• Some data for Stephen who thinks all water comes from snow

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 14:43:18 2023
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at 34% of
    capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Jan 6 09:35:36 2023
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at 34% of
    capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.

    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt? What a
    bizarre attempt at a gotcha. If the reservoirs are releasing snow melt
    to make room for rain runoff, isn't that a wash?

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-rainwater-lost-wet-winter-california-20190220-story.html

    tl/dr: rainfall generally runs off into the ocean

    That's specific to urban areas. The general rule is snow melt accounts
    for about a third of fresh water. Of course, some of the other sources
    such as the Colorado River themselves depend on snow melt.

    https://water.ca.gov/Programs/All-Programs/Climate-Change-Program/Climate-Change-and-Water

    https://www.watercalculator.org/footprint/importance-mountain-snowpack-water/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 14:36:25 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 7:35:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at 34%
    of capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.
    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt?

    Since you AGW believers think the Sierra's are snow free since 2015...
    shouldn't you be complaining about depending on snow melt?

    What a
    bizarre attempt at a gotcha. If the reservoirs are releasing snow melt
    to make room for rain runoff, isn't that a wash?



    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-rainwater-lost-wet-winter-california-20190220-story.html

    tl/dr: rainfall generally runs off into the ocean

    That's specific to urban areas.

    So with proper reservoirs, the "urban" areas could be more than self sufficient
    on water supply leaving the snow melt to agriculture.

    The general rule is snow melt accounts
    for about a third of fresh water.

    Who makes this shit up?
    The reality is our reservoir system is designed to capture 1/3 of it's storage from snow melt. And worse...it depends on a long slow snow melt.
    But it doesn't mean at all that the precipitation in the state is 1/3 snow.

    But here's the simple truth. You keep claiming that snow is going become rare. But nothing has been done to alter our dependence on snow.
    So WTF?

    And if you claim conservation is the answer I'll point out that agriculture production
    in the central valley is way down due to lack of water.
    The idiots like to point to the cash value of exports as holding their own.... while you pay a hefty price for ever less veggies.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Jan 7 09:38:24 2023
    On 1/6/23 4:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 7:35:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at 34%
    of capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.
    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt?

    Since you AGW believers

    You mean people who accept science?

    think the Sierra's are snow free since 2015...

    Who said that? Hint: not me.

    shouldn't you be complaining about depending on snow melt?

    I've suggested conservation, desalination, and recycling.

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-rainwater-lost-wet-winter-california-20190220-story.html

    tl/dr: rainfall generally runs off into the ocean

    That's specific to urban areas.

    So with proper reservoirs, the "urban" areas could be more than self sufficient
    on water supply leaving the snow melt to agriculture.

    If by "proper reservoir" you mean groundwater, yes, more could be done
    to avoid tapping into it.

    The general rule is snow melt accounts
    for about a third of fresh water.

    Who makes this shit up?

    It's not made up and you snipped where you would find the answer.

    The reality is our reservoir system is designed to capture 1/3 of it's storage from snow melt. And worse...it depends on a long slow snow melt.

    Isn't that the same thing?

    But it doesn't mean at all that the precipitation in the state is 1/3 snow.

    Who said that?

    But here's the simple truth. You keep claiming that snow is going become rare.

    I've never claimed snow is going to be rare.

    But nothing has been done to alter our dependence on snow.
    So WTF?

    WTF indeed. What are you on about with these strawmen?

    And if you claim conservation is the answer I'll point out that agriculture production
    in the central valley is way down due to lack of water.

    Aquifer depletion and poor management are to blame.

    https://fruitgrowers.com/water-challenges-facing-california-central-valley-farmlands/

    The idiots like to point to the cash value of exports as holding their own....

    Like who? I've never mentioned the cash value of exports holding their own.

    while you pay a hefty price for ever less veggies.

    Almonds, alfalfa, cotton...

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 10:12:20 2023
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/6/23 4:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 7:35:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at 34%
    of capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.
    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt?

    Since you AGW believers
    You mean people who accept science?
    think the Sierra's are snow free since 2015...
    Who said that? Hint: not me.

    What you say is not of any real importance since you only regurgitate.

    So now you'll have to regurgitate the revised scary prediction of no snow
    for California in 2050.

    Meanwhile I'll have to educate you on where your fruits and vegetables
    are grown.

    https://www.citizensjournal.us/california-produces-most-fruits-and-vegetables-in-u-s/

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jan 9 15:38:01 2023
    On 1/9/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/6/23 4:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 7:35:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at 34%
    of capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.
    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt?

    Since you AGW believers
    You mean people who accept science?
    think the Sierra's are snow free since 2015...
    Who said that? Hint: not me.

    What you say is not of any real importance since you only regurgitate.

    You tend to freak out when go beyond simple declarative statements or
    exact quotes, as demonstrated here when I said informally that snow melt
    is where California gets water. Note that this is not meant to be a
    definitive statement that it's the only source of water for California.
    You can tell this from context and by good faith reading.

    So now you'll have to regurgitate the revised scary prediction of no snow for California in 2050.

    Since you haven't shown anyone has made that prediction, I'll pass.

    Meanwhile I'll have to educate you on where your fruits and vegetables
    are grown.

    https://www.citizensjournal.us/california-produces-most-fruits-and-vegetables-in-u-s/

    I'm aware of California's agriculture and I don't taking that as a claim
    that you believe no fruits and vegetables are grown anywhere else.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 17:48:58 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/6/23 4:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 7:35:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at
    34% of capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.
    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt?

    Since you AGW believers
    You mean people who accept science?
    think the Sierra's are snow free since 2015...
    Who said that? Hint: not me.

    What you say is not of any real importance since you only regurgitate.
    You tend to freak out when go beyond simple declarative statements or
    exact quotes, as demonstrated here when I said informally that snow melt
    is where California gets water. Note that this is not meant to be a definitive statement that it's the only source of water for California.
    You can tell this from context and by good faith reading.

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency.
    Which was the point of my original post which you simply fail to get.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jan 10 11:05:19 2023
    On 1/9/23 7:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/6/23 4:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 7:35:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at
    34% of capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.
    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt?

    Since you AGW believers
    You mean people who accept science?
    think the Sierra's are snow free since 2015...
    Who said that? Hint: not me.

    What you say is not of any real importance since you only regurgitate.
    You tend to freak out when go beyond simple declarative statements or
    exact quotes, as demonstrated here when I said informally that snow melt
    is where California gets water. Note that this is not meant to be a
    definitive statement that it's the only source of water for California.
    You can tell this from context and by good faith reading.

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency.

    Unless you count the proposals for desalination, conservation and
    improved water management.

    Which was the point of my original post which you simply fail to get.
    Wasn't your original complaint that managers were releasing water in
    order to make room for the torrential rains expected? Something else
    about not wanting water to run downhill to the ocean? Flood control
    seems like a good idea. How many of California's rivers are wild?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 09:12:03 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:05:21 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/6/23 4:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 7:35:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/5/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Since Dec. 30, downtown Sacramento has measured over 4 inches of rain. Many locations in the Foothills picked up 8 to 12 inches in that same timeframe.

    All of that rain has been flowing into reservoirs around the region and storage levels continue to rise.

    As of Thursday morning, inflows into Lake Shasta were around 7,400 cfs with storage levels increasing by about 11,000 acre-feet. Lake Shasta is California's largest reservoir with a total capacity of over 4 million acre-feet. It is currently at
    34% of capacity.

    Farther south, Lake Oroville's storage increased by more than 21,000 acre-feet. Oroville is now at 39% of its total capacity which is 74% of the average for today's date.
    Weren't you just complaining about depending on snow melt?

    Since you AGW believers
    You mean people who accept science?
    think the Sierra's are snow free since 2015...
    Who said that? Hint: not me.

    What you say is not of any real importance since you only regurgitate. >> You tend to freak out when go beyond simple declarative statements or
    exact quotes, as demonstrated here when I said informally that snow melt >> is where California gets water. Note that this is not meant to be a
    definitive statement that it's the only source of water for California. >> You can tell this from context and by good faith reading.

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency.
    Unless you count the proposals for desalination,

    More rejected than accepted.

    conservation and
    improved water management.

    Same 'ol BS of non-solutions.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jan 10 11:22:17 2023
    On 1/10/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:05:21 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:48 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency. >> Unless you count the proposals for desalination,

    More rejected than accepted.

    Sure! But not "doing nothing to alter that dependency."

    conservation and improved water management.

    Same 'ol BS of non-solutions.

    On the contrary, they're great, especially for the cost.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 11 15:53:58 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:22:18 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:05:21 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:48 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency. >> Unless you count the proposals for desalination,

    More rejected than accepted.
    Sure! But not "doing nothing to alter that dependency."

    LoL. I just spit in my yard and altered my dependency upon
    my irrigation system.

    conservation and improved water management.

    Same 'ol BS of non-solutions.
    On the contrary, they're great, especially for the cost.

    You can have your cheap shitty life.
    No fresh veggies, no fruit, 100 watts of power to cook your stale
    no meat dehydrated soy protein (that's not even gonna
    crank up your microwave). Enjoy it. You earned it.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jan 12 10:02:33 2023
    On 1/11/23 5:53 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:22:18 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:05:21 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:48 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency. >>>> Unless you count the proposals for desalination,

    More rejected than accepted.
    Sure! But not "doing nothing to alter that dependency."

    LoL. I just spit in my yard and altered my dependency upon
    my irrigation system.

    Are you in Sacramento?

    conservation and improved water management.

    Same 'ol BS of non-solutions.
    On the contrary, they're great, especially for the cost.

    You can have your cheap shitty life.
    No fresh veggies, no fruit, 100 watts of power to cook your stale
    no meat dehydrated soy protein (that's not even gonna
    crank up your microwave). Enjoy it. You earned it.

    Someone's jumping to conclusions. Your dystopia is more likely to happen
    after a collapse brought about by the failure of "free market" solutions.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 15:45:37 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:02:35 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/11/23 5:53 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:22:18 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:05:21 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:48 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency.
    Unless you count the proposals for desalination,

    More rejected than accepted.
    Sure! But not "doing nothing to alter that dependency."

    LoL. I just spit in my yard and altered my dependency upon
    my irrigation system.
    Are you in Sacramento?

    Apparently, my trifling with your diminished dependency claim was too subtle.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Jan 13 09:38:10 2023
    On 1/12/23 5:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:02:35 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/11/23 5:53 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:22:18 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/10/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:05:21 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/9/23 7:48 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Yet the moron's in Sacramento are doing nothing to alter that dependency.
    Unless you count the proposals for desalination,

    More rejected than accepted.
    Sure! But not "doing nothing to alter that dependency."

    LoL. I just spit in my yard and altered my dependency upon
    my irrigation system.
    Are you in Sacramento?

    Apparently, my trifling with your diminished dependency claim was too subtle.

    I wonder if you should be playing the subtlety card on this. How does
    your action in San Diego affect the "moron's" (sic) in Sacramento?

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