No more fastpasses. Now we must pay $20 a day to skip
lines in lieu of fastpasses. My God, don't they have their
hands deep enough into our pockets? I think this is shameful.

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On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:27:38 AM UTC-4, Peppermint Patty wrote:

No more fastpasses. Now we must pay $20 a day to skip
lines in lieu of fastpasses. My God, don't they have their
hands deep enough into our pockets? I think this is shameful.

Universal has had the same thing for awhile. A friend of mine thought it was wonderful and wondered why WDW didn’t do the same thing…..
Judy

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On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Judy Fallon wrote:

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:27:38 AM UTC-4, Peppermint Patty wrote:

No more fastpasses. Now we must pay $20 a day to skip
lines in lieu of fastpasses. My God, don't they have their
hands deep enough into our pockets? I think this is shameful.

Universal has had the same thing for awhile. A friend of mine thought it was wonderful and wondered why WDW didn’t do the same thing…..
Judy

Checking the Universal site,
$119.99 unlimited front line access to popular rides/day
&89.99 front line access to popular rides once per ride
$20.00 doesn’t sound too bad.

Judy

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On 8/19/2021 5:27 AM, Peppermint Patty wrote:

No more fastpasses. Now we must pay $20 a day to skip
lines in lieu of fastpasses. My God, don't they have their
hands deep enough into our pockets? I think this is shameful.

Oh, but there's even more. This "maxpass-like" service doesn't even
include all of the Fastpass attractions. Those will require an
additional upcharge, of unknown cost. Speculation is that each park
will have two attractions that will not be included.

The one that could really hit me is the safari - we do that 2-3 times
each day at AK, and if I have to pay $15 each time . . . . .

Of course, what this likely means is that my next trip to Disney is my
last - I have several hundred dollars in gift cards that need to be used
up, and I have an expired ticket that I can't practically sell. So I
can use up the gift cards on FastPasses, since I'm going to lose the
value anyway.

As for Universal - Express Pass is a much different animal. With the
new Disney system - which they cleverly do *not* call FastPass - one has
to hope that passes are available, and it's like the original system
where you get one at a time. With Express Pass, you just take the pass
to the attraction and ride, whenever you're ready. Also the price
varies from day to day, and on the busy days it's *way* more expensive
than the admission cost.

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On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:28:46 PM UTC-4, Darrell Jeffress wrote:

The one that could really hit me is the safari - we do that 2-3 times
each day at AK, and if I have to pay $15 each time . . . . .

The $15 is per DAY, and can be in all the parks if you have hopping. That said, I'm not happy with it either. I don't want to spend much time in the parks. Scheduling fastpasses for 2 (maybe 3) attractions for the time of my choosing worked for me. I'
m not going to pay $15 every time I go to a park, knowing within 2 hours I'll want to get the heck out of there.

The extra fee attractions will be the huge ones - I don't see the safari in that tier at all. Most likely at Animal Kingdom it would be Flight of Passage. In Epcot it'll be Remy. The Studios probably Slinky Dog, the Railway thing - Rise still has the
virtual queue. MK my guess would be 7 Dwarfs & probably Tron when it opens.

Sue/WDW1972

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On 8/19/2021 6:29 PM, Sue/WDW1972 wrote:

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:28:46 PM UTC-4, Darrell Jeffress
wrote:

The one that could really hit me is the safari - we do that 2-3
times each day at AK, and if I have to pay $15 each time . . . . .

The $15 is per DAY, and can be in all the parks if you have hopping.
That said, I'm not happy with it either. I don't want to spend much
time in the parks. Scheduling fastpasses for 2 (maybe 3) attractions
for the time of my choosing worked for me. I'm not going to pay $15
every time I go to a park, knowing within 2 hours I'll want to get
the heck out of there.

The extra fee attractions will be the huge ones - I don't see the
safari in that tier at all. Most likely at Animal Kingdom it would
be Flight of Passage. In Epcot it'll be Remy. The Studios probably
Slinky Dog, the Railway thing - Rise still has the virtual queue. MK
my guess would be 7 Dwarfs & probably Tron when it opens.

I said this on the fake RADP group on Facebook - this is bullshit. I'd
rather just pay $15/day more for a pass and have the old, flexible,
paper FP system.



- RODNEY

Next WDW Vacation?
Who knows!

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On 8/19/2021 4:29 PM, Sue/WDW1972 wrote:

The extra fee attractions will be the huge ones - I don't see the safari in that tier at all.

I'm reading that the safari likely *is* the second excluded attraction
at AK, after FOP. That's likely to change if the Yeti gets fixed
someday, but that doesn't help us for our farewell trip next January
(*if* I can even get there.)

According to TouringPlans, MK will have Mine Train and Space Mt, Epcot
will have Remy and Test Track, Studios will have RotR and Slinky Dog,
and AK will have FoP and Safari.

Interesting that of those, RotR and Remy will also have boarding groups
as an option - presumably free, but maybe not.

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On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 10:47:52 AM UTC-5, Judy Fallon wrote:

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Judy Fallon wrote:

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:27:38 AM UTC-4, Peppermint Patty wrote:

No more fastpasses. Now we must pay $20 a day to skip
lines in lieu of fastpasses. My God, don't they have their
hands deep enough into our pockets? I think this is shameful.

Universal has had the same thing for awhile. A friend of mine thought it was wonderful and wondered why WDW didn’t do the same thing…..
Judy

Checking the Universal site,
$119.99 unlimited front line access to popular rides/day
&89.99 front line access to popular rides once per ride
$20.00 doesn’t sound too bad.

Judy

Frontline not the same as a timed pass later in wdw.

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Disney's greed is insatiable. They have steadily gouged park visitors for years while cutting services. In the 80s, 90's and early 2000's the parks, grounds, and hotels were always immaculate. Then it became more about the bottom line. Prices increase
to cover losses for bad movies and the social agenda's at espn and abc. I have sadly made what is probably my last trip to the world. It just doesn't have the magic as it once did.

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On 8/23/2021 10:01 PM, coldbeer1000 x wrote:

Disney's greed is insatiable. They have steadily gouged park visitors
for years while cutting services. In the 80s, 90's and early 2000's
the parks, grounds, and hotels were always immaculate. Then it became
more about the bottom line. Prices increase to cover losses for bad
movies and the social agenda's at espn and abc. I have sadly made
what is probably my last trip to the world. It just doesn't have the
magic as it once did.

Like almost every other company on Earth, DIS keeps trying to see how
elastic demand is by pushing the limits. As long as people keep paying,
DIS will keep raising prices and lowering quality. You are doing the
right thing by "voting with your dollars". That is all an individual
customer can do.


--

- RODNEY

Next WDW Vacation?
Who knows!

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http://allears.net/tp/abrev.htm

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On 8/24/2021 6:36, Rudeney wrote:

Like almost every other company on Earth, DIS keeps trying to see how
elastic demand is by pushing the limits.  As long as people keep paying,
DIS will keep raising prices and lowering quality.  You are doing the
right thing by "voting with your dollars".  That is all an individual customer can do.

. . . and we also have to follow up and send a letter *telling* them of
our absence. Otherwise our absence is just lost in the noise. But the
adage is that each letter written represents a large number of others
who are thinking the same thing.

If I'm able to make my scheduled trip in January, it will probably be
our last. I have a bunch of gift cards to use up so I can pay the
fastpass fees with a resource that otherwise would go unused.

And then I have a lot of old, unused tickets that were purchased back
before all the limitations - should be easy to find buyers for these
just because of the flexibility they'll allow.

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On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 8:36:36 AM UTC-5, Rudeney wrote:

On 8/23/2021 10:01 PM, coldbeer1000 x wrote:

Disney's greed is insatiable. They have steadily gouged park visitors
for years while cutting services. In the 80s, 90's and early 2000's
the parks, grounds, and hotels were always immaculate. Then it became
more about the bottom line. Prices increase to cover losses for bad
movies and the social agenda's at espn and abc. I have sadly made
what is probably my last trip to the world. It just doesn't have the
magic as it once did.

Like almost every other company on Earth, DIS keeps trying to see how
elastic demand is by pushing the limits. As long as people keep paying,
DIS will keep raising prices and lowering quality. You are doing the
right thing by "voting with your dollars". That is all an individual
customer can do.

When will Viacom build a park themed with their Characters ?? Would San Antonio TX support and subsidize something?
Just avoid Texas in Februaries.

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