I have some nice speakers made with remnants from Parts Express excess. 8 >inch woofers have a rubbery type surround. Just in the last two years the >surrounds started breaking what looks like tearing apart. I have redone the >two sets with rubber replacements think they are working well. Just
wondered if anyone knew what type of rubber they used. I guess they were
made in late 80s by Onkyo, so that would be about 30 years old. The driver >was on the front cover of a Speaker Builder Magazine with Keith Johnson.
I have some nice speakers made with remnants from Parts Express excess. 8
inch woofers have a rubbery type surround. Just in the last two years the
surrounds started breaking what looks like tearing apart. I have redone the >> two sets with rubber replacements think they are working well. Just
wondered if anyone knew what type of rubber they used. I guess they were
made in late 80s by Onkyo, so that would be about 30 years old. The driver >> was on the front cover of a Speaker Builder Magazine with Keith Johnson.
From what I've seen, speaker surrounds are most commonly made either
of a closed-cell foam, or of butyl rubber.
They are not necessarily interchangeable. Rubber surrounds are (I
believe) both heavier and stiffer than foam surrounds of the same
dimension. Their weight, and lower compliance can change the acoustic characteristics of the speaker - quite possibly enough to de-tune the speaker/enclosure relationship and throw off the speaker's frequency response. This would be more of an issue with vented/ported/
bass-reflex enclosures than with sealed (acoustic-suspension) systems.
Rubber surrounds seem to have a longer lifespan than foam surrounds,
but they can go bad over time. I had to replace the rubber surrounds
on a pair of 4" drivers in some Optimus AV mini-monitors - I believe
they'd been used outdoors, and sunlight and heat had caused the rubber surrounds to become stiff and brittle.
Dave Platt <dplatt@coop.radagast.org> wrote:
I have some nice speakers made with remnants from Parts Express excess. 8 >>> inch woofers have a rubbery type surround. Just in the last two years the >>> surrounds started breaking what looks like tearing apart. I have redone the >>> two sets with rubber replacements think they are working well. Just
wondered if anyone knew what type of rubber they used. I guess they were >>> made in late 80s by Onkyo, so that would be about 30 years old. The driver >>> was on the front cover of a Speaker Builder Magazine with Keith Johnson.
From what I've seen, speaker surrounds are most commonly made either
of a closed-cell foam, or of butyl rubber.
They are not necessarily interchangeable. Rubber surrounds are (I
believe) both heavier and stiffer than foam surrounds of the same
dimension. Their weight, and lower compliance can change the acoustic
characteristics of the speaker - quite possibly enough to de-tune the
speaker/enclosure relationship and throw off the speaker's frequency
response. This would be more of an issue with vented/ported/
bass-reflex enclosures than with sealed (acoustic-suspension) systems.
Rubber surrounds seem to have a longer lifespan than foam surrounds,
but they can go bad over time. I had to replace the rubber surrounds
on a pair of 4" drivers in some Optimus AV mini-monitors - I believe
they'd been used outdoors, and sunlight and heat had caused the rubber
surrounds to become stiff and brittle.
Someone on this group might have known about these drivers. I don't have
many rubber surrounded speakers, but these were a first for me. All of hese drivers seem to have failed about the same time regardless of use,
including being in original shipping container.
Greg
On 1/12/2020 1:28 pm, gregz wrote:
Dave Platt <dplatt@coop.radagast.org> wrote:
I have some nice speakers made with remnants from Parts Express
excess. 8
inch woofers have a rubbery type surround. Just in the last two
years the
surrounds started breaking what looks like tearing apart. I have
redone the
two sets with rubber replacements think they are working well. Just
wondered if anyone knew what type of rubber they used. I guess they
were
made in late 80s by Onkyo, so that would be about 30 years old. The
driver
was on the front cover of a Speaker Builder Magazine with Keith
Johnson.
From what I've seen, speaker surrounds are most commonly made either
of a closed-cell foam, or of butyl rubber.
They are not necessarily interchangeable. Rubber surrounds are (I
believe) both heavier and stiffer than foam surrounds of the same
dimension. Their weight, and lower compliance can change the acoustic
characteristics of the speaker - quite possibly enough to de-tune the
speaker/enclosure relationship and throw off the speaker's frequency
response. This would be more of an issue with vented/ported/
bass-reflex enclosures than with sealed (acoustic-suspension) systems.
Rubber surrounds seem to have a longer lifespan than foam surrounds,
but they can go bad over time. I had to replace the rubber surrounds
on a pair of 4" drivers in some Optimus AV mini-monitors - I believe
they'd been used outdoors, and sunlight and heat had caused the rubber
surrounds to become stiff and brittle.
Someone on this group might have known about these drivers. I don't have
many rubber surrounded speakers, but these were a first for me. All of
hese
drivers seem to have failed about the same time regardless of use,
including being in original shipping container.
Greg
Oxygen alone will break the foam surrounds down so it doesn't matter if
you use them or not, they last 20 - 30 years max depending on the
thickness of the material. (Unless they're stored in an oxygen-free atmosphere.)
Rubber surrounds can last 50 years. However if they're stored and not
used for a decade or so they'll go hard and brittle. Also UV light
and/or excess heat will cause similar degradation.
On 2/12/2020 5:39 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
Rubber surrounds can last 50 years. However if they're stored and not
used for a decade or so they'll go hard and brittle. Also UV light
and/or excess heat will cause similar degradation.
The butyl on my B110s on LS3-5As after 'just' 40 years-ish.
On 4/12/2020 7:08 am, geoff wrote:
On 2/12/2020 5:39 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
Rubber surrounds can last 50 years. However if they're stored and not
used for a decade or so they'll go hard and brittle. Also UV light
and/or excess heat will cause similar degradation.
The butyl on my B110s on LS3-5As after 'just' 40 years-ish.
My B139's and B110's are still fine after 45 years. Hope they last a bit longer. :-)
On 4/12/2020 7:08 am, geoff wrote:
On 2/12/2020 5:39 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
Rubber surrounds can last 50 years. However if they're stored and not used for a decade or so
they'll go hard and brittle. Also UV light and/or excess heat will cause similar degradation.
The butyl on my B110s on LS3-5As after 'just' 40 years-ish.
My B139's and B110's are still fine after 45 years. Hope they last a bit longer. :-)
On 4/12/2020 4:26 pm, Trevor wrote:
On 4/12/2020 7:08 am, geoff wrote:
On 2/12/2020 5:39 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
Rubber surrounds can last 50 years. However if they're stored and
not used for a decade or so they'll go hard and brittle. Also UV
light and/or excess heat will cause similar degradation.
The butyl on my B110s on LS3-5As after 'just' 40 years-ish.
My B139's and B110's are still fine after 45 years. Hope they last a
bit longer. :-)
Bailey TLs ?
On 4/12/2020 8:45 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
Odd. I don't see any text in this previous post I wrote about
Wharfedales. Does anyone else?
Anyway it turns out I had Dovedale IIIs, apparently quite a bit
different to the Dovedale 3s.
<https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/impressive-wharfedale-dovedale-3-speakers.513613/>
post 19 explains the difference.
On 4/12/2020 7:04 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 4/12/2020 8:45 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
Odd. I don't see any text in this previous post I wrote about Wharfedales. Does anyone else?
Anyway it turns out I had Dovedale IIIs, apparently quite a bit different to the Dovedale 3s.
<https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/impressive-wharfedale-dovedale-3-speakers.513613/>
post 19 explains the difference.
I was puzzled because my brother still has Dovedale 3's he bought new at the time, and they are a
12" driver, not 13".
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