• 15 Worst Spider-Man Stories Of All Time

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 05:33:05 2017
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    Peter Parker forgets MJ in Spider Man One More Day comic 15 Worst
    Spider Man Stories Of All Time

    Spider-Man is Marvel’s most acclaimed superhero, and few characters
    have had a greater influence on popular culture. Peter Parker, at his
    core, is a flawed everyman who tries to do the right thing. He’s
    someone who lives a life similar to ours, but at the same time, is
    constantly attempting to squeeze in his commitment to being a hero in
    tights. One of the things that makes Spider-Man unique among the major superheroes is the small scale nature of his stories. He goes to high
    school, then goes to college, struggles to pay his bills, gets married
    — his life is filled with the same sorts of events that a regular
    person would go through. Even when he suits up as Spider-Man, he’s less
    likely to stop an alien invasion than he is to rescue a crowd of NYC
    bystanders from the latest Doc Ock attack.

    At least, that’s how it’s supposed to be. But for such a great
    character, the wall-crawler has had a lot of terrible stories. And as
    we’ll see, all horrible Spidey stories have a key factor in common: as
    soon as they deviate from the “regular person” narrative, things fall
    apart.

    Want to know the key indicators that a Spider-Man story is going to be
    awful? If you see buzz terms like “the story that changes everything,”
    or “biggest ever,” or “nothing will be the same,” then it’s almost a
    sure bet that ugly times lie ahead. And as we trudge down this road,
    get ready for some really ugly times, from androids to clones, Mephisto
    to corporate CEO Peter. Monstrosities await as we explore the 15 Worst Spider-Man Stories Of All Time.

    15. Peter’s Parents Come Back From the Dead… and Become Androids

    The pattern becomes evident early on. Crazy events, twist reveals, and
    shocking retcons tend to be very, very bad for Spider-Man. The 1990s
    were when these terrible storylines first really began kicking off, and
    this was one of the earliest head-scratchers: the running storyline
    where Peter’s parents seemingly came back from the dead.

    Peter being an orphan is a pretty important part of the Spider-Man
    narrative. The whole “Peter’s parents were government spies” storyline
    is silly enough, but it was made only worse by this story, which
    “reveals” that they’ve secretly been alive this whole time, trapped in
    a prison camp.

    The heartfelt reunion goes sour when Peter’s decision to show them his
    secret is followed by the shadowy reveal that they are now plotting
    their son’s death. Later, it’s revealed that these fake “parents” are
    actually just lifelike killer androids, and that the whole deception
    was an evil plot by Harry Osborn and the Chameleon. As goofy as the
    androids retcon is, it’s at least less damaging to the mythos than if
    they really had been his parents. However, worse things await…

    14. Sins Past

    If the android parents nonsense should have taught Marvel at least one
    lesson, it’s this: don’t drudge up things from Peter’s past and then
    skew them sideways for new storylines. Unfortunately, the lesson was
    not learned. Instead, we eventually ended up with the much-hated
    storyline where the Green Goblin has sex with Gwen Stacy.

    Sins Past reveals that before Gwen got killed, she gave birth to twins
    named Gabriel and Sarah. The father is Norman Osborn. Apparently, the
    actual reason that he killed her was because she threatened to cut him
    off from their children. So yes, this story fundamentally undermines
    the entire point of one of the most iconic Spider-Man moments ever. The children rapidly age to adulthood, have healing factors, and Gabriel
    Stacy ends up becoming the “Gray Goblin.”

    The writer, J. Michael Straczynski, intended Peter to be the father of
    the twins when he first plotted out the story, but editorial shot this
    idea down. In fact, JMS so hated the “Osborn is the father” twist that
    he tried to wipe the whole story from continuity. Marvel also shot this
    down, and the Stacy twins narrative continued.

    13. Sins Remembered
    This is how a bad thing becomes even worse. Sins Remembered was the
    follow-up to Sins Past, and it chronicled what happens to Gwen’s
    daughter, Sarah Stacy, after the conclusion of Sins Past sees her
    brother transformed into the Gray Goblin. After Peter comes to get her
    out of the hospital, where Sarah was evidently “waiting for him to
    rescue her,” it rapidly becomes apparent that Sarah has a massive crush
    on him. Yes, the daughter of Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn has a crush
    on Peter Parker, her dead mother’s boyfriend, which is more than a
    little bit weird.

    The story delves into Sarah and Gabriel’s back story a bit, and it’s
    generally just uncomfortable from start to finish, particularly when
    Sarah tries to kiss Peter in front of his wife, Mary Jane. While Sarah
    Stacy has disappeared since this storyline, Gabriel “Gray Goblin” Stacy
    has, unfortunately enough, reared his head in subsequent appearances.

    12. Trouble
    No, that’s not Mary Jane or Gwen Stacy. It’s, um… Aunt May.

    Trouble, the 2003 comic created by Bill Jemas and Joe Quesada, was a
    story about teen pregnancy that was supposed to resurrect the long-dead
    genre of romance comics. It tells a story about four hormonal
    teenagers, who just so happen to be named Ben, May, Richard, and Mary,
    and their romantic exploits. There’s a plot twist when May cheats on
    Ben, her boyfriend, with Ben’s brother Richard. May gets pregnant with Richard’s son, and is so afraid to reveal the truth to her parents that
    Mary “saves the day,” by pretending to the world that the child belongs
    to her and Richard, and that May was never pregnant.

    Obviously, the names are no coincidence. This story was written with
    the intention of revising Peter’s origins so that Aunt May was really
    his mother, having cheated on Uncle Ben with Richard Parker. This twist
    didn’t fly with the fans, who immediately rejected the story, and
    pointed out its numerous contradictions with established continuity.
    Trouble was quickly buried in the backyard, and has never been
    referenced since.

    11. Changes
    This bizarro little tale sees Spider-Man face off against this new
    telepathic, insect-powered villain named the Queen, until she lays a
    giant kiss on the wallcrawler, which then causes him to start
    experience some, uh… changes.

    First, he grows a couple of extra arms, some eyes, and some fangs. No
    big deal. Then, his transformation completes when he is changed into a
    giant spider. The Queen then announces that Peter is pregnant (despite
    the fact that Peter is still male, but whatever). The Queen gets all
    excited that the Spider-Man-turned-giant-spider is going to give birth
    to her offspring, but instead, he just dies, causing her to weep at the
    tragedy of it all. But wait! From the spider’s carcass, the child is
    born, and it’s a very-human Peter Parker, back from the dead, but with
    a couple of random new powers like insect telepathy and organic
    webbing.

    So yeah, this story was basically an excuse to give comic Peter the
    organic webbing of movie Peter. If that was really necessary, there was probably a less weird way to do it.

    10. Mary Jane’s Fake Death
    The strange and pathological hatred that Marvel editorial has for
    Spider-Man’s marriage to Mary Jane is a terrible saga unto itself.
    Since the 1990s, multiple editors tried to destroy the Spider-marriage,
    leading to many of the awful storylines on this list. One of these
    “kill the marriage” attempts was this storyline, where a huge mystery
    played out about someone stalking (and then killing) Mary Jane. One
    would think that Peter’s wife would immediately tell her spider-powered
    husband about such a thing, but instead, the story makes her keep it a
    secret (why?), until she boards an airplane — which then blows up in a
    ball of fire, killing her.

    Of course, she’s not actually dead. Sometime later, it’s revealed that
    her stalker has been holding her captive, and that he’s a psychic
    supervillain who wants to steal Peter’s life. After Mary Jane is
    rescued, the subsequent reunion is filled with more weird and out of
    character beats, like the fact that she decides to separate from Peter
    shortly after getting home.

    The whole thing doesn’t line up with how either of these characters are supposed to act, and this whole stalker/death/captive mystery took two
    entire years to play out.

    9. The Gathering of Five/The Final Chapter
    Basically, this whole storyline involves Norman Osborn putting together
    some arcane ritual involving magical relics, called “the gathering of
    five,” where five individuals must gather willingly so that each can
    receive magical “gifts.” But to understand just how much this story
    sucks, some additional context is needed. Some years before this, Aunt
    May had died in Amazing Spider-Man #400, a heartbreaking comic where
    she reveals that she knew Peter’s identity the whole time. Some more
    backstory: Mary Jane suffered a miscarriage. Something weird was
    implied to have happened with the remains of the stillborn Parker
    child, who would have been named May. Fans were buzzing for years about
    whether “Baby May” was alive, and if Osborn had her.

    Got it? Okay.

    After Osborn’s mystical ceremony, Mary Jane hears that “May is alive.” Spider-Man desperately tries to find his daughter, fighting his way
    through the Green Goblin, only to find out that this living “May” is
    actually Aunt May. The retcon here involved plastic surgery, a hired
    actress, DNA infusion… let’s not go into it, but it definitely ruins
    #400 for no good reason whatsoever.

    8. The Clone Conspiracy
    Don’t worry, folks, the Clone Saga will be coming up soon. But The
    Clone Conspiracy, a recent follow-up story, is also pretty rotten.

    The Clone Conspiracy has Spider-Man’s old villain the Jackal reemerge
    in an interesting new Anubis-inspired costume, and with an all new
    cloning plot: reviving dead people. There’s also a whole thing where
    the Jackal is set to cause global devastation by unleashing the Carrion
    Virus upon the population. Taken on their own, these story ideas have potential. But then, Jackal takes off his mask and reveals himself to
    be Ben Reilly, the former Scarlet Spider.

    This is an act of pure character assassination on Reilly, and for no
    reason whatsoever. Ben Reilly died at the end of the Clone Saga as a
    hero. He’s continued to be a fan-favorite character ever since his
    death in the 1990s, with many clamoring for his return. But no one
    wanted him to come back as a villain, betraying all of his values, and
    acting like an entirely different character than the hoodie-wearing
    rebel from the 1990s. In the end, this story takes the few good things
    that came out of the Clone Saga and rubs them in the dirt.

    7. The Other
    This is the one where Morlun eats Spider-Man’s eye.

    Though fan opinions on the “totem” era vary, one thing that most can
    agree on is that Morlun is one of the most effective new Spider-Man
    villains of the 2000s. His original storyline, by JMS and John Romita
    Jr., is cinematic in scope, and could easily be adapted into a great
    Spider-Man movie.

    The same can’t be said for The Other, another of these obnoxious huge
    events that litter this list, loaded with tag lines like “everything
    changes forever…again” and lots of noisy press releases that hyped it
    up (ever wonder why fans hate big events these days?). To be clear, The
    Other‘s problems have little to do with Morlun. The story starts with
    Peter finding out that he’s dying, leads to a blowout fight with Morlun
    with the whole eye-eating episode, and then concludes with Peter
    getting reborn (again) by shedding his old skin and regenerating, or… something. It all ends with him conversing with some mystical spider-
    being, a potentially cool story element in… say, a Doctor Strange
    comic, but which has no business in a web-slinging adventure.

    6. Doc Ock Almost Marries Aunt May
    Not all of the terrible Spider-Man stories come from the last few
    decades. Most of them, yes. But even the classic era had at least a few stinkers.

    Doctor Octopus has had many devious and intelligent plans, but this one
    was not one of his shiniest. The whole thing happens because Octavius
    discovers that Peter’s Aunt May is about to inherit a major nuclear
    plant. For whatever reason, Octavius determines that the best way to
    steal the inheritance from her is to get married to her, a proposition
    which Peter is obviously not too excited about. Luckily, the wedding
    gets interrupted by Hammerhead. Not so luckily, this story still
    occasionally gets referenced, which means it must still be part of
    continuity. Can we just pretend that this story didn’t happen, please?

    5. Corporate Peter
    Spider-Man is the everyman. It’s the whole nature of his appeal. Except
    this plot element, which is still running in the comics today, totally
    destroys that appeal by turning Peter Parker into a second-rate Tony
    Stark ripoff.

    Sure, by the time Peter’s in his late 20s, he shouldn’t be working
    freelance at the Daily Bugle anymore. The comics of the 2000s solved
    that problem by placing him as a high school science teacher at his old
    school. But now, as the CEO of Parker Industries, Peter Parker is
    suddenly this cocky billionaire playboy who flies to different Parker Industries branches all over the world, and uses the Spider-Man
    identity as both his “bodyguard” and as the mascot of his company.
    Basically, the whole thing changes Peter from a working class hero into
    an annoying 1% percenter.

    In general, the whole thing is so far removed from what Spider-Man
    storylines are supposed to be about that it feels as if one is reading
    about another character altogether. Like, say, Iron Man.

    4. Spider-Man: Chapter One
    Since Spider-Man was created in the 1960s, a lot of those early comics
    do show their age, so the notion of updating them for the present day
    isn’t a bad one. In fact, the same idea led to the highly successful
    Ultimate Spider-Man comic. But here, it didn’t work so well.

    Like Batman: Year One, the series Spider-Man: Chapter One was supposed
    to a retelling of the original Spider-Man comics by Stan Lee and Steve
    Ditko, modified to suit more contemporary sensibilities. But the
    problem is that unlike, say, Sam Raimi’s rather faithful Spider-Man
    retelling, this version changes things just for the sake of changing
    things. For example, the iconic radioactive spider-bite scene is
    rewritten from a small incident into a catastrophic radioactive
    explosion, which kills almost everyone in the building except Peter. On
    top of that, Otto Octavius is also caught in the devastation, and it’s
    this explosion that bonds those metal arms to him.

    It’s just… too much. Suddenly, Norman Osborn and the Sandman are
    cousins. Norman is responsible for everything in Peter’s life. It goes
    on. Luckily, this one is no longer in continuity.

    3. The Clone Saga
    Few storylines are so infamous. We could go on for hours about all of
    the problems in the Clone Saga — and have, actually — but the best way
    to put it is this: not only does it fit all of the criteria for crappy
    Spidey stories (Shocking events! Twists from the past! Everything has
    changed forever!) But, arguably, this is the bad story that set the
    mold for everything bad that followed.

    Once again, the story begins with an interesting concept, involving the
    idea of a Spider-Man clone who may or may not be the real Peter. But
    thanks to editorial interference, this whole thing got dragged out for
    three years. Three years of clone issues will eventually make anyone
    sick of clones, especially when the storyline keeps introducing new
    twists, new turns, and new characters every two seconds.

    But then, the ending just makes it all worse. As famed Black Panther
    writer Ta-Nehisi Coates has pointed out, the true greatest sin of the
    Clone Saga was that it resurrected Norman Osborn. The dead Norman was a
    complex figure, and his legacy in death held a looming presence over
    Peter’s life; after the Clone Saga, Norman has often been written more
    like DC’s Lex Luthor.

    2. One Moment in Time
    After the ugly reception that the One More Day retcon led to (hang
    tight, we’re almost there), editorial refused to backtrack, but they
    wanted to somehow make things “better.” To that end, the story One
    Moment in Time was created, to offer a revised explanation for why
    Peter and Mary Jane “never” got married, and why everyone has
    conveniently forgotten Spidey’s identity after he outed it in Civil
    War. Basically, there’s a whole shebang about how the marriage was
    canceled because the web-head missed it, and the forgotten identity
    reveal is chalked up to Doctor Strange’s magic.

    None of this fixes the problem.

    One Moment in Time is a half-hearted editorial attempt to make excuses
    for One More Day — without actually fixing any of the problems that One
    More Day created. The whole thing reads like an act of self-
    justification, as if the story knows it’s wrong, it knows that it
    messed up, but it wants you to pretend otherwise. Even if there are
    alternate explanations for why the non-marriage “happened” in this new continuity, they still only “happened” because Spider-Man did a deal
    with the devil. Which brings us to our final entry, the worst Spider-
    Man story of all time…

    1. One More Day
    Seriously, could there be any doubt that this is the single worst
    Spider-Man story of all time? Really, nothing else compares. JMS may
    have been stuck as the writer for this one, but none of the blame falls
    on him; JMS basically had a gun to the back of his head, and he even
    wanted his name removed from the comic. One More Day is forced
    editorial lunacy at its absolute worst. It was Marvel’s attempt to
    “rectify” Spider-Man, by betraying everything that makes the character worthwhile.

    For any who haven’t heard of this story, let’s put it in black and
    white: Peter’s Aunt May is dying, and nobody can save her. So Peter
    meets up with Mephisto — the Marvel equivalent of Satan — and strikes
    up a deal. Yes, that’s right. This story has Spider-Man literally make
    a deal with the devil. And the terms? For May to be saved, Peter
    Parker and Mary Jane’s marriage will be wiped off the face of reality,
    as if it never happened.

    The concept here is utterly childish, because there’s probably not a
    person on the planet who would make such a dumb deal, much less Mr. Power-and-Responsibility Peter Parker. Furthermore, this story also demonstrates incontrovertible proof that Marvel Comics editorial does
    not understand Peter Parker, whatsoever. The Clone Saga may have been
    terrible, but it didn’t fundamentally undermine the character like this
    story did. Until the day that this story is somehow reversed,
    retconned, or wiped off the map — and no, One Moment in Time doesn’t
    count — then the comic book version of Spider-Man will forever have a
    black mark on his name.


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  • From Wouter Valentijn@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 14:39:50 2017
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    Op 5-5-2017 om 12:33 schreef Ubiquitous:
    Peter Parker forgets MJ in Spider Man One More Day comic 15 Worst


    <snip>

    Agreed!

    What is truly insane is that those editors claim they didn't want Peter
    to seem 'aged'. That's why they didn't want him to be a father, but
    rather have his lady Gwen have kids with his arch enemy. And why they
    wanted to erase his marriage to MJ.
    And then, they made him CEO. Like that doesn't age him!

    Maybe the original Beyonder did destroy the Marvel Universe in the mid
    1980s, to have it replaced by something else. :-)

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri May 5 14:37:08 2017
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    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> writes:
    5. Corporate Peter
    Spider-Man is the everyman. It¡¯s the whole nature of his appeal. Except
    this plot element, which is still running in the comics today, totally destroys that appeal by turning Peter Parker into a second-rate Tony
    Stark ripoff.
    ...
    as the CEO of Parker Industries, Peter Parker is
    suddenly this cocky billionaire playboy who flies to different Parker Industries branches all over the world,
    ...
    In general, the whole thing is so far removed from what Spider-Man
    storylines are supposed to be about that it feels as if one is reading
    about another character altogether. Like, say, Iron Man.

    But that's exactly what happened: it *wasn't* Peter that did it. It was
    Doc Ock (as Superior Spider-Man) who did all that. Peter "inherited"
    the company (and a girlfriend) when his consciousness was restored to
    his body. If you were a working stiff barely scraping by and suddenly
    found yourself in charge of a profitable global company paying you a comfortable salary, and if you could develop enough management
    competence to be its CEO, I doubt you'd walk away from it.

    The whole thing, of course, suggests a future story line in which it's
    all lost somehow. (Everything changes forever! Nothing will be the
    same again! Just like it used to be! :)
    -WBE

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  • From ultra.magnotron@hotmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 26 12:08:48 2017
    You forgot Superior Spider-Man.

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  • From Madlove@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 06:31:44 2017
    You can get them all online in cbz format.

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