With a total of 51,011 Cleveland Clinic Health System employees, 20689 (41%) had a previous documented episode of COVID-19, and 42,064 (83%) received at least two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19 occurred in 2452 (5%) during the study. In abombshell finding (but not surprising given growing data), the risk of COVID-19 increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode, and importantly, with the number of vaccine doses previously received.
So digest this....the vaxx doesn't prevent you from getting covid. But it does make the decline of natural immunity over time from your previous covid case....faster.
The case against the vaxx for anyone but those with significant high risk comorbidity grows.
I'm vaxxed and double boosted from a year ago. No more.
My sister (a nurse) stopped after one booster after seeing the side effects in women.
BTW....my wife and son both got pneumonia last summer after being vaxxed. His minor, her case was serious. Evidence the vaxx decreases immune response to non-covid infections...hence the spike in excess deaths.
Vaxx the vulnerable...fine.
Vaxxing everyone to stop the spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
ScottW
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 1:39:57 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:bombshell finding (but not surprising given growing data), the risk of COVID-19 increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode, and importantly, with the number of vaccine doses previously received.
With a total of 51,011 Cleveland Clinic Health System employees, 20689 (41%) had a previous documented episode of COVID-19, and 42,064 (83%) received at least two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19 occurred in 2452 (5%) during the study. In a
So digest this....the vaxx doesn't prevent you from getting covid. But it does make the decline of natural immunity over time from your previous covid case....faster.
The case against the vaxx for anyone but those with significant high risk comorbidity grows.
I'm vaxxed and double boosted from a year ago. No more.
My sister (a nurse) stopped after one booster after seeing the side effects in women.
BTW....my wife and son both got pneumonia last summer after being vaxxed. His minor, her case was serious. Evidence the vaxx decreases immune response to non-covid infections...hence the spike in excess deaths.
Vaxx the vulnerable...fine.
Vaxxing everyone to stop the spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
ScottWan expert got this 'vaxx suppresses natural immunity'
thing right a long time ago. Pre Covid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
With a total of 51,011 Cleveland Clinic Health System employees,
20689 (41%) had a previous documented episode of COVID-19, and 42,064
(83%) received at least two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19
occurred in 2452 (5%) during the study. In a bombshell finding (but
not surprising given growing data), the risk of COVID-19 increased
with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode, and
importantly, with the number of vaccine doses previously received.
So digest this....the vaxx doesn't prevent you from getting covid.
But it does make the decline of natural immunity over time from your
previous covid case....faster.
The case against the vaxx for anyone but those with significant high
risk comorbidity grows.
I'm vaxxed and double boosted from a year ago. No more. My sister (a
nurse) stopped after one booster after seeing the side effects in
women. BTW....my wife and son both got pneumonia last summer after
being vaxxed. His minor, her case was serious. Evidence the vaxx
decreases immune response to non-covid infections...hence the spike
in excess deaths.
Vaxx the vulnerable...fine. Vaxxing everyone to stop the
spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
On 1/1/23 12:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
With a total of 51,011 Cleveland Clinic Health System employees,Base rate fallacy.
20689 (41%) had a previous documented episode of COVID-19, and 42,064
(83%) received at least two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19
occurred in 2452 (5%) during the study. In a bombshell finding (but
not surprising given growing data), the risk of COVID-19 increased
with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode, and
importantly, with the number of vaccine doses previously received.
So digest this....the vaxx doesn't prevent you from getting covid.
But it does make the decline of natural immunity over time from your previous covid case....faster.
The case against the vaxx for anyone but those with significant high
risk comorbidity grows.
I'm vaxxed and double boosted from a year ago. No more. My sister (a
nurse) stopped after one booster after seeing the side effects in
women. BTW....my wife and son both got pneumonia last summer after
being vaxxed. His minor, her case was serious. Evidence the vaxx
decreases immune response to non-covid infections...hence the spike
in excess deaths.
Something else that decreases immune response: COVID infection.
Vaxx the vulnerable...fine. Vaxxing everyone to stop theLong lasting consequences = saving lives
spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 7:40:01 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/1/23 12:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
With a total of 51,011 Cleveland Clinic Health System employees,Base rate fallacy.
20689 (41%) had a previous documented episode of COVID-19, and 42,064
(83%) received at least two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19
occurred in 2452 (5%) during the study. In a bombshell finding (but
not surprising given growing data), the risk of COVID-19 increased
with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode, and
importantly, with the number of vaccine doses previously received.
Unsupported claim rejected.
So digest this....the vaxx doesn't prevent you from getting covid.
But it does make the decline of natural immunity over time from your
previous covid case....faster.
The case against the vaxx for anyone but those with significant high
risk comorbidity grows.
I'm vaxxed and double boosted from a year ago. No more. My sister (a
nurse) stopped after one booster after seeing the side effects in
women. BTW....my wife and son both got pneumonia last summer after
being vaxxed. His minor, her case was serious. Evidence the vaxx
decreases immune response to non-covid infections...hence the spike
in excess deaths.
Something else that decreases immune response: COVID infection.
So getting vaxxed and still getting covid is a double whammy on your immune response.
Good to know.
Vaxx the vulnerable...fine. Vaxxing everyone to stop theLong lasting consequences = saving lives
spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
As excess mortality not due to covid lingers on....forever.
On 1/2/23 11:20 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 7:40:01 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/1/23 12:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
With a total of 51,011 Cleveland Clinic Health System employees,Base rate fallacy.
20689 (41%) had a previous documented episode of COVID-19, and 42,064
(83%) received at least two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19
occurred in 2452 (5%) during the study. In a bombshell finding (but
not surprising given growing data), the risk of COVID-19 increased
with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode, and
importantly, with the number of vaccine doses previously received.
Unsupported claim rejected.Says the one who just posted an unsupported claim. Perhaps you've
forgotten why we're supposed to get vaccine boosters.
So digest this....the vaxx doesn't prevent you from getting covid.
But it does make the decline of natural immunity over time from your
previous covid case....faster.
The case against the vaxx for anyone but those with significant high
risk comorbidity grows.
I'm vaxxed and double boosted from a year ago. No more. My sister (a
nurse) stopped after one booster after seeing the side effects in
women. BTW....my wife and son both got pneumonia last summer after
being vaxxed. His minor, her case was serious. Evidence the vaxx
decreases immune response to non-covid infections...hence the spike
in excess deaths.
Something else that decreases immune response: COVID infection.
So getting vaxxed and still getting covid is a double whammy on your immune response.Not shown. Vaccination still protects against the worst cases.
Good to know.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/covid-19-immune-response-improves-months-after-vaccination
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-booster-prompts-good-immune-response-except-after-recent-infection
"Among those who had breakthrough infections more than 90 days before
dose 3, RBD and S2 antibody levels were 2.3- and 1.7-fold higher after
the final dose than before. This finding, the study authors said,
"suggests that individuals with recent infection may already have
reached a maximum antibody level and thus did not produce a measurable response to dose-3.""
Vaxx the vulnerable...fine. Vaxxing everyone to stop theLong lasting consequences = saving lives
spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
As excess mortality not due to covid lingers on....forever.Look how far we've gone from looking to excess mortality to show how dangerous COVID is.
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/2/23 11:20 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-booster-prompts-good-immune-response-except-after-recent-infection
"Among those who had breakthrough infections more than 90 days before
dose 3, RBD and S2 antibody levels were 2.3- and 1.7-fold higher after
the final dose than before. This finding, the study authors said,
"suggests that individuals with recent infection may already have
reached a maximum antibody level and thus did not produce a measurable
response to dose-3.""
And there ya go. Catching covid is just as effective as the vax on developing immunity.
Look how far we've gone from looking to excess mortality to show howVaxx the vulnerable...fine. Vaxxing everyone to stop theLong lasting consequences = saving lives
spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
As excess mortality not due to covid lingers on....forever.
dangerous COVID is.
Covid isn't dangerous anymore. But you remain in your panic.
On 1/3/23 6:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/2/23 11:20 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-booster-prompts-good-immune-response-except-after-recent-infection
"Among those who had breakthrough infections more than 90 days before
dose 3, RBD and S2 antibody levels were 2.3- and 1.7-fold higher after
the final dose than before. This finding, the study authors said,
"suggests that individuals with recent infection may already have
reached a maximum antibody level and thus did not produce a measurable
response to dose-3.""
And there ya go. Catching covid is just as effective as the vax on developing immunity.Stop playing word games and look at the science. The current CDC conclusion:
"Multiple studies in different settings have consistently shown that infection with SARS-CoV-2 and vaccination each result in a low risk of subsequent infection with antigenically similar variants for at least 6 months. Numerous immunologic studies and a growing number of
epidemiologic studies have shown that vaccinating previously infected individuals significantly enhances their immune response and effectively reduces the risk of subsequent infection, including in the setting of increased circulation of more infectious variants."
Look how far we've gone from looking to excess mortality to show howVaxx the vulnerable...fine. Vaxxing everyone to stop theLong lasting consequences = saving lives
spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences.
As excess mortality not due to covid lingers on....forever.
dangerous COVID is.
Covid isn't dangerous anymore. But you remain in your panic.The latest death rate is about 2,500 per week and that's surely an undercount.
The latest death rate is about 2,500 per week and that's surely an undercount.
Just a smidge more than fentanyl kills and nobody seems to give a shit about that.
On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 8:15:20 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
On 1/3/23 6:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
Stop playing word games and look at the science. The current CDC conclusion: >>
"Multiple studies in different settings have consistently shown that
infection with SARS-CoV-2 and vaccination each result in a low risk of
subsequent infection with antigenically similar variants for at least 6
months. Numerous immunologic studies and a growing number of
epidemiologic studies have shown that vaccinating previously infected
individuals significantly enhances their immune response and effectively
reduces the risk of subsequent infection, including in the setting of
increased circulation of more infectious variants."
LoL....that last line turned out to be totally wrong.
The latest death rate is about 2,500 per week and that's surely anLook how far we've gone from looking to excess mortality to show howVaxx the vulnerable...fine. Vaxxing everyone to stop the
spread.....huge failure, a mistake with long lasting consequences. >>>>>> Long lasting consequences = saving lives
As excess mortality not due to covid lingers on....forever.
dangerous COVID is.
Covid isn't dangerous anymore. But you remain in your panic.
undercount.
Just a smidge more than fentanyl kills and nobody seems to give a shit about that.
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