• LNH: Classic LNH Adventures #226: LNH vII #51, 52, and some add-ons

    From Arthur Spitzer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 21:30:34 2021
    For the Martin Phipps #51 and Jeanne Morningstar #51 add-on to that issue
    click this link:
    https://lnh.diamond-age.net/wiki/Legion_of_Net.Heroes_Volume_2
    There are footnotes which will take you to those issues.

    Okay. And here are the final two issues of the Martin Phipps' Burns All
    His Bridges Trilogy.


    First we have the Lalo Martins version of LNH vII #51. And some add-ons by Jeanne Morningstar and Drew Nilium. Will this issue lead to some kumbaya moment that will cause all the LNH Writers to hold hands and sing 'Kumbaya'? And will World Peace follow?


    Next we have Saxon Brenton on #52 -- Will this issue lead to another flame
    way? (Yes!) And will all those rumors of Saxon Brenton's demise turn out
    to be false?


    Find out in...






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    ADVENTURES #226


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    LNH vII #51, 52, and some add-ons
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    https://lnh.diamond-age.net/wiki/Legion_of_Net.Heroes_Volume_2

    From: Lalo Martins lalo.martins at gmail.com
    Date: Wed Jun 20 07:34:13 PDT 2012


    "The New 51"

    Kid Enthusiastic burst into the cafeteria.

    "Guys, we have a problem!"

    "What is it?", asked WikiBoy.

    "I have no idea."

    "Then", asked Sister State-The-Obvious, "how can you be so sure?"

    "It was just a feeling. Like, I don't know. Reality being rewritten, or a flamewar collapsing somewhere, stories dying, or a lot of characters blinking out of... well, if not existence, at least general usability."

    Masterplan Lad shrugged. "Maybe it's for the best?"

    "I'd rather not risk it", said Kid E.

    Weirdness Magnet finished his mousse and let out a long sigh. "We could ask Fourth Wall Lass or somebody like that."

    "Haven't seen her in a while", said Sister State-The-Obvious.

    "Wikiboy", Masterplan Lad said, "you have the ability figure out what happened."

    "All right." He blinked and immediately blushed. "Yeah. I think we'd better just leave it alone. It seems to be over, in any case. Plus, I'm not a frog. Which is good."

    ~~~~~

    Kid Enthusiastic is Andrew Perron's.
    Wikiboy is Tom Russel's.
    Sister State-The-Obvious is wReam's.
    Masterplan Lad is Adrian J. McClure's.
    Weirdness Magnet is Lalo Martins'.

    -- Lalo "Mother Mary" Martins


    From: Adrian J. McClure mrfantastic7 at gmail.com
    Date: Wed Jun 20 07:39:52 PDT 2012


    Legion of Net.Heroes v2 #51 add-on, by Adrian J. McClure

    Sarcastic Lad walked into the cafeteria. "Hey WikiBoy, you're a frog!"

    WikiBoy tried to sight, but all he could do was croak.

    TO BE CONTINUED IN LNH V2 #52: JENNY EVERYWHERE AND THE LEGION OF
    NET.HEROES!

    From: Andrew Perron pwerdna at gmail.com
    Date: Wed Jun 20 08:10:28 PDT 2012


    "By the way," said Kid Enthusiastic, "have you guys met my friend, Fairy Princess Lad?"

    He stepped to the side to reveal a twelve-year-old boy wearing a pink
    leotard, a tutu, and a domino mask, holding a sparkly magic wand. He had iridescent dragonfly wings growing out of his back, and looked distinctly ill-at-ease. "Er, hi..."

    "Oh, hey," said Weirdness Magnet.

    "Nice to meet you!" said Sister State-The-Obvious.

    "Hello," said Masterplan Lad.

    "Croak," said WikiBoy.

    "He wanted to join up, but, I dunno, he thought somebody would have a
    problem or something?" Kid E shrugged!

    "We certainly don't have anyone like you!" said Sister State-The-Obvious.
    "If your powers can beat a test in the Peril Room, you'll be able to join!"

    "Well, I can fly, and I have this fairy dust that calms people down..."

    Sarcastic Lad, expression gleeful, opened his mouth. "What a--"

    Masterplan Lad levitated him out the window and into the recycling bins.

    Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, just a tidbit


    From: Saxon Brenton saxonbrenton at hotmail.com
    Date: Wed Oct 31 16:47:51 PDT 2012

    [LNH/HCC] Legion of Net.Heroes Vol.2 #52 HCC32

    ___ ___________________________
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    | | | [] egion of \ 'The Rumours Of My Demise...'
    | | | []__ [] [] [] [] / (Part of High Concept Challenge #32)
    | | | [___][ \[]et.[]__[]eroes \
    | | | []\ ] [ __ ] / written by and copyright 2012
    | |-| [] [] [] [] \ Saxon Brenton
    | |-|___________________________/ (or *is* it?)
    | |
    | |
    | |
    | | The cover shows Kid Enthusiastic and Fairy Princess Lad bouncing up
    | | and down in excitement while older Legionnaires look on, bemused.
    | |
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    [A Silver Age-style roster of characters in the form of a series of mug
    shots in little circles runs down the side of the title page:]

    Roll call for this issue:
    o Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II!
    o Cynical Lass!
    o Fairy Princess Lad!
    o Kid Enthusiastic!
    o Masterplan Lad!
    o You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad!

    These are just some of the super-powered do-gooders who belong to an organisation that thinks that running around with your underwear on
    the outside is acceptable as a fashion statement. They are: the
    Legion of Net.Heroes!

    @%%%%%%%%%%@

    A teenaged boy in a gaudy costume entered the foyer of the Legion
    of Net.Heroes headquarters. He glanced around, but quickly spotted the reception desk and approached it.
    "Hi. I'm here to join the Legion," he said.
    Fred nodded and passed over the application paperwork. As the
    newcomer took out a pacer pencil to fill in the forms, the receptionist
    asked, "What code name do you go by?"
    "No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad."
    And in response Fred thought .oO( That's going to cause trouble. )

    @%%%%%%%%%%@

    Meanwhile, in the cafeteria:
    "But isn't the word 'kids' gender neutral?" asked Fairy Princess Lad.
    "Mmmm," went Kid Enthusiastic, sounding doubtful. "Maybe in the
    sense that 'man' was supposed to be a gender neutral, but now everyone
    realises that that's just handwaving."
    " 'Kid' is also the description for all young goats, male or female," suggested Fairy Princess Lad.
    "I'm not a goat!" exclaimed Kid Enthusiastic. He pointed at Anal- Retentive Archive Kid II, who was sitting at the other end of the table,
    "And he's not a goat!"
    Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II looked up from the statistical
    analysis of recent crimes that he was processing for Innovative Offense
    Lad. "What's the problem?" he asked the two pre-teens.
    "We're trying to figure out what you Anal-Retentive Archive Kids
    should be called. As a group, I mean," explained Fairy Princess Lad.
    The orc put down his computer pad. "I would have thought 'Anal-
    Retentive Archive Kids' would have been good enough. And that's
    assuming we need a group name at all. There's only two of us, and
    that's a lot less than all the Nope Lads and Lasses who joined as a
    result of Hex Luthor's Net.Hero Registration Act."
    "The Nope-I'm-Not-Training-To-Be-A-Net.Hero members weren't
    planning on staying around, so they didn't see a need to form a properly
    named sub-group," pointed out Kid Enthusiastic.
    "Well I'm not either," pointed out ARAK II. "Summer job, remember?"
    "You're planning on staying around long enough to actually work for
    the Legion, not just train under them," countered Fairy Princess Lad.
    "And go on missions, and everything!"
    "And at some point there's going to be an Anal-Retentive Archive
    Kid who's a girl," said Kid Enthusiastic. "And you'll have to be ready
    for that, otherwise it'll be like with the Hyphenated Eaters Corps all
    over again."
    Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II nodded. He remembered that. Well,
    not directly, because it had been a bit before his time, but he'd heard accounts of the kerfuffle when Spicy-Mexican-Food-Eater Lass had found
    out what the male members of their group had wanted to register the name
    of their team as. [_Legion of Net.Heroes Volume 2_ #27 - Footnote Girl]
    "Ooo! Ooo!" went Kid Enthusiastic, bouncing up and down in his seat
    as he suddenly got an idea. "The word 'kinder' means 'children', and
    that's gender neutral. ARA Kinder!" he speculated in rather sloppy
    German.
    "Ooo! Ooo!" went Fairy Princess Lad, echoing his friend. "And that
    can be turned into an internet pun: ARA Kindles!" The two boys high
    fived each other.
    ARAK II looked at them with bemusement. "I've never understood the
    need to make internet puns out of everything," he said.
    "Oh, it's because our stories are distributed over the internet,"
    said Kid Enthusiastic matter-of-factly.
    Well, yes, they were. But the Legion's licensed merchandise was
    also dual published in hard copy - the so-called dead tree format - and
    had been for a long time. And then there were all the TV adaptation and direct-to-video productions. Like he'd just said, ARAK II didn't quite
    get the emphasis on the internet distribution. He spotted Cynical
    Lass's expression. She was sitting a table over from them, and had a
    look on her face which he completely misinterpreted as, 'They're
    children. Let them play their games while they've still got the
    energy.' Actually what she was thinking was, 'You poor schmuck. If
    you think I'm going to explain to you that we're all fictional
    characters in an imaginary world then you've got another thing coming.'
    The new applicant wandered into the cafeteria. The still exuberant
    Kid Enthusiastic saw him, motioned for him to sit down, and then said,
    "Hi there. Who are you?"
    "I'm No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad."
    A hush fell across the cafeteria as various LNHers just *stared* at N!ICBSB!HD!Lad.
    Except for Cynical Lass, who face palmed as it occurred to her that
    it wasn't just saying things out loud that counted as tempting fate.
    Some days that you just couldn't risk an ironic thought even in the
    privacy of your own head.
    And except for Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II, who asked, "Who's
    Saxon Brenton?"
    You could practically hear all the eyeballs squeak as they
    swivelled from No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad to Anal-
    Retentive Archive Kid II.
    "He's a Writer," said Kid Enthusiastic.
    "Yes, I got that," said ARAK II. "Between So-Lame-Even-Saxon- Brenton-Wouldn't-Use-Him-In-A-Story Lad and Joyce Carol Oates Lass, it's obvious that some people codename themselves after writers." He had
    long since finished eating his lunch, so he absently stacked the cutlery
    on his empty plate before standing up and placing the plate at an
    adjacent collection point. "I just don't know who he *is*. I've never
    seen a library catalog entry for anything he's written. What does he
    write? Science fiction? Romance? Neo-Edwardian comedies of manners?"
    "Superhero parody," said Masterplan Lad. "We're in one of them at
    the moment."
    "Oh yeah," said You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad, glancing
    upwards towards the from: line among the headers at the start of the
    posting. "I hadn't noticed the email address."
    "Forged address," said No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead!
    Lad with a grim earnestness. "Someone's pretending to be him. Identity
    theft of a dead man. Pretty ghoulish, really."
    Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II sighed. "Cut the comedy, people.
    This is no time for those Church of the Fourth Walls gags."
    Sister-State-The-Obvious looked surprised. "You don't know that
    you're fictional?"
    "I'm not. We're not. Which is good, because if we were then the
    master's degree I've been slaving at for the past few years would be
    useless."
    You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad turned to Masterplan Lad and
    said, "You'd better bring him up to speed."
    Masterplan Lad had been considering No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!- He's-Dead! Lad's words, but now he arched an eyebrow. Was it
    cluelessness that made YNHMHELad completely miss the nuance of what the
    orc had just said? Callousness? Or a ruthless commitment to the truth
    at any cost?" The latter, at least, was a respectable reason to
    Masterplan Lad's way of thinking. He shrugged, then walked over to
    ARAK II, and for maybe a minute had an serious conversation with him in
    lowered tones.
    The look on ARAK's face went from irritation, to surprise, then on
    to utter horror. The turn around time in convincing the young orc of
    the truthfulness of their claims was astonishingly quick, but Masterplan
    Lad was one of the Knights Temporal, and there were few other LNHers who
    were as familiar with continuity and fictionality as he was. In any
    case, within less than sixty seconds he had ARAK II accepting the
    notion. At which point Anal-Retentive Archive Kid burst into angry
    tears.
    Masterplan Lad was so startled by this that he reflexively took a
    step backwards and half raised his umbrella. "I... What...?" he
    stammered, uncharacteristically taken aback.
    "All the research work I've done for the past six years is pretty
    much pointless now," ARAK snarled. "And the worst thing is that it
    isn't a problem I can deal with by punching it!"
    You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad gave him a particularly
    intense look. He always seemed to pay more attention when there a
    chance of punching involved. "And you're not gonna just hit someone
    else instead?"
    "What, and play kill-the-messenger? I'm not stupid, Hard Enough,"
    ARAK said dismissively. He wiped his sleeve across his snout in a quick
    angry gesture to deal with his sniffles. "Honest advice is too valuable
    to waste just because you don't like what you hear."
    Cynical Lass invaded ARAK's personal space, stood right in front
    of him and pointedly got in-his-face to demand, "So what's the big deal
    with research, then? After all, didn't you once say that it was
    basically just politics?"
    He frowned at her. "It's an overview of the mechanics of a multi- species society, based on how all the mutants and aliens have integrated
    here in Net.ropolis. Going by how other groups have developed, at
    *some* point in the next few centuries my people," and here he thumped a
    fist on his chest for emphasis, "are probably going to start giving up tribalism and move towards settled urban living. If I can produce a
    working blueprint then the chances of conflict, and especially of them
    being slaughtered by a technologically superior civilisation, will be
    reduced." He started pacing about in a small circle. "But if this
    world is fictional, then that all goes out the window. I shouldn't be
    worrying about politics and social dynamics, because those aren't the
    elements that will ensure their survival. Convincing everyone else that
    orcs are interesting characters who they'll want to have around is what
    I'll need to do, which means I'd do better by taking a creative writing
    course and churning out bestseller potboilers aimed at the mass market."
    He rounded on Cynical Lass and pointed an accusing finger at her. "And
    you..." - and he paused as his brain caught up with his mouth - "...have
    just tricked me into brainstorming a solution to my own problem."
    "Yes. Obviously," said Cynical Lass, straight faced.
    "Thank you," said ARAK II. He reached into his pockets and brought
    out three brightly coloured rubber balls and began to juggle. It seemed
    to be so that he had something to do with his hands, since he continued
    to pace about and hardly paid any attention to the spheres that he had
    whizzing about. Only Masterplan Lad noticed that although they were all
    the same size they seemed to have different weights, making ARAK's
    almost absent minded juggling feat all the more impressive.
    Meanwhile, Fairy Princess Lad was agog. "You worked out all that
    in two minutes flat, from the standing start of a nasty surprise?"
    Masterplan Lad spoke up in ARAK II's stead: "To be fair, it's a
    rather obvious conclusion when you stop to consider the evidence." Then
    to ARAK II he said, "However, there's another piece of information that
    could modify your conclusions."
    Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II glanced curiously at Masterplan Lad. "Really? Okay then, let's hear it."
    "There's at least one of the Legion Writers who takes absolute
    delight in exploring the nature of a multi-species society in a
    superhuman world," said Masterplan Lad, pedantically.
    "Well, that sounds great," said ARAK. "Who is it?"
    "Your Writer."
    "Ah," breathed ARAK, knowingly. "Ask not for divine intervention,
    lest you discover that you yourself are the instrument that enacts that intervention. How very C.S. Lewis." Then he recognised the rather
    strange looks that the others were giving him, and the last piece of the
    puzzle fell into place. "But there's the small drawback that that
    Writer was Saxon Brenton, right?"
    "Yes."
    "Huh. I guess that brings us back to you, then," ARAK said to No!- It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad. "What are the circumstances
    he died in? Maybe there's something in his writing I can use, or
    salvage from his legacy, or whatever."
    No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad shrugged. "Sometime
    after he got back to Australia in July after RACC-Con, he died. After
    all, he hasn't been putting out any editions of the _End Of Month
    Review_ recently."
    "There were really long periods when he wasn't putting out the _End
    Of Month Review_ last year, either," pointed out You're-Not-Hitting-Me- Hard-Enough Lad.
    "Plus," said N!ICBSB!HD!Lad, raising a finger to stave off further protests. "The cheque hasn't been cashed."
    "What cheque?" asked Cynical lass.
    "During RACC-Con Arthur Spitzer stayed in the same hotel room with
    Saxon Brenton," explain N!ICBSB!HD!Lad. "When Arthur went home he wrote
    a cheque to cover the cost of the days he was sharing. That cheque
    still hasn't been cashed. That's not what you'd expect from someone who
    has to cover costs from an overseas vacation."
    Masterplan Lad had been listening carefully to this, and now he
    identified what had been troubling him. "No," he said. "That is
    factually incorrect. On the evening Arthur arrived at the Benicia Best
    Western Saxon hadn't made proper preparations with the front desk for
    him to check in while the others were at the barbeque at Rob Roger's
    household, and Arthur had had to book into another room for one night
    - a room booking that was only covered by Scott Eiler's blanket offer to subsidise RACC-Con attendees. The cheque has gone uncashed not because
    of inability, but because of a sense of guilt!"
    No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad gave Masterplan Lad a
    deadly glare and took a threatening step forward. His eyes glowed red.
    Fairy Princess Lad exclaimed, "Now just calm down," and sprinkled
    some of his sparkly magic dust in the N!ICBSB!HD!Lad's direction.
    However it seemed to have no effect.
    You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad leapt forward with his battle
    cry, "No, you villain! Hit *me*!" (Finally, some action after all that exposition.) Unfortunately No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead!
    Lad used an aikido-like move on him, taking the boisterous net.hero's
    own momentum and using it against him - grabbing YNHMHELad and throwing
    him out through the ceiling of the LNH-HQ, such that he would land about
    two miles away. So, sure, YNHMHELad will have absorbed an impressive
    amount of kinetic energy to boost his strength, but it will take him a
    while to get back to the fight.
    Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II threw one of the balls at him. The
    blue one. The one with the solid steel centre under the thin rubber
    outer covering. It hit No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad
    square in the face, where it made a 'bonnggg!' sound effect of metal on
    metal. "Killer robot!" ARAK yelled, and then had to dive for cover when N!ICBSB!HD!Lad blasted out a laser beam death ray from his frickin'
    eyeballs.
    The other Legionnaires were manoeuvring for their own counter-
    attacks. The first, perhaps surprisingly, was Fairy Princess Lad, who
    promptly went Sailor Moon on N!ICBSB!HD!Lad. He glowed and sparkled and yelled, "Villain! In the name of Queen Titania and Lord Oberon, I will
    punish you!"
    And then Fairy Princess Lad unleashed a power blast from his hands
    that slammed N!ICBSB!HD!Lad back across the cafeteria and through a wall
    of solid strongstuffium with an enormous WHHAMMM!!!, pulverising the trouble-making robot and leaving a large hole in its wake.
    The Legionnaires all stared at the hole in the wall. The only
    sound was the occasional light 'ping' as the metal started to cool.
    "Huh," went Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II.
    "I didn't know he could do that," said Kid Enthusiastic.
    "Always a useful power to have, though," pointed out Cynical Lass.
    "Not the type of ability I would have expected from someone
    channelling the Powers That Be of Dom Daniel," observed Masterplan Lad.
    Fairy Princess Lad came over to ARAK II and gave him a big hug.
    ARAK looked at him. "What was that for?"
    Fairy Princess Lad gave him a serious expression and said, "Big
    scary orcs who are secure enough with themselves that they don't need to
    take it out on others when they're upset deserve hugs."
    "Really? I don't remember that rule. Did I miss a memo?"
    "I just made it up."
    "Ah. Well, that explains it then," said ARAK II, patting Fairy
    Princess Lad on the back. "Okay then. Thanks. Now, I suppose we
    should collect the remains of that robot."
    Cynical Lass rolled her eyes. "Oh please. How are we supposed to
    get recurring villains if you go around acting responsibly, securing
    defeated bad guys and tidying up dangerous messes?"
    And the scary thing was, ARAK II didn't have enough experience with
    the whole 'recognising the cliches of a superhero parody story' to tell
    whether her protest was serious or not.


    =====

    Character credits:
    Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II and No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad created by Saxon Brenton.
    Cynical Lass created by Rob Rogers.
    Fairy Princess Lad and Kid Enthusiastic created by Andrew Perron.
    Masterplan Lad created by Adrian J. McClure.
    Sister-State-The-Obvious created by wReam (Ray Bingham).
    You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad create by Arthur Spitzer.


    Author's notes:
    Written for the 32nd High Concept Challenge: "I'm Late!"
    Reading back through this now that it's written, this is easily one
    of the most meta and self-referential stories I've written in years.
    Notwithstanding all the confusion about numbering in this series
    - ranging from the fact that I have yet to finish the second half of
    LNHv.2 #48, that the Writers collectively have yet to finish the
    LNHv.2 #50 roundtable story, or the disagreements about LNHv.2 #51
    - I'm reasonably sure that the issue number of 52 hasn't been claimed
    yet... What's that? A phone call from DC Comics complaining that
    they've copyrighted the number 52? Awww, man...


    -----
    Saxon Brenton University of Technology, city library, Sydney Australia
    saxon.brenton at uts.edu.au saxonbrenton at hotmail.com
    "These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time-travel." - Superman, JLA Classified #3


    ==========
    Next Week: Probably doing some Holiday stuff. So see you in 2022!
    ==========

    Arthur "Same Classic Channel. But Same Time? Probably not." Spitzer

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  • From Martin Phipps@21:1/5 to Arthur Spitzer on Sun Dec 19 22:53:52 2021
    On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 5:30:36 AM UTC+8, Arthur Spitzer wrote:
    For the Martin Phipps #51 and Jeanne Morningstar #51 add-on to that issue click this link: https://lnh.diamond-age.net/wiki/Legion_of_Net.Heroes_Volume_2
    There are footnotes which will take you to those issues.

    Okay. And here are the final two issues of the Martin Phipps' Burns All
    His Bridges Trilogy.

    Yes. It is good that it is somehow still available.

    People at the time could not handle gay people being in the LNH. It was 2012. You would have thought people would have been more enlightened.

    Martin

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  • From Amabel Holland@21:1/5 to imelda...@gmail.com on Mon Dec 20 01:27:36 2021
    On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:53:53 PM UTC-5, imelda...@gmail.com wrote:

    People at the time could not handle gay people being in the LNH. It was 2012. You would have thought people would have been more enlightened.

    I really shouldn't wade into this, and pretty much everyone who is here to read this today was there when it happened, but: that's not at all accurate, Martin.

    It wasn't the presence of gay characters, but your handling of them, that folks objected to - many of the folks who raised those objections were themselves LGBTQ+, and were speaking from a place of experience.

    I hope you can reflect on that, and better understand the concerns that were raised at this time. Hope at least springs eternal.

    With kindness,

    Amabel

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  • From Scott Eiler@21:1/5 to Martin Phipps on Mon Dec 20 02:41:33 2021
    On 2021-12-19 14:53, Martin Phipps wrote:

    People at the time could not handle gay people being in the LNH. It
    was 2012. You would have thought people would have been more enlightened.

    For my own part, I do not care who's in the LNH, and I made my peace
    with gay people around 1981. University taught me things other than in classrooms.

    --
    -- (signed) Scott Eiler 8{D> ------ http://www.eilertech.com/ -------

    "Your Royal Highness, instead of devoting yourself exclusively
    to Minerva, should, instead, rather offer sacrifice at the altars
    of Bacchus, Orpheus, Venus, and Morpheus."

    - Advice to Prince Duarte of Portugal. From "The golden age of
    Prince Henry the Navigator", by Joaquim Pedro Oliveira Martins.
    Coming soon to Project Gutenberg.

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  • From Jeanne Morningstar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 20 04:58:27 2021
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdaeCpIqmA

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  • From Drew Nilium@21:1/5 to Drew Nilium on Mon Dec 20 05:05:54 2021
    On 12/19/21 11:51 PM, Drew Nilium wrote:
    Oh hi! Blocked!

    I'd definitely recommend everyone else block him as well. <3

    Drew "don't feed the trolls amirite" Nilium

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  • From Drew Nilium@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 20 04:51:58 2021
    Oh hi! Blocked!

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  • From Martin Phipps@21:1/5 to Drew Perron on Mon Dec 20 11:34:35 2021
    On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:05:55 PM UTC+8, Drew Perron wrote:
    On 12/19/21 11:51 PM, Drew Nilium wrote:
    Oh hi! Blocked!

    I'd definitely recommend everyone else block him as well. <3

    Drew "don't feed the trolls amirite" Nilium

    You have not been missed.

    Martin

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  • From Martin Phipps@21:1/5 to Drew Perron on Mon Dec 20 11:32:46 2021
    On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:52:00 PM UTC+8, Drew Perron wrote:
    Oh hi! Blocked!

    This childishness is not unexpected.

    Martin

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  • From Martin Phipps@21:1/5 to holland...@gmail.com on Mon Dec 20 11:34:49 2021
    On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:27:37 AM UTC+8, holland...@gmail.com wrote:

    It wasn't the presence of gay characters, but your handling of them, that folks objected to - many of the folks who raised those objections were themselves LGBTQ+, and were speaking from a place of experience.

    My description was accurate. It's like saying that a person could not write Flatulence Lad unless he farted a lot. People at the time were missing the whole point of the LNH. We too ordinary characteristics like sleeplessness or apathy and we
    described them as superpowers. Why could we not do the same thing with homosexuality? Do I have to be gay to create homosexual characters? Do I have to be a woman to create female characters? Do I have to be black to create black characters? This is
    why comics characters in the 60s were mostly white, male and straight. I hope people can understand this. If people from back then are still around then I would appreciate a sincere apology from every single one of them.

    Martin

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  • From Amabel Holland@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 20 13:13:05 2021
    That's a straw man argument. You don't need to experience something to write about it, but you do need to listen to others who have experienced that thing when they tell you your depiction is hurtful.

    Like I said, I shouldn't have waded into this -- I have this strange defect where I think if I keep trying and I can find just the right words, that I'll get through, that you'll think, even for just a moment, that maybe you're wrong and everyone else is
    right instead of vice-versa. But that never worked in the past, so why would it work now?

    Anyway, you won't get any such apology from me. I truly wish you well, but won't be engaging any further.

    Best,

    Amabel

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  • From Martin Phipps@21:1/5 to holland...@gmail.com on Tue Dec 21 01:14:55 2021
    On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:13:06 PM UTC+8, holland...@gmail.com wrote:
    You don't need to experience something to write about it,

    Thank you for confirming that I did absolutely nothing wrong and that I therefore deserve my apologies.

    Martin

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  • From Drew Nilium@21:1/5 to Arthur Spitzer on Tue Dec 21 04:19:05 2021
    On 12/19/21 4:30 PM, Arthur Spitzer wrote:
    <snip>
    Okay. And here are the final two issues of the Martin Phipps' Burns All
    His Bridges Trilogy.

    And then we never had to deal with him again! <3 And I plan to continue that streak.

    Next we have Saxon Brenton on #52 -- Will this issue lead to another flame way? (Yes!)

    Oh yeah, I vaguely remember that. X3 God, what nonsense. I'd love to see a follow-up on this someday, tho. <3

    Kid Enthusiastic burst into the cafeteria.

    "Guys, we have a problem!"

    "What is it?", asked WikiBoy.

    "I have no idea."

    This was great. X3

    "It was just a feeling. Like, I don't know. Reality being rewritten, or a flamewar collapsing
    somewhere, stories dying, or a lot of characters blinking out of... well, if not existence, at
    least general usability."

    I love what we did with that! :>

    "Wikiboy", Masterplan Lad said, "you have the ability figure out what happened."

    "All right." He blinked and immediately blushed. "Yeah. I think we'd better just leave it alone.
    It seems to be over, in any case. Plus, I'm not a frog. Which is good."

    Accurate. X3 <3

    Sarcastic Lad walked into the cafeteria. "Hey WikiBoy, you're a frog!"

    WikiBoy tried to sight, but all he could do was croak.

    TO BE CONTINUED IN LNH V2 #52: JENNY EVERYWHERE AND THE LEGION OF
    NET.HEROES!

    I love this gag. X3

    "By the way," said Kid Enthusiastic, "have you guys met my friend, Fairy Princess Lad?"

    He stepped to the side to reveal a twelve-year-old boy wearing a pink leotard, a tutu, and a domino mask, holding a sparkly magic wand. He had iridescent dragonfly wings growing out of his back, and looked distinctly ill-at-ease. "Er, hi..."

    FUCK YEAH. One of my first *really* gender-nonconforming characters. :3

    "Well, I can fly, and I have this fairy dust that calms people down..."

    Sarcastic Lad, expression gleeful, opened his mouth. "What a--"

    Masterplan Lad levitated him out the window and into the recycling bins.

    Love it. X3

    | | The cover shows Kid Enthusiastic and Fairy Princess Lad bouncing up
    | | and down in excitement while older Legionnaires look on, bemused.

    I'm so happy Saxon took my new character and immediately ran with him. :3

    Roll call for this issue:
    o Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II!
    o Cynical Lass!
    o Fairy Princess Lad!
    o Kid Enthusiastic!
    o Masterplan Lad!
    o You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad!

    I really enjoy this period where the "core LNH" was defined by #50 and included Masterplan Lad. X3 He's the kind of character that has a lot of crossover appeal.

    These are just some of the super-powered do-gooders who belong to an organisation that thinks that running around with your underwear on
    the outside is acceptable as a fashion statement. They are: the
    Legion of Net.Heroes!

    I also love this summary Saxon came up with.

    "No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad."
    And in response Fred thought .oO( That's going to cause trouble. )

    Heeheehee

    "But isn't the word 'kids' gender neutral?" asked Fairy Princess Lad.
    "Mmmm," went Kid Enthusiastic, sounding doubtful. "Maybe in the
    sense that 'man' was supposed to be a gender neutral, but now everyone realises that that's just handwaving."

    Now, personally, I super disagree, "Kid" is super gender neutral in my book. However, I also enjoy what this leads to. n.n

    " 'Kid' is also the description for all young goats, male or female," suggested Fairy Princess Lad.
    "I'm not a goat!" exclaimed Kid Enthusiastic. He pointed at Anal- Retentive Archive Kid II, who was sitting at the other end of the table,
    "And he's not a goat!"

    I love this X3 <3

    "Ooo! Ooo!" went Kid Enthusiastic, bouncing up and down in his seat
    as he suddenly got an idea. "The word 'kinder' means 'children', and
    that's gender neutral. ARA Kinder!" he speculated in rather sloppy
    German.
    "Ooo! Ooo!" went Fairy Princess Lad, echoing his friend. "And that
    can be turned into an internet pun: ARA Kindles!" The two boys high
    fived each other.

    See? Super cute!
    =
    She was sitting a table over from them, and had a
    look on her face which he completely misinterpreted as, 'They're
    children. Let them play their games while they've still got the
    energy.' Actually what she was thinking was, 'You poor schmuck. If
    you think I'm going to explain to you that we're all fictional
    characters in an imaginary world then you've got another thing coming.'

    X3

    "I'm No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad."
    A hush fell across the cafeteria as various LNHers just *stared* at N!ICBSB!HD!Lad.
    Except for Cynical Lass, who face palmed as it occurred to her that
    it wasn't just saying things out loud that counted as tempting fate.
    Some days that you just couldn't risk an ironic thought even in the
    privacy of your own head.

    X3 X3 X3

    You could practically hear all the eyeballs squeak

    Love it

    "I just don't know who he *is*. I've never
    seen a library catalog entry for anything he's written. What does he
    write? Science fiction? Romance? Neo-Edwardian comedies of manners?"
    "Superhero parody," said Masterplan Lad. "We're in one of them at
    the moment."
    "Oh yeah," said You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad, glancing
    upwards towards the from: line among the headers at the start of the
    posting. "I hadn't noticed the email address."
    "Forged address," said No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead!
    Lad with a grim earnestness. "Someone's pretending to be him. Identity theft of a dead man. Pretty ghoulish, really."

    Astounding. X3

    The look on ARAK's face went from irritation, to surprise, then on
    to utter horror. The turn around time in convincing the young orc of
    the truthfulness of their claims was astonishingly quick, but Masterplan
    Lad was one of the Knights Temporal, and there were few other LNHers who
    were as familiar with continuity and fictionality as he was. In any
    case, within less than sixty seconds he had ARAK II accepting the
    notion. At which point Anal-Retentive Archive Kid burst into angry
    tears.

    Aw bby. ;.;

    He frowned at her. "It's an overview of the mechanics of a multi- species society, based on how all the mutants and aliens have integrated
    here in Net.ropolis. Going by how other groups have developed, at
    *some* point in the next few centuries my people," and here he thumped a
    fist on his chest for emphasis, "are probably going to start giving up tribalism and move towards settled urban living. If I can produce a
    working blueprint then the chances of conflict, and especially of them
    being slaughtered by a technologically superior civilisation, will be reduced." He started pacing about in a small circle. "But if this
    world is fictional, then that all goes out the window. I shouldn't be worrying about politics and social dynamics, because those aren't the elements that will ensure their survival. Convincing everyone else that
    orcs are interesting characters who they'll want to have around is what
    I'll need to do,

    Ah, a newbie to fictionality who doesn't realize that, if you're doing something
    like that, it's because your writer, at least, thinks it's interesting, and probably has an audience who does too. o3o

    "There's at least one of the Legion Writers who takes absolute
    delight in exploring the nature of a multi-species society in a
    superhuman world," said Masterplan Lad, pedantically.
    "Well, that sounds great," said ARAK. "Who is it?"
    "Your Writer."
    "Ah," breathed ARAK, knowingly. "Ask not for divine intervention,
    lest you discover that you yourself are the instrument that enacts that intervention. How very C.S. Lewis."

    But that's such an amazing way to respond to that revelation. X3

    "Plus," said N!ICBSB!HD!Lad, raising a finger to stave off further protests. "The cheque hasn't been cashed."
    "What cheque?" asked Cynical lass.
    "During RACC-Con Arthur Spitzer stayed in the same hotel room with Saxon Brenton," explain N!ICBSB!HD!Lad. "When Arthur went home he wrote
    a cheque to cover the cost of the days he was sharing. That cheque
    still hasn't been cashed. That's not what you'd expect from someone who
    has to cover costs from an overseas vacation."
    Masterplan Lad had been listening carefully to this, and now he identified what had been troubling him. "No," he said. "That is
    factually incorrect. On the evening Arthur arrived at the Benicia Best Western Saxon hadn't made proper preparations with the front desk for
    him to check in while the others were at the barbeque at Rob Roger's household, and Arthur had had to book into another room for one night
    - a room booking that was only covered by Scott Eiler's blanket offer to subsidise RACC-Con attendees. The cheque has gone uncashed not because
    of inability, but because of a sense of guilt!"

    This is so fucking wonderful. X3 <3 <3 <3 Such a good meta.

    You're-Not-Hitting-Me-Hard-Enough Lad leapt forward with his battle cry, "No, you villain! Hit *me*!"

    The best battlecry!

    Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II threw one of the balls at him. The
    blue one. The one with the solid steel centre under the thin rubber
    outer covering. It hit No!-It-Can't-Be-Saxon-Brenton!-He's-Dead! Lad
    square in the face, where it made a 'bonnggg!' sound effect of metal on metal. "Killer robot!" ARAK yelled,

    Love it love it :3

    The other Legionnaires were manoeuvring for their own counter-
    attacks. The first, perhaps surprisingly, was Fairy Princess Lad, who promptly went Sailor Moon on N!ICBSB!HD!Lad. He glowed and sparkled and yelled, "Villain! In the name of Queen Titania and Lord Oberon, I will punish you!"
    And then Fairy Princess Lad unleashed a power blast from his hands
    that slammed N!ICBSB!HD!Lad back across the cafeteria and through a wall
    of solid strongstuffium with an enormous WHHAMMM!!!, pulverising the trouble-making robot and leaving a large hole in its wake.
    The Legionnaires all stared at the hole in the wall. The only
    sound was the occasional light 'ping' as the metal started to cool.
    "Huh," went Anal-Retentive Archive Kid II.
    "I didn't know he could do that," said Kid Enthusiastic.

    Me either but I absolutely love it. X3 <3 <3 <3

    Fairy Princess Lad came over to ARAK II and gave him a big hug.
    ARAK looked at him. "What was that for?"
    Fairy Princess Lad gave him a serious expression and said, "Big
    scary orcs who are secure enough with themselves that they don't need to
    take it out on others when they're upset deserve hugs."
    "Really? I don't remember that rule. Did I miss a memo?"
    "I just made it up."
    "Ah. Well, that explains it then," said ARAK II, patting Fairy Princess Lad on the back.

    FUCKING PRECIOUS. :D

    Cynical Lass rolled her eyes. "Oh please. How are we supposed to
    get recurring villains if you go around acting responsibly, securing
    defeated bad guys and tidying up dangerous messes?"
    And the scary thing was, ARAK II didn't have enough experience with
    the whole 'recognising the cliches of a superhero parody story' to tell whether her protest was serious or not.

    heeheeheehee

    - I'm reasonably sure that the issue number of 52 hasn't been claimed
    yet... What's that? A phone call from DC Comics complaining that
    they've copyrighted the number 52? Awww, man...

    x3 <3

    "These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time-travel." - Superman, JLA Classified #3

    Such an appropriate quote.

    Drew "love the LNH" Nilium

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  • From Dave Van Domelen@21:1/5 to imeldaphipps2@gmail.com on Tue Dec 21 18:54:50 2021
    In article <5f066187-004b-4708-9290-9de40186d868n@googlegroups.com>,
    Martin Phipps <imeldaphipps2@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:52:00 PM UTC+8, Drew Perron wrote:
    Oh hi! Blocked!

    This childishness is not unexpected.

    It is also well-earned. You may think of yourself as the only Real
    Adult In The Room, but that would be self-delusion. You're a petty troll, pretty much always have been, certain that your way is the only true way and everyone else should follow your lead or get out of the way. You've been
    shown the door before, you know where it is.

    Dave Van Domelen, "Plonk"

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  • From Jeanne Morningstar@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 21 20:20:45 2021
    Sigh. Looking at this post, I'm catapulted right back to one of the most difficult times in my life. I got back into LNH after a series of big
    life events that completely demolished my sense of self. I had just
    finished my master's thesis--this was around the time the movie of
    Breaking Dawn came out, so I compared the experience to giving birth to
    a vampire baby. (In retrospect that was one of those big hmm, maybe not
    so cis in retrospect moments.) I'd also just had a huge traumatic
    breakup of an intensely emotional and confusing semi-romantic
    friendship. We were both intensely spiritual people and a lot of our relationship was built around talking about Christian spirituality, so
    this was the first domino that led to me effectively leaving the
    Catholic Church and becoming queer and trans.

    The whole incident with You Know Who was another domino. I definitely
    reacted extremely at the time, but it's pretty clear now why I did. Back
    then, I didn't think the homophobia was something that affected me
    personally, I was just angry because of the sense of injustice. And this
    was ultimately the last straw that led to me leaving the Catholic
    Church, because I didn't want to be on the same side as the bullies.

    There was a long, painful period where I hadn't really figured out who I
    was and what I was doing, and this led to my writing falling off for a
    while. I had really invested a lot in LNH, using that to recover from everything I'd been through coming into 2012, so having that collapse
    under me was hard.

    I knew I had to build something to replace the things that hadn't worked
    out, so I tried a lot of ideas that didn't work. The Jenny Everywhere
    story that's hinted at here is one of them. I had the vague idea that
    Jenny Everywhere in the LNH universe had been a hero in the Victorian
    period and she'd been their inspiration, their equivalent to Superboy.
    This was a potentially neat idea but, once I had it, I had no idea what
    to do with it and dropped the whole thing.

    I didn't write a lot in 2013 apart from the unfinished Looniverse Y #13.
    By then, though, I'd started posting on tumblr and gotten back into
    Marvel Comics in a major way, through series like the KSD Captain Marvel
    and Fraction/Aja Hawkeye, and getting to know other queer people. All
    this helped me figure out new ways of writing and being, and in 2014 I'd
    help synthesize a new take on the LNH based on that in my parts of Just
    Another Cascade.

    But that's a story for another post.

    For now, I'll just say that even with everything that's going on in
    2021, I'm much better off now than I was then.

    Jeanne Morningstar

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  • From Amabel Holland@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 21 21:39:47 2021
    Jeanne, I just wanted to say that I'm so glad you found yourself. It's a wonderful thing, isn't it? Painful, yes, and there's also so much about the "before time" that becomes painfully clear in retrospect. I regret that it took me so long to see myself -
    especially as, as you and others have pointed out, the clues have been there in my writing all along - but I am so delighted to at long last be comfortable in my own skin.

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  • From Drew Nilium@21:1/5 to Amabel Holland on Wed Dec 22 03:49:17 2021
    On 12/21/21 4:39 PM, Amabel Holland wrote:
    I regret that it took me so long to see myself - especially as, as you and others have pointed
    out, the clues have been there in my writing all along - but I am so delighted to at long last be
    comfortable in my own skin.

    And I'm glad you are too! :D <3 <3 <3

    Drew "happiness radiates!!" Nilium

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  • From Drew Nilium@21:1/5 to Jeanne Morningstar on Wed Dec 22 03:48:28 2021
    On 12/21/21 3:20 PM, Jeanne Morningstar wrote:
    <snip>
    The whole incident with You Know Who was another domino. I definitely reacted extremely at the time, but it's pretty clear now why I did. Back then, I didn't
    think the homophobia was something that affected me personally, I was just angry
    because of the sense of injustice.

    Yeah, that absolutely scans, dear. <3

    And this was ultimately the last straw that
    led to me leaving the Catholic Church, because I didn't want to be on the same
    side as the bullies.

    <3

    I had
    really invested a lot in LNH, using that to recover from everything I'd been through coming into 2012, so having that collapse under me was hard.

    Reasonably.

    This was a potentially neat idea but,
    once I had it, I had no idea what to do with it and dropped the whole thing.

    Yeah, I know that one. X3; "What do I actually do with this idea" dogged me for a long time.

    All this helped me figure out
    new ways of writing and being, and in 2014 I'd help synthesize a new take on the
    LNH based on that in my parts of Just Another Cascade.

    But that's a story for another post.

    Heck yes. :> JAC feels very much like the follow-up to this. Uh, even tho this was finally released during JAC. X3;

    For now, I'll just say that even with everything that's going on in 2021, I'm much better off now than I was then.

    Same. <3

    Drew "pretty happy" Nilium

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  • From Jeanne Morningstar@21:1/5 to Amabel Holland on Wed Dec 22 21:28:07 2021
    On 12/21/21 3:39 PM, Amabel Holland wrote:
    Jeanne, I just wanted to say that I'm so glad you found yourself. It's a wonderful thing, isn't it? Painful, yes, and there's also so much about the "before time" that becomes painfully clear in retrospect. I regret that it took me so long to see
    myself - especially as, as you and others have pointed out, the clues have been there in my writing all along - but I am so delighted to at long last be comfortable in my own skin.

    That's good to hear. The way that we've variously evolved and grown as
    people, in terms of gender and otherwise, and worked through that in our writing is one of the things I really love about RACC/LNH.

    Jeanne Morningstar

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