• SDGE submits another rate increase to PUC

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 19:33:41 2023
    https://obrag.org/2023/03/sdge-asks-cpuc-for-nearly-1-billion-a-year-rate-increase/

    There is no end in sight.

    This is where the rest of the country is blindly headed while being lied to that energy will be cheaper from renewable sources.
    They say that because there is no fuel costs to run the plants.
    But it's not true. The construction costs and the maintenance costs (which are also turning out to be far hire than anyone projected) more than offset the operating (fuel and maintenance) costs of existing gas or nuclear plants. Add to this the apparent
    belief that fat profits are needed to keep capital acquisition costs low for the new plants.....and you get a whole lotta f'd consumers.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Mar 17 10:05:06 2023
    On 3/16/23 9:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://obrag.org/2023/03/sdge-asks-cpuc-for-nearly-1-billion-a-year-rate-increase/

    There is no end in sight.

    This is where the rest of the country is blindly headed while being
    lied to that energy will be cheaper from renewable sources. They say
    that because there is no fuel costs to run the plants. But it's not
    true. The construction costs and the maintenance costs (which are
    also turning out to be far hire than anyone projected) more than
    offset the operating (fuel and maintenance) costs of existing gas or
    nuclear plants. Add to this the apparent belief that fat profits are
    needed to keep capital acquisition costs low for the new
    plants.....and you get a whole lotta f'd consumers.

    Yes, the electricity may be cheaper but the capital construction still
    has to be paid for. Since that's how utilities make their money, be
    happy you support their shareholders.

    And "energy is cheaper" is a strawman. Old power plants will be retired
    due to age and replaced with something new no matter what.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 10:08:46 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 8:05:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/16/23 9:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://obrag.org/2023/03/sdge-asks-cpuc-for-nearly-1-billion-a-year-rate-increase/

    There is no end in sight.

    This is where the rest of the country is blindly headed while being
    lied to that energy will be cheaper from renewable sources. They say
    that because there is no fuel costs to run the plants. But it's not
    true. The construction costs and the maintenance costs (which are
    also turning out to be far hire than anyone projected) more than
    offset the operating (fuel and maintenance) costs of existing gas or nuclear plants. Add to this the apparent belief that fat profits are needed to keep capital acquisition costs low for the new
    plants.....and you get a whole lotta f'd consumers.
    Yes, the electricity may be cheaper but the capital construction still
    has to be paid for. Since that's how utilities make their money, be
    happy you support their shareholders.

    And "energy is cheaper" is a strawman. Old power plants will be retired
    due to age and replaced with something new no matter what.

    They can outlive you 10x over. When will Hoover dam be retired?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Mar 17 12:48:28 2023
    On 3/17/23 12:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 8:05:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/16/23 9:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://obrag.org/2023/03/sdge-asks-cpuc-for-nearly-1-billion-a-year-rate-increase/

    There is no end in sight.

    This is where the rest of the country is blindly headed while being
    lied to that energy will be cheaper from renewable sources. They say
    that because there is no fuel costs to run the plants. But it's not
    true. The construction costs and the maintenance costs (which are
    also turning out to be far hire than anyone projected) more than
    offset the operating (fuel and maintenance) costs of existing gas or
    nuclear plants. Add to this the apparent belief that fat profits are
    needed to keep capital acquisition costs low for the new
    plants.....and you get a whole lotta f'd consumers.
    Yes, the electricity may be cheaper but the capital construction still
    has to be paid for. Since that's how utilities make their money, be
    happy you support their shareholders.

    And "energy is cheaper" is a strawman. Old power plants will be retired
    due to age and replaced with something new no matter what.

    They can outlive you 10x over. When will Hoover dam be retired?

    That's real news! I had no idea Hoover (Boulder) Dam was to be retired
    and replaced. Maybe the dry lake bed can be the site of your proposed
    solar mega facility.

    Or are you just enjoying a bad faith misinterpretation of "old power
    plants" because I didn't specify coal or other carbon-using plants?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 16:03:30 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:48:30 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/17/23 12:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 8:05:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/16/23 9:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://obrag.org/2023/03/sdge-asks-cpuc-for-nearly-1-billion-a-year-rate-increase/

    There is no end in sight.

    This is where the rest of the country is blindly headed while being
    lied to that energy will be cheaper from renewable sources. They say
    that because there is no fuel costs to run the plants. But it's not
    true. The construction costs and the maintenance costs (which are
    also turning out to be far hire than anyone projected) more than
    offset the operating (fuel and maintenance) costs of existing gas or
    nuclear plants. Add to this the apparent belief that fat profits are
    needed to keep capital acquisition costs low for the new
    plants.....and you get a whole lotta f'd consumers.
    Yes, the electricity may be cheaper but the capital construction still
    has to be paid for. Since that's how utilities make their money, be
    happy you support their shareholders.

    And "energy is cheaper" is a strawman. Old power plants will be retired >> due to age and replaced with something new no matter what.

    They can outlive you 10x over. When will Hoover dam be retired?
    That's real news! I had no idea Hoover (Boulder) Dam was to be retired
    and replaced. Maybe the dry lake bed can be the site of your proposed
    solar mega facility.

    Or are you just enjoying a bad faith misinterpretation of "old power
    plants" because I didn't specify coal or other carbon-using plants?

    Same lie. Coal plants and Nat Gas as well as nuclear can all be refitted
    and continue operation indefinitely.
    But you'd rather spew BS lies to justify skyrocketing utility costs.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Mar 17 19:24:53 2023
    On 3/17/23 6:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:48:30 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    And "energy is cheaper" is a strawman. Old power plants will be retired >>>> due to age and replaced with something new no matter what.

    They can outlive you 10x over. When will Hoover dam be retired?
    That's real news! I had no idea Hoover (Boulder) Dam was to be retired
    and replaced. Maybe the dry lake bed can be the site of your proposed
    solar mega facility.

    Or are you just enjoying a bad faith misinterpretation of "old power
    plants" because I didn't specify coal or other carbon-using plants?

    Same lie. Coal plants and Nat Gas as well as nuclear can all be refitted
    and continue operation indefinitely.

    That costs money, too.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2023/01/30/99-of-us-coal-plants-are-more-expensive-than-new-renewables-a-coal-to-clean-transition-is-worth-589-billion-mostly-in-red-states/?sh=715053612510

    "The Coal Cost Crossover 3.0 analysis from Energy Innovation Policy & Technology LLC® and the University of California, Berkeley, shows IRA
    passage will substantially accelerate this trend. 209 out of 210
    existing U.S. coal plants are now more expensive to run compared to
    replacement by new cheaper wind or solar energy in the same region."

    But you'd rather spew BS lies to justify skyrocketing utility costs.

    You say "BS lies," I say, "correctly predicting the direction the market
    will follow."

    Skyrocketing utility cost is from new capital expenditures.

    That's coal. Natural gas will have a longer future, such as a new
    "peaker" plant being built in Central Texas.

    https://www.kvue.com/article/money/economy/new-lcra-peaker-plant-caldwell-county/269-79c1c668-923b-4aa2-a164-6ac097ec16fd

    Peaker is a new term to me, but it makes sense for those cloudy days.

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