• "Lord Of The Rings: Rings Of Power" Releases Official Statement Denounc

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 16:04:56 2022
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    "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" drama drags on as its
    official Twitter account just posted a statement of unity with its
    cast, denouncing any fans who are allegedly harassing them.

    "We, the cast of `Rings of Power,' stand together in absolute
    solidarity and against the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and
    abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily
    basis," the Twitter post begins.

    "We refuse to ignore it or tolerate it. JRR Tolkien created a world
    which, by definition, is multi-cultural. A world in which free peoples
    from different races and cultures join together, in fellowship, to
    defeat the forces of evil. `Rings of Power' reflects that."

    The statement assures, "Our world has never been all white, fantasy has
    never been all white, Middle-earth is not all white. BIPOC belong in Middle-earth and they are here to stay."

    The statement concludes by thanking "fans supporting us," especially
    the "fans of colour who are themselves being attacked simply for
    existing in this fandom."

    We stand in solidarity with our cast. #YouAreAllWelcomeHere
    pic.twitter.com/HLIQdyqLmr

    - The Lord of the Rings on Prime (@LOTRonPrime)
    September 7, 2022

    This official statement echoes what so many other critics' reviews have
    been saying about the Amazon series. They insist that negative reviews
    reflect a deeply racist worldview from fans criticizing the series
    simply for having black actors in lead roles.

    However, the less-than-favorable reviews are more likely to mention
    weak character development, bad writing, and an overall failure to
    adhere to Tolkien's original work. Most of the reviews on Rotten
    Tomatoes don't mention the race of the actors at all.

    That hasn't been enough to stop mainstream media from insisting that
    the main reason viewers don't like "Rings of Power" is because of the
    diverse cast. Even the actors from the Peter Jackson "Lord of the
    Rings" adaptation have been speaking out on what they perceive to be
    racist criticism.

    Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, and others posted to social media wearing hats
    and clothing that says in Elvish, "You all are welcome here," with
    several ears of different characters in various color skin tones.

    You Are All Welcome Here @LOTRonPrime @DonMarshall72
    #RingsOfPower
    https://t.co/8txOhlHa2f pic.twitter.com/nWytILT0zG

    - Elijah Wood (@elijahwood) September 7, 2022

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Thu Sep 8 13:22:16 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.fan.tolkien, alt.non.racism

    In article <tfAnof$9oaf$5@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    "THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RINGS OF POWER" drama drags on as its
    official Twitter account just posted a statement of unity with its
    cast, denouncing any fans who are allegedly harassing them.

    "We, the cast of RINGS OF POWER stand together in absolute
    solidarity and against the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and
    abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily basis," the Twitter post begins.

    "We refuse to ignore it or tolerate it."

    So if you're not going to tolerate it, what actions are you taking to
    stop it?

    Just saying, "We won't tolerate it" is only half that battle. Now you
    actually have to take action to stop tolerating it, to stop it from
    happening. That's what "not tolerating" something means. And since you
    can't actually shut people up and stop them from saying things you don't
    like, I'm curious how you're going to actually not tolerate it.

    JRR Tolkien created a world which, by definition, is multi-cultural.
    A world in which free peoples from different races and cultures join together, in fellowship, to defeat the forces of evil. RINGS OF POWER reflects that."

    The statement assures, "Our world has never been all white, fantasy has
    never been all white, Middle-earth is not all white. BIPOC belong in Middle-earth and they are here to stay."

    So the dusky elves are officially bipocks now?

    The statement concludes by thanking "fans supporting us," especially
    the "fans of colour who are themselves being attacked simply for
    existing in this fandom."

    This official statement echoes what so many other critics' reviews have
    been saying about the Amazon series. They insist that negative reviews reflect a deeply racist worldview from fans criticizing the series
    simply for having black actors in lead roles.

    Even when the bad reviews don't say or imply anything about race, the
    'critics' claim it's racism anyway. Apparently it's impossible to
    dislike this show for any reason other than racism, according to the 'progressive' intelligentsia.

    However, the less-than-favorable reviews are more likely to mention
    weak character development, bad writing, and an overall failure to
    adhere to Tolkien's original work. Most of the reviews on Rotten
    Tomatoes don't mention the race of the actors at all.

    That hasn't been enough to stop mainstream media from insisting that
    the main reason viewers don't like RINGS OF POWER is because of the
    diverse cast. Even the actors from the Peter Jackson LORD OF THE
    RINGS adaptation have been speaking out on what they perceive to be
    racist criticism.

    Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, and others posted to social media wearing hats
    and clothing that say in Elvish, "You all are welcome here," with
    several ears of different characters in various color skin tones.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Sep 8 20:41:43 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.fan.tolkien, alt.non.racism

    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    "THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RINGS OF POWER" drama drags on as its
    official Twitter account just posted a statement of unity with its
    cast, denouncing any fans who are allegedly harassing them.

    "We, the cast of RINGS OF POWER stand together in absolute
    solidarity and against the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and
    abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily
    basis," the Twitter post begins.

    "We refuse to ignore it or tolerate it."

    So if you're not going to tolerate it, what actions are you taking to
    stop it?

    What's that expression?

    "Nudge, Shove, Shoot"?

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to gmsingh@email.com on Thu Sep 8 20:43:33 2022
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    gmsingh@email.com wrote:

    They're going to change the name to Rings of Horseshit.

    Please refrain from sharing your sexual perversions with us.

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  • From Louis Epstein@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Sep 9 03:31:51 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.fan.tolkien, alt.non.racism

    In alt.fan.tolkien Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" drama drags on as its
    official Twitter account just posted a statement of unity with its
    cast, denouncing any fans who are allegedly harassing them.

    "We, the cast of `Rings of Power,' stand together in absolute
    solidarity and against the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and
    abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily basis," the Twitter post begins.

    "We refuse to ignore it or tolerate it. JRR Tolkien created a world
    which, by definition, is multi-cultural. A world in which free peoples
    from different races and cultures join together, in fellowship, to
    defeat the forces of evil. `Rings of Power' reflects that."

    The statement assures, "Our world has never been all white, fantasy has
    never been all white, Middle-earth is not all white. BIPOC belong in Middle-earth and they are here to stay."

    JRRT didn't portrary M-E as all white by any means,and he didn't
    portray nonwhites as intrinsically evil...but he DID portray some
    societies that were ethnically homogeneous and not thereby evil...
    and those devoted to the uncritical worship of diversity can not
    abide such a thing even as a fantasy.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to Louis Epstein on Fri Sep 9 05:22:01 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.fan.tolkien, alt.non.racism

    On 9/8/2022 10:31 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
    In alt.fan.tolkien Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" drama drags on as its
    official Twitter account just posted a statement of unity with its
    cast, denouncing any fans who are allegedly harassing them.

    "We, the cast of `Rings of Power,' stand together in absolute
    solidarity and against the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and
    abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily
    basis," the Twitter post begins.

    "We refuse to ignore it or tolerate it. JRR Tolkien created a world
    which, by definition, is multi-cultural. A world in which free peoples
    from different races and cultures join together, in fellowship, to
    defeat the forces of evil. `Rings of Power' reflects that."

    The statement assures, "Our world has never been all white, fantasy has
    never been all white, Middle-earth is not all white. BIPOC belong in
    Middle-earth and they are here to stay."

    JRRT didn't portrary M-E as all white by any means,


    Damn, you went off the rails right off the bat. (Sorry for mixing
    metaphors.) If characters that were non-white were cast as such,
    there'd be no problem, at least theoretically. But characters that were
    white, or characters that were "invented" for this story aren't true to Tolkien's amazingly detailed vision, and as such diehard fans have every
    reason to complain. Hope this helps.


    and he didn't
    portray nonwhites as intrinsically evil...but he DID portray some
    societies that were ethnically homogeneous and not thereby evil...
    and those devoted to the uncritical worship of diversity can not
    abide such a thing even as a fantasy.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to trotsky on Fri Sep 9 08:39:21 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.fan.tolkien, alt.non.racism

    On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 05:22:01 -0500, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    On 9/8/2022 10:31 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
    In alt.fan.tolkien Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" drama drags on as its
    official Twitter account just posted a statement of unity with its
    cast, denouncing any fans who are allegedly harassing them.

    "We, the cast of `Rings of Power,' stand together in absolute
    solidarity and against the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and
    abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily
    basis," the Twitter post begins.

    "We refuse to ignore it or tolerate it. JRR Tolkien created a world
    which, by definition, is multi-cultural. A world in which free peoples
    from different races and cultures join together, in fellowship, to
    defeat the forces of evil. `Rings of Power' reflects that."

    The statement assures, "Our world has never been all white, fantasy has
    never been all white, Middle-earth is not all white. BIPOC belong in
    Middle-earth and they are here to stay."

    JRRT didn't portrary M-E as all white by any means,


    Damn, you went off the rails right off the bat. (Sorry for mixing >metaphors.) If characters that were non-white were cast as such,
    there'd be no problem, at least theoretically. But characters that were >white, or characters that were "invented" for this story aren't true to >Tolkien's amazingly detailed vision, and as such diehard fans have every >reason to complain. Hope this helps.

    Except, if I understand some of the information on this topic
    correctly, they mostly are /not/ criticizing it for the daring of
    their casting but rather for the tepidness of the result.

    As least, explicitly. It is, of course, possible that they regard the
    result as tepid because of the daring of the casting.

    and he didn't
    portray nonwhites as intrinsically evil...but he DID portray some
    societies that were ethnically homogeneous and not thereby evil...
    and those devoted to the uncritical worship of diversity can not
    abide such a thing even as a fantasy.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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  • From Michael F. Stemper@21:1/5 to Louis Epstein on Fri Sep 9 14:53:37 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.tolkien

    On 08/09/2022 22.31, Louis Epstein wrote:

    JRRT didn't portrary M-E as all white by any means,and he didn't
    portray nonwhites as intrinsically evil...but he DID portray some
    societies that were ethnically homogeneous and not thereby evil...

    He also (in narration) described racially integrated Bree as "excellent", specifically for being racially integrated:

    [...] The Big Folk and the Little Folk (as they called one another)
    were on friendly terms, minding their own affairs in their own ways,
    but both rightly regarding themselves as necessary parts of the Bree-Folk.
    Nowhere else in the world was this peculiar (but excellent) arrangement
    to be found.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    What happens if you play John Cage's "4'33" at a slower tempo?

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  • From Louis Epstein@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Mon Sep 12 00:57:33 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.tolkien

    In rec.arts.books.tolkien Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 08/09/2022 22.31, Louis Epstein wrote:

    JRRT didn't portrary M-E as all white by any means,and he didn't
    portray nonwhites as intrinsically evil...but he DID portray some
    societies that were ethnically homogeneous and not thereby evil...

    He also (in narration) described racially integrated Bree as "excellent", specifically for being racially integrated:

    [...] The Big Folk and the Little Folk (as they called one another)
    were on friendly terms, minding their own affairs in their own ways,
    but both rightly regarding themselves as necessary parts of the Bree-Folk.
    Nowhere else in the world was this peculiar (but excellent) arrangement
    to be found.


    Should Aragorn be perceived as disagreeing in that he then
    passed a law barring Men from the Suza?

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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  • From Louis Epstein@21:1/5 to trotsky on Mon Sep 12 00:55:56 2022
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.fan.tolkien, alt.non.racism

    In rec.arts.books.tolkien trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
    On 9/8/2022 10:31 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
    In alt.fan.tolkien Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" drama drags on as its
    official Twitter account just posted a statement of unity with its
    cast, denouncing any fans who are allegedly harassing them.

    "We, the cast of `Rings of Power,' stand together in absolute
    solidarity and against the relentless racism, threats, harassment, and
    abuse some of our castmates of color are being subjected to on a daily
    basis," the Twitter post begins.

    "We refuse to ignore it or tolerate it. JRR Tolkien created a world
    which, by definition, is multi-cultural. A world in which free peoples
    from different races and cultures join together, in fellowship, to
    defeat the forces of evil. `Rings of Power' reflects that."

    The statement assures, "Our world has never been all white, fantasy has
    never been all white, Middle-earth is not all white. BIPOC belong in
    Middle-earth and they are here to stay."

    JRRT didn't portray M-E as all white by any means,


    Damn, you went off the rails right off the bat. (Sorry for mixing metaphors.) If characters that were non-white were cast as such,
    there'd be no problem, at least theoretically. But characters that were white, or characters that were "invented" for this story aren't true to Tolkien's amazingly detailed vision, and as such diehard fans have every reason to complain. Hope this helps.

    And I am a complaining diehard fan,to be clear.
    I'm pointing out that the Haradrim,for example,were nonwhite,
    and Sam is seen to speculate on what led one to his death in
    Sauron's service without any hint that his race made him evil,
    and the wokies should not be pretending that fidelity is racism.

    Diversity is the cause of every war in history...too many people
    thought differences were important enough to kill over.

    and he didn't
    portray nonwhites as intrinsically evil...but he DID portray some
    societies that were ethnically homogeneous and not thereby evil...
    and those devoted to the uncritical worship of diversity can not
    abide such a thing even as a fantasy.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.


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  • From Michael F. Stemper@21:1/5 to Louis Epstein on Mon Sep 12 14:59:56 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.tolkien

    On 11/09/2022 19.57, Louis Epstein wrote:
    In rec.arts.books.tolkien Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 08/09/2022 22.31, Louis Epstein wrote:

    JRRT didn't portrary M-E as all white by any means,and he didn't
    portray nonwhites as intrinsically evil...but he DID portray some
    societies that were ethnically homogeneous and not thereby evil...

    He also (in narration) described racially integrated Bree as "excellent",
    specifically for being racially integrated:

    [...] The Big Folk and the Little Folk (as they called one another)
    were on friendly terms, minding their own affairs in their own ways,
    but both rightly regarding themselves as necessary parts of the Bree-Folk.
    Nowhere else in the world was this peculiar (but excellent) arrangement >> to be found.


    Should Aragorn be perceived as disagreeing in that he then
    passed a law barring Men from the Suza?

    Is this supposed to be a new spelling of "Shire" with which I
    was previously unfamiliar?

    If so, then no. If he disagreed, he would have made either the Big
    Folk or the Little Folk leave Bree.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    I feel more like I do now than I did when I came in.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Mon Sep 12 22:05:56 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.tolkien

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 14:59:56 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 11/09/2022 19.57, Louis Epstein wrote:
    [quoted text muted]


    Should Aragorn be perceived as disagreeing in that he then
    passed a law barring Men from the Suza?

    Is this supposed to be a new spelling of "Shire" with which I
    was previously unfamiliar?


    Not a new spelling, an old one. :-) In Appendix F, II of The Lord of
    the Rings:

    "The name of the Shire (Sûza) ..."

    My news client doesn't always handle accented letters correctly.
    Inside the parentheses should be four letters: S, u-circumflex, z, a.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
    https://BrownMath.com/
    Tolkien FAQs: http://Tolkien.slimy.com (Steuard Jensen)
    Tolkien letters FAQ: https://preview.tinyurl.com/pr6sa7u
    FAQ of the Rings: https://BrownMath.com/general/ringfaq.htm
    Encyclopedia of Arda: https://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm

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  • From Michael F. Stemper@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Tue Sep 13 08:10:11 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.tolkien

    On 13/09/2022 00.05, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 14:59:56 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 11/09/2022 19.57, Louis Epstein wrote:
    [quoted text muted]


    Should Aragorn be perceived as disagreeing in that he then
    passed a law barring Men from the Suza?

    Is this supposed to be a new spelling of "Shire" with which I
    was previously unfamiliar?


    Not a new spelling, an old one. :-) In Appendix F, II of The Lord of
    the Rings:

    Okay. I've read that multiple times, although not recently. All that
    I really remember is that Bilbo's name is "really" "Balba" or something
    close to that.

    "The name of the Shire (Sûza) ..."

    My news client doesn't always handle accented letters correctly.
    Inside the parentheses should be four letters: S, u-circumflex, z, a.

    Came through just fine here.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    Exodus 22:21

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