and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16WkeaTry the original, although it's odd Salon wants to repost:
https://scheerpost.com/2023/01/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-the-war-that-went-wrong/
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.Try the original, although it's odd Salon wants to repost:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
https://scheerpost.com/2023/01/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-the-war-that-went-wrong/
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the right show consensus on the war.
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.Try the original, although it's odd Salon wants to repost:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
https://scheerpost.com/2023/01/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-the-war-that-went-wrong/
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the right show consensus on the war.The lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism on the left, pro-Russia on the right.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:We agree this is tankie.
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.Try the original, although it's odd Salon wants to repost:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
https://scheerpost.com/2023/01/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-the-war-that-went-wrong/
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the right show consensus on the war.The lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism on the left,
pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:We agree this is tankie.
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.Try the original, although it's odd Salon wants to repost:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
https://scheerpost.com/2023/01/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-the-war-that-went-wrong/
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the right show consensus on the war.The lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism on the left, >> pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the way, I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he said, “if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:No he was rooting for Russia. Your apology for him is lacking. IF he really meant to condemn the mdeia, he just should have said that directly
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>> On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:We agree this is tankie.
and sounds like Tucker.Try the original, although it's odd Salon wants to repost:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
https://scheerpost.com/2023/01/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-the-war-that-went-wrong/
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the right show consensus on the war.The lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism on the left, >> pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the way, I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he said, “if weSo out of context. Note the "if". He's was really condemning media etc for not allowing any discussion of problem in Ukraine.
have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
Forcing a choosing of sides with nothing in between. No discourse on unintended consequences....just punish the horrible Russian aggressor no matter
how many starve as a result etc. etc. Or his biggest peeve, the money and arms
are enriching the oligarchs making the peasants more subservient to them and weakening a fledgling democracy which he says is hard to even call a democracy
as US meddling to counter Russian meddling makes any outcome difficult to call
"the will of the people".
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy
Note...he was actually proven right by Zelensky who just fired a bunch of ministers for corruption which was Carlson's largest gripe.
I don't agree with Carlson's anti-Ukraine war stance, but it doesn't make him a Kremlin stooge.
Your regurgitating leftwing smears just really proves his point.
No discussion or analysis allowed....or as Tucker often says, "You're supposed to just sit down and shut-up."
There was time when liberals liked to take the high road and would never resort to personal smears
based on lies. When did you abandon any devotion to truth?
ScottW
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:30:08 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>> On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:We agree this is tankie.
and sounds like Tucker.Try the original, although it's odd Salon wants to repost:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
https://scheerpost.com/2023/01/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-the-war-that-went-wrong/
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the right show consensus on the war.The lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism on the left,
pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the way, I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he said, “if weSo out of context. Note the "if". He's was really condemning media etc for not allowing any discussion of problem in Ukraine.
have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
Forcing a choosing of sides with nothing in between. No discourse on unintended consequences....just punish the horrible Russian aggressor no matter
how many starve as a result etc. etc. Or his biggest peeve, the money and arms
are enriching the oligarchs making the peasants more subservient to them and
weakening a fledgling democracy which he says is hard to even call a democracy
as US meddling to counter Russian meddling makes any outcome difficult to call
"the will of the people".
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy
Note...he was actually proven right by Zelensky who just fired a bunch of ministers for corruption which was Carlson's largest gripe.
I don't agree with Carlson's anti-Ukraine war stance, but it doesn't make him a Kremlin stooge.
Your regurgitating leftwing smears just really proves his point.
No discussion or analysis allowed....or as Tucker often says, "You're supposed to just sit down and shut-up."
There was time when liberals liked to take the high road and would never resort to personal smears
based on lies. When did you abandon any devotion to truth?
ScottWNo he was rooting for Russia. Your apology for him is lacking.
IF he really meant to condemn the mdeia, he just should have said that directly
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the way, IThat's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the rightThe lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism on
show consensus on the war.
the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he said, “if
we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
So out of context. Note the "if".
He's was really condemning media etc for not allowing any discussion
of problem in Ukraine. Forcing a choosing of sides with nothing in
between. No discourse on unintended consequences....just punish the
horrible Russian aggressor no matter how many starve as a result etc.
etc. Or his biggest peeve, the money and arms are enriching the
oligarchs making the peasants more subservient to them and weakening
a fledgling democracy which he says is hard to even call a democracy
as US meddling to counter Russian meddling makes any outcome
difficult to call "the will of the people".
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy
Note...he was actually proven right by Zelensky who just fired a
bunch of ministers for corruption which was Carlson's largest gripe.
I don't agree with Carlson's anti-Ukraine war stance, but it doesn't
make him a Kremlin stooge. Your regurgitating leftwing smears just
really proves his point. No discussion or analysis allowed....or as
Tucker often says, "You're supposed to just sit down and shut-up."
There was time when liberals liked to take the high road and would
never resort to personal smears based on lies. When did you abandon
any devotion to truth?
On 2/2/23 9:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the way, IThat's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor the rightThe lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism on
show consensus on the war.
the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he said, “if >> we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
So out of context. Note the "if".Context is worse.
You just want to smear Tucker for his success on Fox.
Lying about what people really said isn't beyond your moral code.
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
On 2/2/23 9:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
Context is worse.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the way,That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor theThe lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism
right show consensus on the war.
on the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he said,
“if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
So out of context. Note the "if".
How could you know?
You don't watch and you only see what you see out of context apparently on Russian TV.
You just want to smear Tucker for his success on Fox. Lying about
what people really said isn't beyond your moral code. The bar sinks a
little lower for you.
Here's a difference between you and me by example. I absolutely
don't agree with Trucker on Ukraine. But I don't need to misrepresent
his position to denigrate him as a result.
On 2/4/23 12:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
On 2/2/23 9:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
Context is worse.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the way,That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor theThe lack of consensus is on the extremes. Anti-imperialism
right show consensus on the war.
on the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he said,
“if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
So out of context. Note the "if".
How could you know?Secondary sources.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-claims-he-was-only-joking-when-he-said-im-serious-why-shouldnt-i-root-for-russia-which-i-am/
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:47:42 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
On 2/4/23 12:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/2/23 9:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
Secondary sources.
Context is worse.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by theThat's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor theThe lack of consensus is on the extremes.
right show consensus on the war.
Anti-imperialism on the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
way, I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he
said, “if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
So out of context. Note the "if".
How could you know?
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-claims-he-was-only-joking-when-he-said-im-serious-why-shouldnt-i-root-for-russia-which-i-am/
and you needed a source for that. Maybe if actually watched you'd
have a better feeling for the real context. He was pulling your
chain....and you deserved it.
On 2/4/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:47:42 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
On 2/4/23 12:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/2/23 9:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
Secondary sources.
Context is worse.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by theThat's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor theThe lack of consensus is on the extremes.
right show consensus on the war.
Anti-imperialism on the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
way, I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he
said, “if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
So out of context. Note the "if".
How could you know?
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-claims-he-was-only-joking-when-he-said-im-serious-why-shouldnt-i-root-for-russia-which-i-am/
and you needed a source for that. Maybe if actually watched you'dThat would be a source, too. It's not that I've never seen Carlson. His
have a better feeling for the real context. He was pulling your chain....and you deserved it.
tone is deliberately provocative so I prefer to deal with his claims.
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:36:32 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/4/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:47:42 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
On 2/4/23 12:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/2/23 9:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
That would be a source, too. It's not that I've never seen Carlson. HisSecondary sources.
Context is worse.Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by theThat's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor theThe lack of consensus is on the extremes.
right show consensus on the war.
Anti-imperialism on the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
way, I am.”
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he
said, “if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.”
So out of context. Note the "if".
How could you know?
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-claims-he-was-only-joking-when-he-said-im-serious-why-shouldnt-i-root-for-russia-which-i-am/
and you needed a source for that. Maybe if actually watched you'd
have a better feeling for the real context. He was pulling your
chain....and you deserved it.
tone is deliberately provocative so I prefer to deal with his claims.
I don't like the tone of the other parties you rely on to "deal with his claims".
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitely
all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative.
It gets them viewers.
On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:36:32 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/4/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:47:42 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:The RT host? This a good example of tankie thought.
On 2/4/23 12:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:12 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/2/23 9:30 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:02:14 AM UTC-8, MINe109
wrote:
On 2/1/23 7:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 10:56 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:36:47 AM UTC-8,
MINe109 wrote:
On 2/1/23 12:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
and sounds like Tucker.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-believe-the-hype-ukraine-is-rapidly-becoming-another-war-gone-wrong/ar-AA16Wkea
That would be a source, too. It's not that I've never seen Carlson. His >> tone is deliberately provocative so I prefer to deal with his claims.Secondary sources.
Context is worse.So out of context. Note the "if".Carlson: “Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which, by the >>>>>>>> way, I am.”That's what I said...Salon goes tankie.We agree this is tankie.
So just a bit of reality...neither the left nor theThe lack of consensus is on the extremes.
right show consensus on the war.
Anti-imperialism on the left, pro-Russia on the right.
It is NOT pro-russian. It's isolationist.
“I think we should probably take the side of Russia,” he >>>>>>>> said, “if we have to choose between Russia and Ukraine.” >>>>>>>
How could you know?
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-claims-he-was-only-joking-when-he-said-im-serious-why-shouldnt-i-root-for-russia-which-i-am/
and you needed a source for that. Maybe if actually watched you'd
have a better feeling for the real context. He was pulling your
chain....and you deserved it.
I don't like the tone of the other parties you rely on to "deal with his claims".I guess I won't bring in those Wonkette and Smirking Chimp cites.
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitely all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative.Hence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte blanche?
It gets them viewers.
I'm more interested in facts and analysis so I don't feel the need to
watch something purely to get mad.
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitely >>> all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative.Hence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by
It gets them viewers.
pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte
blanche?
Simple devotion to the truth. Carlson isn't guilty of what you accuse him.
But if you want to discuss motive....perhaps you should start with Rachel's admiration
of what he's accomplished and what that reveals of her own perception of the business.
It's all just a show.
I'm more interested in facts and analysis so I don't feel the need to
watch something purely to get mad.
Facts and analysis never come free of baggage. Look at Trevor's recent tirade laced with his own subjective bias.
Anyway, I take 'em where I can find 'em and ignore the BS.
Otherwise you'll be left ignorant of a whole lot of stuff.
On 2/5/23 6:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitely >>> all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative. >>> It gets them viewers.Hence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by
pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte
blanche?
Simple devotion to the truth. Carlson isn't guilty of what you accuse him.I haven't accused him of anything.
I keep up.
I keep up.
Then why do I feel like I'm dragging your brain dead corpse through history at times?
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:34:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 6:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitelyHence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by
all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative. >>> It gets them viewers.
pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte >> blanche?
You just accused him of being provocative....duh.Simple devotion to the truth. Carlson isn't guilty of what you accuse him.I haven't accused him of anything.
I keep up.
Then why do I feel like I'm dragging your brain dead corpse through history at times?
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:06:21 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:34:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 6:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitelyHence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by >> pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte
all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative.
It gets them viewers.
blanche?
That was you: "definitely all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative."You just accused him of being provocative....duh.Simple devotion to the truth. Carlson isn't guilty of what you accuse him.I haven't accused him of anything.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:24:24 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:06:21 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:34:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 6:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitelyHence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by >> pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte
all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative.
It gets them viewers.
blanche?
i know Feb. 4 was a long time ago for you to remember what you said.That was you: "definitely all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative."You just accused him of being provocative....duh.Simple devotion to the truth. Carlson isn't guilty of what you accuse him.I haven't accused him of anything.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:52:23 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:24:24 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:06:21 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:34:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 6:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitelyHence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by
all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative.
It gets them viewers.
pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte
blanche?
If you have a point, make it.i know Feb. 4 was a long time ago for you to remember what you said.That was you: "definitely all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative."You just accused him of being provocative....duh.Simple devotion to the truth. Carlson isn't guilty of what you accuse him.I haven't accused him of anything.
Looks like there was a magazine on the left that could top Salon!
Following up on the far left meets far right on Russia, here's the
formerly unpublished article about The Nation killed by the CJR.
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/04/russia-and-the-us-press-the-article-the-cjr-didnt-publish/
Accusing the Russian government of committing an act of war by hacking
the Democratic National Committee, Cohen warned, might mean “the
necessity of actual war, conceivably nuclear war, against Russia.” He wrote that “villainizing the Kremlin—without much evidence—is increasing
the possibility of a US-Russian war.”
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:26:05 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:52:23 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:24:24 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:If you have a point, make it.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:06:21 AM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:i know Feb. 4 was a long time ago for you to remember what you said.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:34:42 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:That was you: "definitely all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative."
On 2/5/23 6:07 PM, ScottW wrote:You just accused him of being provocative....duh.
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/5/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:I haven't accused him of anything.
Maybe you haven't noticed....but almost all of cable news and definitelyHence your obsession with ratings. Why then do you defend Carlson by >>>>>>>> pretending he isn't trying to provoke? Or that "provocative" is a carte
all of the commentary programs like Tucker is deliberately provocative.
It gets them viewers.
blanche?
Simple devotion to the truth. Carlson isn't guilty of what you accuse him.
I really have to be that blunt? So tedious.....
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
Looks like there was a magazine on the left that could top Salon!
Following up on the far left meets far right on Russia, here's the
formerly unpublished article about The Nation killed by the CJR.
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/04/russia-and-the-us-press-the-article-the-cjr-didnt-publish/
Accusing the Russian government of committing an act of war by hacking
the Democratic National Committee, Cohen warned, might mean “the
necessity of actual war, conceivably nuclear war, against Russia.”
He wrote that “villainizing the Kremlin—without much evidence—is
increasing the possibility of a US-Russian war.”
And there ya go..."without much evidence".
Experts have long said if this was truly an external hack the NSA
computers would have records of the data exfiltration over the net.
But they apparently do not have that....which leads others to
conclude that this actual export via removal storage device which
makes it more likely an inside job.
But the idea of falsely accusing Russia could lead to significant
increased risk of nuclear war is about as suspect as marrying
Katrina.
I'm not sure what your point is if only to admit there are kooks on
both sides. For that I'll give you credit though I'm not sure why it
would deserve any.
On 2/6/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
Looks like there was a magazine on the left that could top Salon!
Following up on the far left meets far right on Russia, here's the
formerly unpublished article about The Nation killed by the CJR.
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/04/russia-and-the-us-press-the-article-the-cjr-didnt-publish/
Accusing the Russian government of committing an act of war by hacking
the Democratic National Committee, Cohen warned, might mean “the
necessity of actual war, conceivably nuclear war, against Russia.”
He wrote that “villainizing the Kremlin—without much evidence—is
increasing the possibility of a US-Russian war.”
And there ya go..."without much evidence".I go? I see you didn't read the actual article. Cohen dismissed the
evidence out-of-hand.
Experts have long said if this was truly an external hack the NSA computers would have records of the data exfiltration over the net.Yes, you didn't read it. Make that "experts." From the story:
But they apparently do not have that....which leads others to
conclude that this actual export via removal storage device which
makes it more likely an inside job.
The piece, “A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack,” with a sub-headline stating that it was “an inside job,” ran on the website of The Nation on August 9, 2017. “Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and
computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed [sic]
are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year,” Lawrence wrote, of information retrieved from DNC headquarters. “Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace
as we speak.”
Lawrence invented situations and people, got facts wrong, and made far-reaching claims without substantiation. Information that Lawrence described as “hard evidence” had, in reality, been manufactured by members of a Trump-supporting website, Disobedient Media, founded in
2017 by William Craddick, a former law student who claimed to have
started the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory. The primary source in Lawrence’s story, cited eighteen times, was an anonymous figure, a supposed forensic expert known as “Forensicator.” That name was created by Disobedient Media in consultation with Tim Leonard, a British hacker,
as an identity through which to present the “Forensicator report,” the document purporting to substantiate the “inside job” theory.
End quote.
You've internalized all this "evidence" without knowing it had been fabricated and amplified so skeptics such as you would draw false conclusions.
Despite being sourced from the right, it was The Nation
that published without the usual fact-checking.
More:
In his piece, Lawrence cited former intelligence officials, members of a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS),
stating that they endorsed the report’s claims. “It’s QED, theorem demonstrated,” William Binney, a former technical director at the
National Security Agency, was quoted as saying. Five days after the
Nation story ran, Binney went on Tucker Carlson Tonight to say that
official hacking reports were “not backed up by facts.” The appearance attracted the attention of President Trump, who instructed Mike Pompeo,
head of the Central Intelligence Agency, to meet with Binney. (Nothing
came of their discussion.)
When I met with Binney the next month, however, he told me that, when
the Lawrence piece was published, the VIPS had not actually checked the evidence or reasoning in the Forensicator report. When Binney
eventually looked into one of its key claims—that the stolen data could
be proven to have been copied directly at a computer on the east
coast—he changed his mind. There was “no evidence to prove where the copy was done”, he told me. The data “Forensicator” had given to VIPS had been “manipulated”, Binney said, and was “a fabrication”.
End quote.
But the idea of falsely accusing Russia could lead to significant increased risk of nuclear war is about as suspect as marrying
Katrina.
I'm not sure what your point is if only to admit there are kooks onIt was the subject of your original post: left-ish Salon's tankie tendencies.
both sides. For that I'll give you credit though I'm not sure why it
would deserve any.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:26:18 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/6/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:I go? I see you didn't read the actual article. Cohen dismissed the
Looks like there was a magazine on the left that could top Salon!
Following up on the far left meets far right on Russia, here's the
formerly unpublished article about The Nation killed by the CJR.
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/04/russia-and-the-us-press-the-article-the-cjr-didnt-publish/
Accusing the Russian government of committing an act of war by hacking >>>> the Democratic National Committee, Cohen warned, might mean “the
necessity of actual war, conceivably nuclear war, against Russia.”
He wrote that “villainizing the Kremlin—without much evidence—is >>>> increasing the possibility of a US-Russian war.”
And there ya go..."without much evidence".
evidence out-of-hand.
You cited the guy....not me.
Experts have long said if this was truly an external hack the NSAYes, you didn't read it. Make that "experts." From the story:
computers would have records of the data exfiltration over the net.
But they apparently do not have that....which leads others to
conclude that this actual export via removal storage device which
makes it more likely an inside job.
The piece, “A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC
Hack,” with a sub-headline stating that it was “an inside job,” ran on >> the website of The Nation on August 9, 2017. “Forensic investigators,
intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and
computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed [sic]
are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events
last year,” Lawrence wrote, of information retrieved from DNC
headquarters. “Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace
as we speak.”
Lawrence invented situations and people, got facts wrong, and made
far-reaching claims without substantiation. Information that Lawrence
described as “hard evidence” had, in reality, been manufactured by
members of a Trump-supporting website, Disobedient Media, founded in
2017 by William Craddick, a former law student who claimed to have
started the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory. The primary source in
Lawrence’s story, cited eighteen times, was an anonymous figure, a
supposed forensic expert known as “Forensicator.” That name was created >> by Disobedient Media in consultation with Tim Leonard, a British hacker,
as an identity through which to present the “Forensicator report,” the >> document purporting to substantiate the “inside job” theory.
End quote.
Sounds like a lot of BS attempts to smear what was widely reported
by numerous experts.
And IIRC, the DNC's own experts said they found spyware on the system,
and found data prepped for exfiltration...but no record of it ever being exfiltrated.
Something that isn't impossible to cover but wasn't a feature of the spyware. So how did it get out of the server? No one has proven it one way or another.
You've internalized all this "evidence" without knowing it had been
fabricated and amplified so skeptics such as you would draw false
conclusions.
And you've swallowed a story from a crowdfunding website who
won't even put an "About" on their website.
Very sketchy source and quite possibly a russian front.
Despite being sourced from the right, it was The Nation
that published without the usual fact-checking.
More:
...When I met with Binney the next month, however, he told me that, when
the Lawrence piece was published, the VIPS had not actually checked the
evidence or reasoning in the Forensicator report. When Binney
eventually looked into one of its key claims—that the stolen data could
be proven to have been copied directly at a computer on the east
coast—he changed his mind. There was “no evidence to prove where the
copy was done”, he told me. The data “Forensicator” had given to VIPS >> had been “manipulated”, Binney said, and was “a fabrication”.
End quote.
But the idea of falsely accusing Russia could lead to significantIt was the subject of your original post: left-ish Salon's tankie
increased risk of nuclear war is about as suspect as marrying
Katrina.
I'm not sure what your point is if only to admit there are kooks on
both sides. For that I'll give you credit though I'm not sure why it
would deserve any.
tendencies.
In rebuke of your claim Ukraine war opposition is all right-wing pro-russian based.
Mission accomplished, the horsehoes a ringer.
On 2/6/23 9:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:26:18 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 2/6/23 4:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:I go? I see you didn't read the actual article. Cohen dismissed the
Looks like there was a magazine on the left that could top Salon!
Following up on the far left meets far right on Russia, here's the
formerly unpublished article about The Nation killed by the CJR.
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/04/russia-and-the-us-press-the-article-the-cjr-didnt-publish/
Accusing the Russian government of committing an act of war by hacking >>>> the Democratic National Committee, Cohen warned, might mean “the
necessity of actual war, conceivably nuclear war, against Russia.” >>>> He wrote that “villainizing the Kremlin—without much evidence—is >>>> increasing the possibility of a US-Russian war.”
And there ya go..."without much evidence".
evidence out-of-hand.
You cited the guy....not me.I had the advantage of having read the article. The quote seemed to show
a far-left figure opposing anti-Russian questions which was my point.
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