On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:26:10 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
In that scenario I would have taken Cook downstairs, had him watch me
saw the iphone in half, and then asked him which part of his body he
wanted to be next.
That assumes that I was stupid enough to buy an Apple product in the
first place.
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:26:10 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
In that scenario I would have taken Cook downstairs, had him watch me
saw the iphone in half, and then asked him which part of his body he
wanted to be next.
That assumes that I was stupid enough to buy an Apple product in the
first place.
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in
1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in
1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:53:08 -0500, Mark Jackson ><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in >>1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
The thing that annoys me is touchscreen devices that still require a
mouse and keyboard.
In article <1u93pgpa6edk46r30cd7ll5glikotk59vf@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:53:08 -0500, Mark Jackson >><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in >>>1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
The thing that annoys me is touchscreen devices that still require a
mouse and keyboard.
The thing that would annoy the dickens out of me is anything that
required a touchscreen. Everybody to his own taste, said the
good woman as she kissed her cow.
In article <ivdialF8d4mU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in
1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
Fair enough; we get used to what we started with. I first got my
hands on a keyboard in (count on fingers) 1956. It was a manual
typewriter, all steel and ribbon, and I learned to touch-type on
it. I use the mouse to open a file, and then I type into it.
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:41:30 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:26:10 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
In that scenario I would have taken Cook downstairs, had him watch me
saw the iphone in half, and then asked him which part of his body he
wanted to be next.
That assumes that I was stupid enough to buy an Apple product in the
first place.
I would add that I am of the opinion that push updates should be
banned and if they are not banned then any company implementing them
be held strictly liable for all resulting damages, with all court
costs being paid by the company regardless of outcome.
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in
1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
In article<ivdialF8d4mU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in 1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
Fair enough; we get used to what we started with. I first got my
hands on a keyboard in (count on fingers) 1956. It was a manual
typewriter, all steel and ribbon, and I learned to touch-type on
it. I use the mouse to open a file, and then I type into it.
On 2021 Nov 14, Dorothy J Heydt wrote
(in article <r2L98t.17D1@kithrup.com>):
In article<ivdialF8d4mU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to
use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival)
keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in
1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
Fair enough; we get used to what we started with. I first got my
hands on a keyboard in (count on fingers) 1956. It was a manual
typewriter, all steel and ribbon, and I learned to touch-type on
it. I use the mouse to open a file, and then I type into it.
I started typing on Commodore PET and Apple II desktops, and on a portable typewriter, in the late 1970s. I was using things like Banks Street Writer on the Apple, and something I forget entirely on the Commodore. By the early 1980s I was using a Xerox 820, in the engineering computer lab at university; it had WordStar on it and was connected to a daisy-wheel printer. The undergrads were not permitted to touch the IBM DisplayWriters, they were for grad students only, and the Burroughs and Prime minicomputers didn’t have ward processing software available to mere undergrads. I stopped using my typewriter as soon as I got access to the Xerox. It sat in its case for years afterwards, and vanished after a move.
I got a Mac 128, with MacWrite and an Imagewriter (note spelling; InterCaps happened with the ImageWriter II and the disastrous ImageWriter LQ and was retrofitted to the Imagewriter by Apple Marketing, but the box my printer shipped with had a lower case w...) An upgrade to Fat Mac and then Mac Plus status helped MacWrite a lot, MacWrite was memory-based and 128 kB wasn’t enough. Microsoft shipped Word, I dumped MacWrite at roughly Mach Two. Microsoft, even in those days was heavily into command/control key combinations (Word currently literally has a command/control key combo for every letter of the alphabet, a shift-command/control key combo for most, and alt/option combos for a lot. You don’t need a mouse for most things when you use Word, if you know which combo to use. That would be command keys on Macs, control keys on Windows/DOS, alt on Windows, option on Macs.)
I also got a Compaq, and put WordPerfect on it. However, once Win3 arrived and Windows was actually worth a damn, but WordPerfect ignored all GUIs, I stuck WinWord on it. WinWord was effectively Mac Word, just with control keys instead of command keys. I’ve used Word on Mac and Windows ever since.
I do a lot of typing, and keep my hands on the keyboard as much as possible. Apple, in its infinite idiocy, hates extended keyboards with full sets of navigation keys and a numeric keypad, so I go to a lot of trouble to get proper keyboards, not Apple keyboards.
On 11/17/21 7:56 AM, Wolffan wrote:
On 2021 Nov 14, Dorothy J Heydt wrote
(in article <r2L98t.17D1@kithrup.com>):
In article<ivdialF8d4mU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 11/14/2021 5:22 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
He said in honest bewilderment, "Why would anyone ever want not to use the mouse?"
(So I would never have to take my hands off the (adjectival) keyboard, you (sulfurous synonym for "nitwit").
Nulla ratio gustum. I first got my hands on a mouse-connected device in 1983 (Xerox Alto) and far prefer working with one.
Fair enough; we get used to what we started with. I first got my
hands on a keyboard in (count on fingers) 1956. It was a manual typewriter, all steel and ribbon, and I learned to touch-type on
it. I use the mouse to open a file, and then I type into it.
I started typing on Commodore PET and Apple II desktops, and on a portable typewriter, in the late 1970s. I was using things like Banks Street Writer on
the Apple, and something I forget entirely on the Commodore. By the early 1980s I was using a Xerox 820, in the engineering computer lab at university;
it had WordStar on it and was connected to a daisy-wheel printer. The undergrads were not permitted to touch the IBM DisplayWriters, they were for
grad students only, and the Burroughs and Prime minicomputers didn’t have ward processing software available to mere undergrads. I stopped using my typewriter as soon as I got access to the Xerox. It sat in its case for years
afterwards, and vanished after a move.
I got a Mac 128, with MacWrite and an Imagewriter (note spelling; InterCaps happened with the ImageWriter II and the disastrous ImageWriter LQ and was retrofitted to the Imagewriter by Apple Marketing, but the box my printer shipped with had a lower case w...) An upgrade to Fat Mac and then Mac Plus status helped MacWrite a lot, MacWrite was memory-based and 128 kB wasn’t enough. Microsoft shipped Word, I dumped MacWrite at roughly Mach Two. Microsoft, even in those days was heavily into command/control key combinations (Word currently literally has a command/control key combo for every letter of the alphabet, a shift-command/control key combo for most, and
alt/option combos for a lot. You don’t need a mouse for most things when you use Word, if you know which combo to use. That would be command keys on Macs, control keys on Windows/DOS, alt on Windows, option on Macs.)
I also got a Compaq, and put WordPerfect on it. However, once Win3 arrived and Windows was actually worth a damn, but WordPerfect ignored all GUIs, I stuck WinWord on it. WinWord was effectively Mac Word, just with control keys
instead of command keys. I’ve used Word on Mac and Windows ever since.
I do a lot of typing, and keep my hands on the keyboard as much as possible.
Apple, in its infinite idiocy, hates extended keyboards with full sets of navigation keys and a numeric keypad, so I go to a lot of trouble to get proper keyboards, not Apple keyboards.
I don’t know of any laptop with an extended keyboard.
On the other hand,
Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops, including a fingerprint key on the latest models.
I don’t know of any laptop with an extended keyboard. On the other hand, Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops, including a fingerprint key on the latest models.
On 2021 Nov 17, John W Kennedy wrote
I do a lot of typing, and keep my hands on the keyboard as much as possible.
Apple, in its infinite idiocy, hates extended keyboards with full sets of >>> navigation keys and a numeric keypad, so I go to a lot of trouble to get >>> proper keyboards, not Apple keyboards.
I don’t know of any laptop with an extended keyboard.
Many 15, 16, 17, and 18” laptops have extended keyboards
On the other hand,
Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops, including a
fingerprint key on the latest models.
They’re BlueTooth, they’re hideously expensive ($120+ for the white, no
fingerprint, $140+ for the black, no fingerprint, and God knows for the fingerprint reader models. Yes, the price is different for black and white.
Yes, I can get two Macally keyboards for what one white no fingerprint costs.
Two _Bluetooth_ Macally keyboards, USB versions are cheaper.) and they have the stupid fn key because the F keys are set to dedicated nonsense which I never use. On the other hand I use the F keys a lot. F4 is particularly useful in Excel, and F3 in Word. There’s even a dedicated key to eject an optical disc... which only works with Apple optical drives, or at least doesn’t work, by actual test, with Panasonic or LG USB optical drives.
The last Apple keyboard that was any good was the ‘Saratoga’ (officially the Extended Keyboard and Extended Keyboard II) keyboard, so-called because it was ‘the size of an aircraft carrier’ according to one review. That was an ADB keyboard. ADB hasn’t been a thing in a Very Long Tme(™). https://lowendmac.com/2006/the-legendary-apple-extended-keyboard/
I had a Saratoga keyboard for over 15 years.
On 11/17/2021 5:50 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
I don’t know of any laptop with an extended keyboard. On the other
hand, Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops,
including a fingerprint key on the latest models.
My last three, HP, Toshiba, HP. All 17" models.
On 2021 Nov 17, John W Kennedy wrote<snippo>
(in article<PZudnYS8zdnACAj8nZ2dnUU7-L_NnZ2d@giganews.com>):
On the other hand,
Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops, including a
fingerprint key on the latest models.
Theyre BlueTooth, theyre hideously expensive ($120+ for the white, no >fingerprint, $140+ for the black, no fingerprint, and God knows for the >fingerprint reader models. Yes, the price is different for black and white. >Yes, I can get two Macally keyboards for what one white no fingerprint costs.
I dont know of any laptop with an extended keyboard. On the other hand, >Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops, including a >fingerprint key on the latest models.
On 2021-11-17 7:31 p.m., Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 11/17/2021 5:50 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:
I don’t know of any laptop with an extended keyboard. On the other
hand, Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops,
including a fingerprint key on the latest models.
My last three, HP, Toshiba, HP. All 17" models.
Right.
HUGE laptops... ...picked by you, perchance?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 18:50:53 -0500, John W Kennedy
<john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
<snippo>
I don’t know of any laptop with an extended keyboard. On the other hand, >> Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops, including a
fingerprint key on the latest models.
By any chance, if a user has such a model, is use of it required to
log in?
On 2021-11-18 10:11 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 18:50:53 -0500, John W Kennedy
<john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
<snippo>
I don’t know of any laptop with an extended keyboard. On the other hand, >>> Apple has extended keyboards available on its desktops, including a
fingerprint key on the latest models.
By any chance, if a user has such a model, is use of it required to
log in?
In article <qm03pgdfc58i7bs5vcn105jftlve56en67@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:41:30 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:26:10 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
In that scenario I would have taken Cook downstairs, had him watch me
saw the iphone in half, and then asked him which part of his body he
wanted to be next.
That assumes that I was stupid enough to buy an Apple product in the
first place.
I would add that I am of the opinion that push updates should be
banned and if they are not banned then any company implementing them
be held strictly liable for all resulting damages, with all court
costs being paid by the company regardless of outcome.
And people who ignore security updates run the serious risk of having
all their data stolen by foreign hackers (who might encrypt your data as well).
Op 15-11-2021 om 6:48 schreef Robert Woodward:
In article <qm03pgdfc58i7bs5vcn105jftlve56en67@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:41:30 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:26:10 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
In that scenario I would have taken Cook downstairs, had him watch me
saw the iphone in half, and then asked him which part of his body he
wanted to be next.
That assumes that I was stupid enough to buy an Apple product in the
first place.
I would add that I am of the opinion that push updates should be
banned and if they are not banned then any company implementing them
be held strictly liable for all resulting damages, with all court
costs being paid by the company regardless of outcome.
And people who ignore security updates run the serious risk of having
all their data stolen by foreign hackers (who might encrypt your data as
well).
What makes you think that there are no hackers in your country?
USA I presume.....
On 12/4/21 6:00 PM, Rink wrote:Sydney, Coober Pedy, ... Really, just about anywhere these days, the
Op 15-11-2021 om 6:48 schreef Robert Woodward:
In article <qm03pgdfc58i7bs5vcn105jftlve56en67@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:41:30 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:26:10 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
In that scenario I would have taken Cook downstairs, had him watch me >>>>> saw the iphone in half, and then asked him which part of his body he >>>>> wanted to be next.
That assumes that I was stupid enough to buy an Apple product in the >>>>> first place.
I would add that I am of the opinion that push updates should be
banned and if they are not banned then any company implementing them
be held strictly liable for all resulting damages, with all court
costs being paid by the company regardless of outcome.
And people who ignore security updates run the serious risk of having
all their data stolen by foreign hackers (who might encrypt your data as >>> well).
What makes you think that there are no hackers in your country?
USA I presume.....
For some years, Russia and some of its neighbors have been well
established safe havens for organized cybercrime. Ask any security expert.
I did - and they said, well, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, New York,
On 05/12/2021 10:55, John W Kennedy wrote:
On 12/4/21 6:00 PM, Rink wrote:scripts are all over the place, and any 11 year-old knows how to get to
Op 15-11-2021 om 6:48 schreef Robert Woodward:
In article <qm03pgdfc58i7bs5vcn105jftlve56en67@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:41:30 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:26:10 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
Pearls Before Swine: Software Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
Is Cook as insistent as Microsoft ?
In that scenario I would have taken Cook downstairs, had him watch me >>>>>> saw the iphone in half, and then asked him which part of his body he >>>>>> wanted to be next.
That assumes that I was stupid enough to buy an Apple product in the >>>>>> first place.
I would add that I am of the opinion that push updates should be
banned and if they are not banned then any company implementing them >>>>> be held strictly liable for all resulting damages, with all court
costs being paid by the company regardless of outcome.
And people who ignore security updates run the serious risk of having
all their data stolen by foreign hackers (who might encrypt your data as >>>> well).
What makes you think that there are no hackers in your country?
USA I presume.....
For some years, Russia and some of its neighbors have been well
established safe havens for organized cybercrime. Ask any security expert. >> I did - and they said, well, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, New York, >Sydney, Coober Pedy, ... Really, just about anywhere these days, the
the Dark Web.
State-sponsored hacking - USA, UK, North Korea, Russia, China, Pakistan, >India, ... Again, effectively everywhere.
On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 13:50:18 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
<grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
And generally speaking a good firewall (and I really wish they would
quit calling software that runs on the target system "a firewall", it
isn't) will be more effective at blocking attacks that exploit
software bugs than will weekly updates which may introduce more holes
than they patch (contrary to the theory behind "agile" you cannot
properly test an OS the size of Windows in a week).
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