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  • Masks still don't work

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 2 14:58:11 2022
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    A couple great quotes here.

    Lawyer Jenin Younes, whose New Civil Liberties Alliance joined Schmitt and Louisiana AG Jeff Landry in the litigation, told The Epoch Times Fauci also couldn't cite what "studies or study changed his mind in that interim" between his private opposition
    to masking in February 2020 and public embrace of masking in April.

    So much for "I am science" Fauci.

    and this one made me laugh.

    "As one doctor told me, 'If you can wear an N95 for more than about 30 minutes you are wearing it wrong,'" tweeted George Mason University law professor Todd Zywicki

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Dec 2 18:57:34 2022
    On 12/2/22 4:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    "Gotcha" quotes aren't science.

    NYT, reprinted sans paywall:

    https://buffalonews.com/masking-mandates-linked-to-significantly-reduced-covid-cases-in-schools-study-finds/article_203d4b14-70b8-5330-8222-c3ccd70a8714.html

    "Now a research paper details a so-called natural experiment that
    occurred when all but two school districts in the greater Boston area
    lifted mask requirements in the spring. Researchers took that
    opportunity to make a direct comparison of the spread of Covid-19 in
    masking and nonmasking schools. The bottom line: Masking mandates were
    linked with significantly reduced numbers of Covid cases in schools."

    The paper:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 2 18:56:19 2022
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 4:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    "Gotcha" quotes aren't science.

    NYT, reprinted sans paywall:

    https://buffalonews.com/masking-mandates-linked-to-significantly-reduced-covid-cases-in-schools-study-finds/article_203d4b14-70b8-5330-8222-c3ccd70a8714.html

    "Now a research paper details a so-called natural experiment that
    occurred when all but two school districts in the greater Boston area
    lifted mask requirements in the spring. Researchers took that
    opportunity to make a direct comparison of the spread of Covid-19 in
    masking and nonmasking schools. The bottom line: Masking mandates were
    linked with significantly reduced numbers of Covid cases in schools."

    The paper:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029

    These studies are completely different.
    One is no mask vs any mask while the other is rigorous pro N-95 use vs surgical which Lord Fauci god of science himself said are not useful.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Dec 3 09:41:09 2022
    On 12/2/22 8:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 4:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    "Gotcha" quotes aren't science.

    NYT, reprinted sans paywall:

    https://buffalonews.com/masking-mandates-linked-to-significantly-reduced-covid-cases-in-schools-study-finds/article_203d4b14-70b8-5330-8222-c3ccd70a8714.html

    "Now a research paper details a so-called natural experiment that
    occurred when all but two school districts in the greater Boston area
    lifted mask requirements in the spring. Researchers took that
    opportunity to make a direct comparison of the spread of Covid-19 in
    masking and nonmasking schools. The bottom line: Masking mandates were
    linked with significantly reduced numbers of Covid cases in schools."

    The paper:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029

    These studies are completely different.

    Yes. One has something to do with your subject line but it's not the one
    you cited.

    One is no mask vs any mask while the other is rigorous pro N-95 use vs surgical
    which Lord Fauci god of science himself said are not useful.

    One proves both are equally effective, the other that any masking is
    effective.

    A different take on the study you just endorsed:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/11/221129184442.htm

    "Summary: Surgical masks are not inferior to N95 masks for stopping the
    spread of COVID-19, according to a new study. The results follow the
    tracking of 1,009 health-care workers providing COVID-19 patient care at
    29 sites in Canada, Egypt, Israel and Pakistan between May 2020 and
    March 2022."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 3 09:51:13 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 8:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 4:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    "Gotcha" quotes aren't science.

    NYT, reprinted sans paywall:

    https://buffalonews.com/masking-mandates-linked-to-significantly-reduced-covid-cases-in-schools-study-finds/article_203d4b14-70b8-5330-8222-c3ccd70a8714.html

    "Now a research paper details a so-called natural experiment that
    occurred when all but two school districts in the greater Boston area
    lifted mask requirements in the spring. Researchers took that
    opportunity to make a direct comparison of the spread of Covid-19 in
    masking and nonmasking schools. The bottom line: Masking mandates were
    linked with significantly reduced numbers of Covid cases in schools."

    The paper:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029

    These studies are completely different.
    Yes. One has something to do with your subject line but it's not the one
    you cited.
    One is no mask vs any mask while the other is rigorous pro N-95 use vs surgical
    which Lord Fauci god of science himself said are not useful.
    One proves both are equally effective, the other that any masking is effective.

    A different take on the study you just endorsed:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/11/221129184442.htm

    "Summary: Surgical masks are not inferior to N95 masks for stopping the spread of COVID-19, according to a new study. The results follow the
    tracking of 1,009 health-care workers providing COVID-19 patient care at
    29 sites in Canada, Egypt, Israel and Pakistan between May 2020 and
    March 2022."

    Or N95 masks are not superior....
    Yet we've been told something else.

    Meanwhile, the current flu and childrens RSV are being attributed to reduced or suppressed immunity due to years of masking.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Dec 3 16:00:31 2022
    On 12/3/22 11:51 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 8:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 4:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    "Gotcha" quotes aren't science.

    NYT, reprinted sans paywall:

    https://buffalonews.com/masking-mandates-linked-to-significantly-reduced-covid-cases-in-schools-study-finds/article_203d4b14-70b8-5330-8222-c3ccd70a8714.html

    "Now a research paper details a so-called natural experiment that
    occurred when all but two school districts in the greater Boston area
    lifted mask requirements in the spring. Researchers took that
    opportunity to make a direct comparison of the spread of Covid-19 in
    masking and nonmasking schools. The bottom line: Masking mandates were >>>> linked with significantly reduced numbers of Covid cases in schools."

    The paper:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/11/221129184442.htm

    "Summary: Surgical masks are not inferior to N95 masks for stopping the
    spread of COVID-19, according to a new study. The results follow the
    tracking of 1,009 health-care workers providing COVID-19 patient care at
    29 sites in Canada, Egypt, Israel and Pakistan between May 2020 and
    March 2022."

    Or N95 masks are not superior....
    Yet we've been told something else.

    "CONCLUSIONS
    Among school districts in the greater Boston area, the lifting of
    masking requirements was associated with an additional 44.9 Covid-19
    cases per 1000 students and staff during the 15 weeks after the
    statewide masking policy was rescinded."

    Meanwhile, the current flu and childrens RSV are being attributed to reduced or
    suppressed immunity due to years of masking.

    That's not how immunity works. It's not a muscle. However, COVID can
    weaken the immune system leading to more infections from flu, etc.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 3 17:35:04 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:35 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/3/22 11:51 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 8:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 4:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    "Gotcha" quotes aren't science.

    NYT, reprinted sans paywall:

    https://buffalonews.com/masking-mandates-linked-to-significantly-reduced-covid-cases-in-schools-study-finds/article_203d4b14-70b8-5330-8222-c3ccd70a8714.html

    "Now a research paper details a so-called natural experiment that
    occurred when all but two school districts in the greater Boston area >>>> lifted mask requirements in the spring. Researchers took that
    opportunity to make a direct comparison of the spread of Covid-19 in >>>> masking and nonmasking schools. The bottom line: Masking mandates were >>>> linked with significantly reduced numbers of Covid cases in schools." >>>>
    The paper:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/11/221129184442.htm

    "Summary: Surgical masks are not inferior to N95 masks for stopping the
    spread of COVID-19, according to a new study. The results follow the
    tracking of 1,009 health-care workers providing COVID-19 patient care at >> 29 sites in Canada, Egypt, Israel and Pakistan between May 2020 and
    March 2022."

    Or N95 masks are not superior....
    Yet we've been told something else.
    "CONCLUSIONS
    Among school districts in the greater Boston area, the lifting of
    masking requirements was associated with an additional 44.9 Covid-19
    cases per 1000 students and staff during the 15 weeks after the
    statewide masking policy was rescinded."

    What exactly does "associated with" mean?
    Oh yeah...that's what they say when the study isn't random, blind, or controlled.
    Basic requirements of science.
    But I do think the community would be better served if you masked up....indefinitely.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 3 18:32:31 2022
    Baby Shmoo regresses even further.

    Among school districts in the greater Boston area, the lifting of
    masking requirements was associated with an additional 44.9 Covid-19
    cases per 1000

    What exactly does "associated with" mean?
    Oh yeah...that's what they say when the study isn't random, blind, or controlled.

    You're silly. What it does mean is the opposite of sane human beings with respect to you.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Dec 4 17:04:55 2022
    On 12/3/22 7:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:35 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/3/22 11:51 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 8:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 12/2/22 4:58 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/highest-protection-rigorous-international-study-n95-masks-upends

    "Gotcha" quotes aren't science.

    NYT, reprinted sans paywall:

    https://buffalonews.com/masking-mandates-linked-to-significantly-reduced-covid-cases-in-schools-study-finds/article_203d4b14-70b8-5330-8222-c3ccd70a8714.html

    "Now a research paper details a so-called natural experiment that
    occurred when all but two school districts in the greater Boston area >>>>>> lifted mask requirements in the spring. Researchers took that
    opportunity to make a direct comparison of the spread of Covid-19 in >>>>>> masking and nonmasking schools. The bottom line: Masking mandates were >>>>>> linked with significantly reduced numbers of Covid cases in schools." >>>>>>
    The paper:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/11/221129184442.htm

    "Summary: Surgical masks are not inferior to N95 masks for stopping the >>>> spread of COVID-19, according to a new study. The results follow the
    tracking of 1,009 health-care workers providing COVID-19 patient care at >>>> 29 sites in Canada, Egypt, Israel and Pakistan between May 2020 and
    March 2022."

    Or N95 masks are not superior....
    Yet we've been told something else.
    "CONCLUSIONS
    Among school districts in the greater Boston area, the lifting of
    masking requirements was associated with an additional 44.9 Covid-19
    cases per 1000 students and staff during the 15 weeks after the
    statewide masking policy was rescinded."

    What exactly does "associated with" mean?

    Where it happened.

    Oh yeah...that's what they say when the study isn't random, blind, or controlled.

    No, it's not.

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