• Overlord?

    From T987654321@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 19 09:43:01 2022
    What was the reaction in Japan to Overlord?
    Anime where the core characters are out and out evil (I'd say lawful-evil in rpg terms) are pretty rare. Yes there are ones with a demon/devil as a core character but they are very curtailed in what they do. Not here.

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  • From Arne Luft@21:1/5 to qwrtz123@gmail.com on Sat Aug 20 01:00:27 2022
    On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 09:43:01 -0700 (PDT), T987654321
    <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:

    What was the reaction in Japan to Overlord?

    I don't know.

    But peoples, who act peacefully in themselves, tolerate more
    aggressive fairy tales.

    It's the same with animals. The Common Chimpanzees are very aggressive
    towards each other. And if someone makes a joke, he is immediately
    attacked.

    The subspecies Bonobos of the chimpanzees, on the other hand, are very
    peaceful among themselves. With them, hearty jokes are quite common
    because they have no consequences, because the joke is understood as
    such.

    Anime where the core characters are out and out evil (I'd say lawful-evil in rpg terms) are pretty rare.
    Yes there are ones with a demon/devil as a core character but they are very curtailed in what they do. Not here.

    I wouldn't call Ains an evil character. He acts realistically and not
    softly, as it is customary in the West. We know from history that
    treating aggressive power structures in a friendly manner only leads
    to disaster. It is no coincidence in my opinion that the Kingdom of
    Re-Estize is modeled after the Kingdom of Prussia that ended in
    Hitler's Germany, and the Empire Bahamut is more similar to France.

    His dealings with the frost dragon and the Quagoa in the current anime
    could be seen as a result of such a realization by the series writer.
    Current reality supports his views.



    By the way, in other current animes like "Utawarerumono", women and
    girls act much more aggressively than before. The days of magical
    princesses seem to be over. This is the conscious equalization of the
    sexes that is currently being carried out.

    Here, too, it meets reality. As a young man, I knew young women and
    girls who definitely settled their differences among themselves with
    their fists. There weren't many, but there were.

    --
    https://youtu.be/ZwjXLKGo15U
    (Utawarerumono Mask of Truth - OP)

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  • From Arne Luft@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.invalid on Sat Aug 20 04:18:07 2022
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 01:00:27 +0200, Arne Luft
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    His dealings with the frost dragon and the Quagoa in the current anime
    could be seen as a result of such a realization by the series writer.
    Current reality supports his views.

    Even his (Ains') strategies of subduing other countries reflect the
    current reality: he puts idiots in or close to power in the target
    states and uses their stupidity to dissolve existing orders and soften
    the "enemy".


    This is exactly - excuse me - what the shift from Trump to Biden
    created for US foreign policy prestige.

    Or - to speak of Germany - the Merkel phase and the current green
    government created in real terms and not in the lying German media
    compared to what was before 1998. The German energy policy is the
    stupidest possible energy policy and the whole world sees it that way.

    Thank you very much for your patience.

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  • From T987654321@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 24 12:57:19 2022
    Anime where the core characters are out and out evil (I'd say lawful-evil in rpg terms) are pretty rare.
    Yes there are ones with a demon/devil as a core character but they are very curtailed in what they do. Not here.
    I wouldn't call Ains an evil character. He acts realistically and not
    softly, as it is customary in the West.


    He attacks the lizard village for the sole purpose of testing some undead cannon fodder. He kidnaps huge numbers for slave labor. He rewards various subordinates with humans, and it's very clear what happens to them.

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  • From Arne Luft@21:1/5 to qwrtz123@gmail.com on Thu Aug 25 04:08:25 2022
    On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:57:19 -0700 (PDT), T987654321
    <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:


    Anime where the core characters are out and out evil (I'd say lawful-evil in rpg terms) are pretty rare.
    Yes there are ones with a demon/devil as a core character but they are very curtailed in what they do. Not here.
    I wouldn't call Ains an evil character. He acts realistically and not
    softly, as it is customary in the West.


    He attacks the lizard village for the sole purpose of testing some undead cannon fodder.
    He kidnaps huge numbers for slave labor. He rewards various subordinates with humans,
    and it's very clear what happens to them.

    Ainz was constructed in the game Yggdrassil to be malevolent, like all characters of the group that have created Nazarik. His "Karma" is
    officially in the books listed as -500 (very evil). Consequently, his
    actions are constructed as evil from the start.

    But he changes when he decides voluntarily and without the influence
    of his comrades in the new world. He doesn't cooperate with criminals
    to commit primitve crimes.

    He slows down Cocytus when dealing with the lizardmen. He is building
    a state tolerant of all races. He installs market economy instead of
    princely glory. He uses magic to introduce technical advances, for
    example in agriculture, instead of exploiting people uninhibitedly. He
    promotes science as much as possible in this magical world. A current
    example is the rune magic of the dwarves or the search for new ones by
    the adventurers instead of killing goblins.

    This is an evolution of Japanese "literature" and anime, in my
    opinion. This already started with "Shingeki no Kyoujin" and is
    currently clearly visible with "Made in Abyss". Added to this is the
    change in the role of women. They can now be just as vicious and
    brutal as men.

    In Overlord there is also the author's idea of developing the
    political story, he uses, differently from what happened in reality.
    At the same time, however, he uses methods that can be seen in reality
    but are mostly suppressed by the media in order to portray current
    politicians in a better light than they deserve.

    Ask yourself what you would do as a head of state if another state you
    just dealt a catastrophic defeat had nothing better to do than attack
    you again rather than cooperate, even as a vassal state?

    But ultimately, he is very brutal in his methods with unrepentant
    political opponents compared to what we are currently being told.
    Perhaps it is what people today still have to learn, namely that
    tolerance for the intolerant does not make them better people, but
    rather strengthens them in their intolerance.

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  • From T987654321@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 29 10:49:12 2022
    We clearly have different definitions of evil.

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  • From Arne Luft@21:1/5 to qwrtz123@gmail.com on Tue Aug 30 03:51:54 2022
    On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT), T987654321
    <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:

    We clearly have different definitions of evil.

    It may look like it, but it is very unlikely that it will apply to
    everyday life and personal behavior. It is probably different when
    assessing long-term societal issues. Evolution doesn't work according
    to "love is all you need" from my point of view.

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  • From Arne Luft@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.invalid on Wed Aug 31 02:11:58 2022
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 03:51:54 +0200, Arne Luft
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT), T987654321
    <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:

    We clearly have different definitions of evil.

    It may look like it, but it is very unlikely that it will apply to
    everyday life and personal behavior. It is probably different when
    assessing long-term societal issues. Evolution doesn't work according
    to "love is all you need" from my point of view.

    For example, in the current Overlord anime series, in Episode 8 at
    12:20, Ainz explains to Albedo that the superiors are responsible for
    whatever random errors their subordinates make, when they didn't
    intentionally created them. Therefore, he rebukes her, when she blamed
    a woman, she hired, for the wrong behavior of those, she wanted to use
    in the kingdom of Re-Estize.


    Here in Germany, both the Merkel government and the Greens have done
    everything for 20 years to destroy the secure supply of energy (Switch
    off nuclear energy and coal as energy suppliers at the same time and
    instead rely on wind, sun and gas from Russia.). For 20 years they
    were advised not to destroy the diversification of the secure energy
    supply. They did it anyway to assert their claims to power as saviors
    of the world. That is why we in Germany are now facing a major crisis
    that is ruining the livelihoods of many ordinary people.

    And what are the Greens doing in Germany? They blame the citizens for
    not being economical enough with energy, and the other politicians
    for not building enough windmills. Is it the case that the wind blows
    according to how many windmills are in front of it?

    Are common people wasteful living in a country that has the highest
    electricity prices on earth except for a few small island nations? A
    green prime minister of a federal state has even asked the citizens to
    give up showering and instead wash with a rag to save energy.

    None of these politicians even think about resigning or admitting
    mistakes. That is the way Marxists and Maoists think: it is always the
    others who are to blame.

    Now, who is evil? Ainz in Overlord or the boastful political actors in
    Germany?

    My apologies for bringing up politics in this newsgroup. But it is
    unavoidable. Overlord is very realpolitik.

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