness to combat China or any other enemies is not the miluatry's highest priority
DEI indoctrination is encased in all three military academies.
it impacts our ability to counter China more than our Ukraine policy influences it.
A broken military is a crucial flaw. With a dysfunctional and ill prepared military, it doesn't matter
what our Ukraine policy is. We can't have any effective policies with a broken military.
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:25:44 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:argument. It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:04:28 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:53:04 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological
right now. Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability.
Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue. The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
All are issues best handled at local levels.ScottWThe loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay of
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.Need congress to act on that....but also best handled at the state level.
The damage is doneI think what happens in Ukraine has direct impact on China's calculation re Taiwan.
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
Not gonna happen.ScottWThese are problems affecting the entire country and need to be addressed in the national forum.
The border issues certainly are not local,Wasn't in sentence I was responding to. At the rate Biden is going, he'll have all of Trumps
policies on migrants back in place before '24.
We pick our priorities. I have mine and you have yours. Right now I'm looking more at Niki
after her pro-Ukraine speech.
DeSantis comments are thin but he seems to have wimped badly calling it a territorial dispute.
That was f'in nuts.
ScottWTwo days ago Sec Defense Austin proclaimed that DEI is the military's highest priority.
That means that readiness to combat China or any other enemies is not the miluatry's highest priority
DEI indoctrination is encased in all three military academies.
it impacts our ability to counter China more than our Ukraine policy influences it.
A broken military is a crucial flaw. With a dysfunctional and ill prepared military, it doesn't matter
what our Ukraine policy is. We can't have any effective policies with a broken military.
The loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay ofAll are issues best handled at local levels.
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.Need congress to act on that....but also best handled at the state level.
The damage is doneI think what happens in Ukraine has direct impact on China's calculation re Taiwan.
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term
consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
The loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our
children's minds, and the decay of American cities due to wokism ...
removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:argument. It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:25:44 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:04:28 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:53:04 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right ideological
right now. Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even DeSantis
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability.
Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue.
The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
All are issues best handled at local levels.ScottWThe loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay of
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.Need congress to act on that....but also best handled at the state level.
The damage is doneI think what happens in Ukraine has direct impact on China's calculation re Taiwan.
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
Not gonna happen.ScottWThese are problems affecting the entire country and need to be addressed in the national forum.
The border issues certainly are not local,Wasn't in sentence I was responding to. At the rate Biden is going, he'll have all of Trumps
policies on migrants back in place before '24.
We pick our priorities. I have mine and you have yours. Right now I'm looking more at Niki
after her pro-Ukraine speech.
DeSantis comments are thin but he seems to have wimped badly calling it a territorial dispute.
That was f'in nuts.
That's nuts too.ScottWTwo days ago Sec Defense Austin proclaimed that DEI is the military's highest priority.
That means that readiness to combat China or any other enemies is not the miluatry's highest priorityI don't see us going to war with China for one simple reason. It will be a war in the South China Sea
DEI indoctrination is encased in all three military academies.
and now and for the foreseeable future....we would lose that war.
And China knows it. Just as China would lose a war against us in the Gulf of Mexico or the Carribean Sea.
What they're trying to do is build a bunch of international relations
that would let them minimize damage by western sanctions.
it impacts our ability to counter China more than our Ukraine policy influences it.I don't think reversing DEI crap (which is nuts) in our military is going to fundamentally change
A broken military is a crucial flaw. With a dysfunctional and ill prepared military, it doesn't matter
what our Ukraine policy is. We can't have any effective policies with a broken military.
the military outcome of conflict with China over Taiwan. It's a war in their back yard that we
cannot win. Our military knows this and has been reporting the outcome of war games and simulations
for years. We lose. Only thing that has been changing is we lose faster.
So relying on our military to deter China when China knows it has the upper hand militarily is nuts too.
ScottW
Why do you accept a military weakened with DEI indoctrination?
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 7:58:40 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:ideological argument. It's more a pacifist versus the non-pacifists.
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:25:44 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:04:28 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:53:04 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:30:56 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:38:24 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:40:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
He did a long monologue on the opposition to support for Ukraine in the war.
While not calling out anyone specifically by name, he shredded Tucker.
It was a great monologue IMO and pointed out in great detail that this debate with all the false accusations from both sides from being pro-Putin to anti-American is not a partisan argument. It's not even a left vs right
DeSantis right now. Niki Haley caught my ear this week with a very pro Ukraine support speech and how slow Joe has been to provide much needed weaponry.Regardless, Levin is very pro support for Ukraine and read off a long litany of threats from Putin and his henchmen like Medvedev which makes the need to defeat Russian aggression crystal clear.
Is there a schism in the Republican party? Clearly. But I think that is largely in opposition to Biden. My own opposition to Joe is he has been too slow in providing assistance which is clearly different than Trump or even
He's drawn so many redlines in the levels of our assistance only to eventually rescind them. And in some cases they're contradictory.
He approved the delivery of JDAMs and even JDAM-ER but Ukraine has few planes to deliver them. Slovakia's done more than we have on that front.
Their 13 aircraft may nearly double the operational planes Ukraine has that can deliver a JDAM-ER on Russian targets.
BTW, This goes all the way back to Obama who refused any lethal aide to Ukraine so dems have had their major changes in policy and attitude toward Ukraine.
You may be right but I have to take exception to forced into a neocon role if I support Ukraine.ScottWI agree with everything you say except that the schism involves Biden.. I think it's an internal Republican
matter pitting neocons vs libertarian America Firsters. I am more of an America Firster, definitely not a neocon,
but I support Ukraine as it is i America's interest. Being an America Firster doesn't mean you
have to be an isolationist. Putting ourselves out into the world to promote our national interest is part of putting America first.
I opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars as lacking merit and winnability.
Regardless, if the outcome of this war is still in question dependent upon US support, I'm going with
Niki over what I've heard from Ron or Don.
IYO, My feeling is the border has long lasting domestic impact while the rest are transitoryScottWAlthough immensely important, Ukraine is not the primary issue.
The economy, the border, and insane wokism and gender obsessions top that.
while Ukraine falling will have long lasting worldwide impact.
All are issues best handled at local levels.ScottWThe loss of proper democratic elections, the poisoning of our children's minds, and the decay of
American cities due to wokism in police protection, homelessness and drug addiction are less transitory
than removing the sex organs of a thirteen year old nor just as easily reversed.Need congress to act on that....but also best handled at the state level.
The damage is doneI think what happens in Ukraine has direct impact on China's calculation re Taiwan.
and continue to accumulate even more, and has long term consequences. In foreign affairs, our dealings with China are much more important than with Russia.
Not gonna happen.ScottWThese are problems affecting the entire country and need to be addressed in the national forum.
The border issues certainly are not local,Wasn't in sentence I was responding to. At the rate Biden is going, he'll have all of Trumps
policies on migrants back in place before '24.
We pick our priorities. I have mine and you have yours. Right now I'm looking more at Niki
after her pro-Ukraine speech.
DeSantis comments are thin but he seems to have wimped badly calling it a territorial dispute.
That was f'in nuts.
That's nuts too.ScottWTwo days ago Sec Defense Austin proclaimed that DEI is the military's highest priority.
That means that readiness to combat China or any other enemies is not the miluatry's highest priorityI don't see us going to war with China for one simple reason. It will be a war in the South China Sea
DEI indoctrination is encased in all three military academies.
and now and for the foreseeable future....we would lose that war.
And China knows it. Just as China would lose a war against us in the Gulf of Mexico or the Carribean Sea.
What they're trying to do is build a bunch of international relations
that would let them minimize damage by western sanctions.
it impacts our ability to counter China more than our Ukraine policy influences it.I don't think reversing DEI crap (which is nuts) in our military is going to fundamentally change
A broken military is a crucial flaw. With a dysfunctional and ill prepared military, it doesn't matter
what our Ukraine policy is. We can't have any effective policies with a broken military.
the military outcome of conflict with China over Taiwan. It's a war in their back yard that we
cannot win. Our military knows this and has been reporting the outcome of war games and simulations
for years. We lose. Only thing that has been changing is we lose faster. So relying on our military to deter China when China knows it has the upper hand militarily is nuts too.
ScottWWhy do you accept a military weakened with DEI indoctrination?
Imminent war or not, it
would be a detriment to preparedness. It also affects the recruiting pool.
We already have a problem with that. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/every-branch-us-military-struggling-meet-2022-recruiting-goals-officia-rcna35078
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