• And we have a new blame for drought

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 3 23:28:04 2023
    stupid rules.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/getting-answers-why-are-dams-releasing-water-in-a-drought/

    Meanwhile enough water has just run down the LA (concrete) River into the Pacific to supply all of LAs water needs for a year.

    “When you look at the Los Angeles River being between 50% and 70% full during a storm, you realize that more water is running down the river into the ocean than what Los Angeles would use in close to a year,” said Mark Gold, associate vice chancellor
    for environment and sustainability at UCLA. “What a waste of water supply.”

    That's a need that is currently met by pumping water from far north. Those pumps consume 1/3 of Ca. electricity.
    We spend more money on keeping homeless methheads high than on increasing Ca. water infrastructure.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jan 4 10:26:03 2023
    On 1/4/23 1:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
    stupid rules.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/getting-answers-why-are-dams-releasing-water-in-a-drought/

    We can add water management to the list of subjects in which Scott is
    expert. Where do you propose storing the snow melt when it arrives?

    Meanwhile enough water has just run down the LA (concrete) River
    into the Pacific to supply all of LAs water needs for a year.

    Where would you store all that water?

    “When you look at the Los Angeles River being between 50% and 70%
    full during a storm, you realize that more water is running down the
    river into the ocean than what Los Angeles would use in close to a
    year,” said Mark Gold, associate vice chancellor for environment and sustainability at UCLA. “What a waste of water supply.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam

    That's a need that is currently met by pumping water from far north.
    Those pumps consume 1/3 of Ca. electricity. We spend more money on
    keeping homeless methheads high than on increasing Ca. water
    infrastructure.

    I'm pretty sure that last claim is incorrect.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 10:27:11 2023
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/4/23 1:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
    stupid rules.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/getting-answers-why-are-dams-releasing-water-in-a-drought/

    We can add water management to the list of subjects in which Scott is expert. Where do you propose storing the snow melt when it arrives?

    We obviously need more and larger reservoirs or get off the snow melt dependency.
    But neither is happening.

    Meanwhile enough water has just run down the LA (concrete) River
    into the Pacific to supply all of LAs water needs for a year.
    Where would you store all that water?
    “When you look at the Los Angeles River being between 50% and 70%
    full during a storm, you realize that more water is running down the
    river into the ocean than what Los Angeles would use in close to a year,” said Mark Gold, associate vice chancellor for environment and sustainability at UCLA. “What a waste of water supply.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam
    That's a need that is currently met by pumping water from far north.
    Those pumps consume 1/3 of Ca. electricity. We spend more money on
    keeping homeless methheads high than on increasing Ca. water infrastructure.
    I'm pretty sure that last claim is incorrect.

    A little...that's peak demand percentage which is an issue when rolling blackouts
    are required. Those pumps really can't be just shutdown.
    But the total consumption is still around 1/5, by far the largest consumer of electricity.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 11:16:37 2023
    “The American River is a pretty big basin and Folsom is not really a big reservoir, so it was coming up a foot an hour” at times, Bader said.

    Big river... little reservoir. Great!

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jan 5 09:44:55 2023
    On 1/4/23 12:27 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/4/23 1:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
    stupid rules.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/getting-answers-why-are-dams-releasing-water-in-a-drought/

    We can add water management to the list of subjects in which Scott is
    expert. Where do you propose storing the snow melt when it arrives?

    We obviously need more and larger reservoirs or get off the snow melt dependency.
    But neither is happening.

    Snow melt is where California's water comes from. More reservoirs?
    Pretty much every river in CA is dammed for flood control already.

    It's much easier to "add capacity" by reducing consumption.

    Meanwhile enough water has just run down the LA (concrete) River
    into the Pacific to supply all of LAs water needs for a year.
    Where would you store all that water?
    “When you look at the Los Angeles River being between 50% and 70%
    full during a storm, you realize that more water is running down the
    river into the ocean than what Los Angeles would use in close to a
    year,” said Mark Gold, associate vice chancellor for environment and
    sustainability at UCLA. “What a waste of water supply.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam
    That's a need that is currently met by pumping water from far north.
    Those pumps consume 1/3 of Ca. electricity. We spend more money on
    keeping homeless methheads high than on increasing Ca. water
    infrastructure.
    I'm pretty sure that last claim is incorrect.

    A little...that's peak demand percentage which is an issue when rolling blackouts
    are required. Those pumps really can't be just shutdown.

    That wasn't the incorrect side of the equation.

    But the total consumption is still around 1/5, by far the largest consumer of electricity.

    If you want to use the Los Angeles River, here's Mr Sustainability, Mark
    Gold:

    https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-study-los-angeles-independence-from-imported-water

    “Los Angeles needs to reduce local water demand while also transforming
    its water supply infrastructure to maximize recycled water, groundwater
    supply and stormwater capture.”

    That proposal suggests rather than a megaproject like a reservoir, "tens
    of thousands to hundreds of thousands of treatment and infiltration
    devices," ie bioretention ponds.

    If you're bemoaning water "lost," there's hope:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/california-cover-canal-with-solar-panels-experiment-fight-drought-climate-change-2022-08-25/

    "California is about to launch an experiment to cover aqueducts with
    solar panels, a plan that if scaled up might save billions of gallons of otherwise evaporated water while powering millions of homes."

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jan 5 09:40:05 2023
    On 1/4/23 1:16 PM, ScottW wrote:
    “The American River is a pretty big basin and Folsom is not really a big reservoir, so it was coming up a foot an hour” at times, Bader said.

    Big river... little reservoir. Great!

    No worries. They made room.

    https://www.abc10.com/article/weather/flooding/water-released-folsom-nimbus-dams/103-c19b636d-6e38-4c2e-84a0-d6c3edb9b0eb

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 14:31:16 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:40:07 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/4/23 1:16 PM, ScottW wrote:
    “The American River is a pretty big basin and Folsom is not really a big reservoir, so it was coming up a foot an hour” at times, Bader said.

    Big river... little reservoir. Great!
    No worries. They made room.

    https://www.abc10.com/article/weather/flooding/water-released-folsom-nimbus-dams/103-c19b636d-6e38-4c2e-84a0-d6c3edb9b0eb

    If humanity depended upon you for survival.....

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 14:34:23 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:44:58 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/4/23 12:27 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 8:26:06 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 1/4/23 1:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
    stupid rules.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/getting-answers-why-are-dams-releasing-water-in-a-drought/

    We can add water management to the list of subjects in which Scott is
    expert. Where do you propose storing the snow melt when it arrives?

    We obviously need more and larger reservoirs or get off the snow melt dependency.
    But neither is happening.
    Snow melt is where California's water comes from.

    Obviously not all of it. The current floods across the state are not from snow melt.

    I've started my own water conservation pac. It's first action is to ban water from
    non-critical to society consumers....like piano players.

    ScottW

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