• Sanderson on WoT Series

    From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 30 13:22:58 2021
    From: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2021/11/23/brandon-sanderson- is-not-a-fan-of-one-big-wheel-of-time-change/

    Quoth Sanderson:

    “Biggest thing he and I disagreed on was Perrin's wife. I realize that
    there is a good opportunity here for Perrin to be shown with rage issues,
    and to be afraid of the potential beast inside of him. I liked that idea,
    but didn't like it being a wife for multiple reasons. First off, it feels
    a lot like the disposable wife trope (AKA Woman in the Fridge.) Beyond
    that, I think the trauma of having killed your wife is so huge, the story
    this is telling can't realistically deal with it in a way that is
    responsible. Perrin killing his wife then going off on an adventure
    really bothers me, even still. I have faith that the writers won't treat
    it lightly, but still. That kind of trauma, dealt with realistically and responsibly, is really difficult for an adventure series to deal with.

    “I suggested instead that he kill Master Luhhhan. As much as I hate to do Luhhan dirty like that, I think the idea Rafe and the team had here is a
    good one for accelerating Perrin's plot. Accidentally killing your master
    steps the trauma back a little, but gives the same motivations and
    hesitance. One thing I don't want this WoT adaptation to try to do is
    lean into being a tonal Game of Thrones replacement—IE, I don't want to
    lean into the "Grimdark" ideas. Killing Perrin's wife felt edgy just to
    be edgy.”

    - The author of the article then says:

    I think this makes a lot of sense and I wish Judkins had listened to the advice. A lot of book fans are upset with this change as well as with
    some others, like the notion that the Dragon Reborn can be any of the
    five Two Rivers youths, not just Rand al’Thor (it’s probably going to be Nynaeve).

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    Sanderson's original Reddit post:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/qxt9h5/ some_thoughts_from_brandon_episode_one/

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  • From jjvors@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Tue Nov 30 16:52:29 2021
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:22:59 AM UTC-6, Jason Evans wrote:
    From: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2021/11/23/brandon-sanderson- is-not-a-fan-of-one-big-wheel-of-time-change/

    Quoth Sanderson:

    “Biggest thing he and I disagreed on was Perrin's wife. I realize that there is a good opportunity here for Perrin to be shown with rage issues, and to be afraid of the potential beast inside of him. I liked that idea, but didn't like it being a wife for multiple reasons. First off, it feels
    a lot like the disposable wife trope (AKA Woman in the Fridge.) Beyond
    that, I think the trauma of having killed your wife is so huge, the story this is telling can't realistically deal with it in a way that is responsible. Perrin killing his wife then going off on an adventure
    really bothers me, even still. I have faith that the writers won't treat
    it lightly, but still. That kind of trauma, dealt with realistically and responsibly, is really difficult for an adventure series to deal with.

    “I suggested instead that he kill Master Luhhhan. As much as I hate to do Luhhan dirty like that, I think the idea Rafe and the team had here is a good one for accelerating Perrin's plot. Accidentally killing your master steps the trauma back a little, but gives the same motivations and hesitance. One thing I don't want this WoT adaptation to try to do is
    lean into being a tonal Game of Thrones replacement—IE, I don't want to lean into the "Grimdark" ideas. Killing Perrin's wife felt edgy just to
    be edgy.”

    - The author of the article then says:

    I think this makes a lot of sense and I wish Judkins had listened to the advice. A lot of book fans are upset with this change as well as with
    some others, like the notion that the Dragon Reborn can be any of the
    five Two Rivers youths, not just Rand al’Thor (it’s probably going to be Nynaeve).

    ---------------------------

    Sanderson's original Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/qxt9h5/ some_thoughts_from_brandon_episode_one/


    Well, that tears it. I thought the idea of Perrin killing his wife was impossibly stupid and it discouraged me from watching. Now I know it was INTENTIONAL and it was to show his issues with aggression sooner. That is even more stupid. I will never watch
    this show now.

    Perrin had no aggression issues in the Two Rivers. He acquired them as Trollocs killed his family and he had to fight them and Myrrdraahl to save his life and the lives of his friends. Then he became a wolf brother with wolf instincts. How much more
    rational do you need?

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to jjvors on Wed Dec 1 09:43:27 2021
    On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:52:29 -0800 (PST), jjvors wrote:

    Well, that tears it. I thought the idea of Perrin killing his wife was impossibly stupid and it discouraged me from watching. Now I know it was INTENTIONAL and it was to show his issues with aggression sooner. That
    is even more stupid. I will never watch this show now.

    Perrin had no aggression issues in the Two Rivers. He acquired them as Trollocs killed his family and he had to fight them and Myrrdraahl to
    save his life and the lives of his friends. Then he became a wolf
    brother with wolf instincts. How much more rational do you need?

    I think they thought Mat and Perrin were too bland for TV like Merry and
    Pippin in LoTR and so they had to spice up those characters. I think it
    would have been more faithful to maybe make Perrin appear at first to be
    a "simple-minded" blacksmith's apprentic who was actually exceedingly intelligent but was always afraid to hurt someone with his great size and
    so played that role. They could have shown an endearing "gentle giant"
    who hated violence and his own possibility for violence until it was
    absolutely necessary. This is, of course, literally the opposite that
    they went for.

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  • From jjvors@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Wed Dec 1 20:43:15 2021
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 3:43:28 AM UTC-6, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:52:29 -0800 (PST), jjvors wrote:

    Well, that tears it. I thought the idea of Perrin killing his wife was impossibly stupid and it discouraged me from watching. Now I know it was INTENTIONAL and it was to show his issues with aggression sooner. That
    is even more stupid. I will never watch this show now.

    Perrin had no aggression issues in the Two Rivers. He acquired them as Trollocs killed his family and he had to fight them and Myrrdraahl to
    save his life and the lives of his friends. Then he became a wolf
    brother with wolf instincts. How much more rational do you need?
    I think they thought Mat and Perrin were too bland for TV like Merry and Pippin in LoTR and so they had to spice up those characters. I think it
    would have been more faithful to maybe make Perrin appear at first to be
    a "simple-minded" blacksmith's apprentic who was actually exceedingly intelligent but was always afraid to hurt someone with his great size and
    so played that role. They could have shown an endearing "gentle giant"
    who hated violence and his own possibility for violence until it was absolutely necessary. This is, of course, literally the opposite that
    they went for.

    I don't know who they think their audience is. There are millions of readers of the WoT books. This kind of crap turns off not just me but millions of others.

    I was looking forward to something DIFFERENT FROM the Game of Throne, not a knock off.

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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 3 09:38:01 2021
    jjvors , dans le message <03de9df5-26dc-4274-b7b2-7416d96509a3n@googlegroups.com>, a crit:
    I don't know who they think their audience is. There are millions of
    readers of the WoT books.

    ... which is a tiny fraction of the audience of a video series.

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  • From jjvors@21:1/5 to Nicolas George on Fri Dec 3 14:35:46 2021
    On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 3:38:02 AM UTC-6, Nicolas George wrote:
    jjvors , dans le message
    <03de9df5-26dc-4274...@googlegroups.com>, a écrit :
    I don't know who they think their audience is. There are millions of readers of the WoT books.
    ... which is a tiny fraction of the audience of a video series.
    Cool. I was not aware any of these 'made for cable' series got past even a million in their ratings. What are the ratings for WoT?

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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 4 10:19:53 2021
    jjvors , dans le message <28c61f75-c807-423b-8a78-333ade58b737n@googlegroups.com>, a crit:
    Cool. I was not aware any of these 'made for cable' series got past even a million in their ratings. What are the ratings for WoT?

    In the US alone, upwards of two millions per episode for the first season, upwards of ten millions per episode for the last season. I do not know if it
    is total or just on the release.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Nicolas George on Sat Dec 4 18:41:08 2021
    Nicolas George <nicolas$george@salle-s.org> writes:
    jjvors , dans le message ><28c61f75-c807-423b-8a78-333ade58b737n@googlegroups.com>, a crit:
    Cool. I was not aware any of these 'made for cable' series got past even a >> million in their ratings. What are the ratings for WoT?

    In the US alone, upwards of two millions per episode for the first season, >upwards of ten millions per episode for the last season. I do not know if it >is total or just on the release.

    The first season of WoT hasn't completely aired yet.

    You must be confusing WoT with GoT.

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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 5 10:31:37 2021
    Scott Lurndal, dans le message <8DOqJ.102763$Wkjc.96648@fx35.iad>, a
    crit:
    The first season of WoT hasn't completely aired yet.

    You must be confusing WoT with GoT.

    Indeed. I hadn't considered jjvors would ask such a nonsensical question as comparing the audience of books that have been out for more than a quarter
    of a century with the audience of a TV series that have been out for a
    little more than half a month.

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