• ONE PIECE surpasses 430 million copies published

    From Kenneth M. Lin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 09:21:52 2017
    http://natalie.mu/comic/news/252971

    I read that in Japan the author receives 50 yen per copy in royalty so
    imagine if that converts to fifty cents. This means that the author of ONE PIECE has received $215 million from publication alone and who knows how
    much from anime rights and merchandising.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga

    According to the list, Dragon Ball comes in 2nd at 240 million copies. This title is still in print despite finishing twenty years ago. Toriyama Akira has work very sporadically since the series ended as he probably doesn't
    have to work another day in his life.

    There are only 14 series that sold over 100 million copies. Adachi
    Mitsuru's Touch is one of them so I don't blame him for constantly recycling the formula that worked for him.

    From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't reading that many manga these days as the top-selling list is dominated by books from previous century. With competitions from video games, movies, and other
    forms of entertainment, I am amazed that there are still so many weekly and monthly manga periodicals being published.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Kenneth M. Lin on Mon Oct 16 09:46:40 2017
    On 10/16/2017 09:21 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
    http://natalie.mu/comic/news/252971

    I read that in Japan the author receives 50 yen per copy in royalty so imagine if that converts to fifty cents.  This means that the author of
    ONE PIECE has received $215 million from publication alone and who knows
    how much from anime rights and merchandising.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga

    According to the list, Dragon Ball comes in 2nd at 240 million copies.
    This title is still in print despite finishing twenty years ago.
    Toriyama Akira has work very sporadically since the series ended as he probably doesn't have to work another day in his life.

    There are only 14 series that sold over 100 million copies.  Adachi Mitsuru's Touch is one of them so I don't blame him for constantly
    recycling the formula that worked for him.

    No one blames him but we wish he would learn to draw better
    and just do a little better on villainous motivations. Most
    of the villains are trying to redress injuries done to them in HS.
    As to the series from the 20th Century so far they present
    a better overall view of types of manga and themes of manga.
    These list are ok but judging quality by sales goes nowhere.
    Most of the stuff I really like in this Century is not on these
    lists. I was never offered a chance to buy Touch neither the
    manga nor the anime movies, I had to hunt them down in the
    wild in the early days of my manga habituation.


    From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't reading
    that many manga these days as the top-selling list is dominated by books
    from previous century.  With competitions from video games, movies, and other forms of entertainment, I am amazed that there are still so many
    weekly and monthly manga periodicals being published.

    Yes well until the profits decline too far this will be the
    case. Magazines, books can be utilized without worries about anything
    but lighting. No power required to get them going or networks to
    slow downloads. Hurrah for paper!

    bliss

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Kenneth M. Lin on Mon Oct 16 12:07:25 2017
    On 10/16/2017 11:21 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:


    "Bobbie Sellers"  wrote in message news:os2npi$9cu$1@dont-email.me...


     From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't
    reading that many manga these days as the top-selling list is
    dominated by books from previous century.  With competitions from
    video games, movies, and other forms of entertainment, I am amazed
    that there are still so many weekly and monthly manga periodicals
    being published.

    Yes well until the profits decline too far this will be the
    case.  Magazines, books can be utilized without worries about anything
    but lighting.  No power required to get them going or networks to
    slow downloads.  Hurrah for paper!

    bliss
    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

    Here is the sales figures for Shonen Magazine from the past ten years.
    Search for the phrase "発行部数"

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%B3


    In 1995 they sold average of 4.36 million copies a week but by 2008 it
    has fell to 1,78 million.  In 2017 they sell less than a million copies
    each week.

    Let's look at Shonen Jump

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97


    One issue in 1995 sold 6.35 million copies but looking at Shonen
    Magazine's 4.36 million, it wasn't doing tremendously better than the competitors. However, Jump is averaging 1.9 copies a week, which is
    almost twice what Magazine is doing.
    I assume that Jump is really selling 1.9 million copies/week?

    Imagine the cost of publishing an issue is fixed, I wonder if these
    magazines are still profitable.  Even anime are suffering because there
    just aren't as many children being born in Japan.

    Then they will have to do better stories more aimed at adults.
    The costs are somewhat fixed but can be adjusted

    These numbers are still impressive compared to American comic-book
    industry where a title is a best-seller if it sells 100,000 copies.  And they have to do the constant #1s, gimmick covers, and multiple
    crossovers in order to reach that figure.  All the monies are in the
    movie rights anyway.

    Yes well in the USA newspaper comic strips are not what they
    once were. Back in the 1940s we had a lot more strips in a lot more
    papers. There was no visual medium in competition aside from movies
    and especially movie serials. Comics are less popular now because
    they don't cost a dime but about 25 dimes at a time. They are
    better produced with better colors and art but the stories have
    drifted from canon in order to write more exciting stories.

    Most of the standard old time comics that I keep up with
    are though the graphic novels from the SFPL. In the old days
    there were no comics in Libraries outside the newspapers of the
    day.

    Since then newspapers and comics have declined due first
    to direct TV competition then we tossed the Internet on top of
    that to which really has smothered the newspapers. Even I
    buy only two issues per week. Some of the comics are humorous
    but the adults only get stress relief from them. None of
    the cogency of Steve Canyon, various secret agents, Pogo the Possum
    and his crew helped take down TailGunner Joe McCarthy and Daddy
    Warbucks is in bad odor these days due to Arms Dealing.
    Little Orphan Annie is older than I am and doubtless the Warbucks
    money is spent on American based security for her.
    The Phantom is gone though he always treated the Africans
    as well as could be expected in those days. Which is too bad
    because he could be taking out various piratical factions.
    We talked about Adachi's repetition but what about Alex
    Raymond and Prince Valiant? Lots of repetition there. Chester
    Gould had a formula for Dick Tracy and it did fine for years as
    we tried to figure out how the next sad mobsters would wind up.
    After a few years we figured out that leading characters
    like Tracy himself and the other good guys could not be killed.
    And "B.O. Plenty" was sitting down the aisle on the bus
    the other day. He is homeless and so is Gravel Gerty as the
    gravel pit where he lived is being redeveloped into Luxury
    Apartments.

    Enough rambling reminiscence.
    Gotta fix my lunch
    bliss

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  • From Kenneth M. Lin@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon Oct 16 11:21:50 2017
    "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:os2npi$9cu$1@dont-email.me...


    From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't reading
    that many manga these days as the top-selling list is dominated by books
    from previous century. With competitions from video games, movies, and
    other forms of entertainment, I am amazed that there are still so many
    weekly and monthly manga periodicals being published.

    Yes well until the profits decline too far this will be the
    case. Magazines, books can be utilized without worries about anything
    but lighting. No power required to get them going or networks to
    slow downloads. Hurrah for paper!

    bliss
    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

    Here is the sales figures for Shonen Magazine from the past ten years.
    Search for the phrase "発行部数"

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%B3

    In 1995 they sold average of 4.36 million copies a week but by 2008 it has fell to 1,78 million. In 2017 they sell less than a million copies each
    week.

    Let's look at Shonen Jump

    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97

    One issue in 1995 sold 6.35 million copies but looking at Shonen Magazine's 4.36 million, it wasn't doing tremendously better than the competitors. However, Jump is averaging 1.9 copies a week, which is almost twice what Magazine is doing.

    Imagine the cost of publishing an issue is fixed, I wonder if these
    magazines are still profitable. Even anime are suffering because there just aren't as many children being born in Japan.

    These numbers are still impressive compared to American comic-book industry where a title is a best-seller if it sells 100,000 copies. And they have to do the constant #1s, gimmick covers, and multiple crossovers in order to
    reach that figure. All the monies are in the movie rights anyway.

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  • From Kenneth M. Lin@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Tue Oct 17 09:14:26 2017
    "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:os301e$afs$1@dont-email.me...
    I assume that Jump is really selling 1.9 million copies/week?

    Well, it's Wikipedia entry w/o sources cited but I am guessing they must.
    Jump is skewed toward younger readers than Magazine, Sunday, and Champion
    and One Piece and Naruto are still very popular. I have sampled One Piece before but felt that the artist's inking style is very poor and all the
    women have unrealistically large breasts. I guess that's what kids are
    after these days. I read somewhere that Champion carries a lot of titles starring deliquent youths and Sunday used to specialized in Love-Come (romantic comedy). I don't read these periodicals so I can be wrong...

    Then they will have to do better stories more aimed at adults.
    The costs are somewhat fixed but can be adjusted

    There are Big Comics (Original, Superior, Spirits) magazines and Morning, Afternoon, and Evening (lazy naming) that are aimed at mature readers. I
    had no ideas such magazines exist until perhaps a decade ago but they are thriving. Big Comics have a lot of series that have been going on for over
    30 years such as Golgo 13.

    There are also "Young" versions of Jump and other magazines aimed for boys
    in high schools and colleges. These tend to carry titles that are raunchy
    and violent such as Gantz.

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