• Re: Sloppy edits/missing or changed content in early 80s cartoons

    From Your Name@21:1/5 to Bing Breep on Thu Dec 14 09:27:06 2023
    On 2023-12-13 07:17:20 +0000, Bing Breep said:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=H3sjItu_Ohg

    1:16:14 We see the villian holding TT's shoe and he is figuri.g out TT
    and the car are the same thing. The last sentence of his dialog is
    abruptly cut off in the middle when the scene cuts to a daytime street
    scene and we hear a second of a different danger type tune before that abruptly switches to a more upbeat "not in danger tune". I've seen this
    type of thing many times before in cartoons of this vintage, and it
    makes me wonder what got changed or edited out at the last minute
    before the films were distributed for broadcast.

    Yes, these old Hanna Barbera and Ruby Spears cartoons were done on the
    cheap and basically Saturday Morning junkfood with sballow regurgitated storylines, but it's interesting to speculate what was hiding behind
    those jarring splices,and edits.

    TV stations cut and change shows to fit their own time schedules and
    advert requirements all the time. Also the distributors cut shows for
    various legal reasons in releases for other regions.

    In terms of that particular YouTube video, it could simply have been a
    glitch in the original VHS tape recording (judging by the corruption
    lines that keep appearing, it was definitely an iffy tape or player
    device).

    The UK car show "Top Gear" which has a segment called "Star in a
    Reasonably Priced Car". That segment is often cut out in international
    releases of the show due to the BBC not being allowed to show the
    particular star for some legal reason in certain regions.

    TVZN here in New Zealand often cuts bits out of the UK quiz shows in
    order to fit the schedule and/or put more adverts in. There was an
    episode recently of the quiz show "Tipping Point" where one minute
    there were a lot os counters on the edge of the shelf, and the next
    moment half of them were gone, but no sight nor mention of the counters
    having fallen off 'out of play' like they usually show / say.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Wed Dec 13 22:56:45 2023
    In article <uld42q$106ai$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-13 07:17:20 +0000, Bing Breep said:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=H3sjItu_Ohg

    1:16:14 We see the villian holding TT's shoe and he is figuri.g out TT
    and the car are the same thing. The last sentence of his dialog is
    abruptly cut off in the middle when the scene cuts to a daytime street
    scene and we hear a second of a different danger type tune before that
    abruptly switches to a more upbeat "not in danger tune". I've seen this
    type of thing many times before in cartoons of this vintage, and it
    makes me wonder what got changed or edited out at the last minute
    before the films were distributed for broadcast.

    Yes, these old Hanna Barbera and Ruby Spears cartoons were done on the
    cheap and basically Saturday Morning junkfood with sballow regurgitated
    storylines, but it's interesting to speculate what was hiding behind
    those jarring splices,and edits.

    TV stations cut and change shows to fit their own time schedules and
    advert requirements all the time. Also the distributors cut shows for
    various legal reasons in releases for other regions.

    In terms of that particular YouTube video, it could simply have been a
    glitch in the original VHS tape recording (judging by the corruption
    lines that keep appearing, it was definitely an iffy tape or player
    device).

    The UK car show "Top Gear" which has a segment called "Star in a
    Reasonably Priced Car". That segment is often cut out in international >releases of the show due to the BBC not being allowed to show the
    particular star for some legal reason in certain regions.

    TVZN here in New Zealand often cuts bits out of the UK quiz shows in
    order to fit the schedule and/or put more adverts in. There was an
    episode recently of the quiz show "Tipping Point" where one minute
    there were a lot os counters on the edge of the shelf, and the next
    moment half of them were gone, but no sight nor mention of the counters >having fallen off 'out of play' like they usually show / say.



    In the US ad time has definitely increased. For instance, the original
    Peanuts Christmas & Halloween specials used to run in a half hour block.
    In recent years they no longer fit, and the last time they were shown on network TV, the network commissioned new, somewhat shorter, companion
    episodes so that the original could play uncut in a 35min or so slot
    and the new episode could round it out to an hour.

    That was unusual because those specials were so beloved. If you
    have some run-of-the-mill old cartoon, it just gets trimmed to still
    fit in the half hour slot.
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    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tednolan on Thu Dec 14 09:02:18 2023
    On 13 Dec 2023 22:56:45 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <uld42q$106ai$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-13 07:17:20 +0000, Bing Breep said:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=H3sjItu_Ohg

    1:16:14 We see the villian holding TT's shoe and he is figuri.g out TT
    and the car are the same thing. The last sentence of his dialog is
    abruptly cut off in the middle when the scene cuts to a daytime street
    scene and we hear a second of a different danger type tune before that
    abruptly switches to a more upbeat "not in danger tune". I've seen this >>> type of thing many times before in cartoons of this vintage, and it
    makes me wonder what got changed or edited out at the last minute
    before the films were distributed for broadcast.

    Yes, these old Hanna Barbera and Ruby Spears cartoons were done on the >>> cheap and basically Saturday Morning junkfood with sballow regurgitated >>> storylines, but it's interesting to speculate what was hiding behind
    those jarring splices,and edits.

    TV stations cut and change shows to fit their own time schedules and >>advert requirements all the time. Also the distributors cut shows for >>various legal reasons in releases for other regions.

    In terms of that particular YouTube video, it could simply have been a >>glitch in the original VHS tape recording (judging by the corruption
    lines that keep appearing, it was definitely an iffy tape or player >>device).

    The UK car show "Top Gear" which has a segment called "Star in a >>Reasonably Priced Car". That segment is often cut out in international >>releases of the show due to the BBC not being allowed to show the >>particular star for some legal reason in certain regions.

    TVZN here in New Zealand often cuts bits out of the UK quiz shows in
    order to fit the schedule and/or put more adverts in. There was an
    episode recently of the quiz show "Tipping Point" where one minute
    there were a lot os counters on the edge of the shelf, and the next
    moment half of them were gone, but no sight nor mention of the counters >>having fallen off 'out of play' like they usually show / say.



    In the US ad time has definitely increased. For instance, the original >Peanuts Christmas & Halloween specials used to run in a half hour block.
    In recent years they no longer fit, and the last time they were shown on >network TV, the network commissioned new, somewhat shorter, companion >episodes so that the original could play uncut in a 35min or so slot
    and the new episode could round it out to an hour.

    That was unusual because those specials were so beloved. If you
    have some run-of-the-mill old cartoon, it just gets trimmed to still
    fit in the half hour slot.

    That /is/ unusual.

    It should be kept in mind that the /commercials/ are what matter to
    the broadcasters. The "program" is just something to produce an
    audience for the important stuff.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Fri Dec 15 09:54:34 2023
    On 2023-12-14 17:02:18 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On 13 Dec 2023 22:56:45 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:
    In article <uld42q$106ai$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-13 07:17:20 +0000, Bing Breep said:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=H3sjItu_Ohg

    1:16:14 We see the villian holding TT's shoe and he is figuri.g out
    and the car are the same thing. The last sentence of his dialog
    abruptly cut off in the middle when the scene cuts to a daytime
    street>>> scene and we hear a second of a different danger type tune
    before that>>> abruptly switches to a more upbeat "not in danger tune". >>>> I've seen this>>> type of thing many times before in cartoons of this
    vintage, and it>>> makes me wonder what got changed or edited out at
    the last minute>>> before the films were distributed for broadcast.

    Yes, these old Hanna Barbera and Ruby Spears cartoons were done on
    cheap and basically Saturday Morning junkfood with sballow
    regurgitated>>> storylines, but it's interesting to speculate what was >>>> hiding behind>>> those jarring splices,and edits.

    TV stations cut and change shows to fit their own time schedules
    advert requirements all the time. Also the distributors cut shows
    various legal reasons in releases for other regions.

    In terms of that particular YouTube video, it could simply have been
    glitch in the original VHS tape recording (judging by the
    corruption>>lines that keep appearing, it was definitely an iffy tape
    or player>>device).

    The UK car show "Top Gear" which has a segment called "Star in
    Reasonably Priced Car". That segment is often cut out in
    international>>releases of the show due to the BBC not being allowed to
    show the>>particular star for some legal reason in certain regions.

    TVZN here in New Zealand often cuts bits out of the UK quiz shows
    order to fit the schedule and/or put more adverts in. There was
    episode recently of the quiz show "Tipping Point" where one
    minute>>there were a lot os counters on the edge of the shelf, and the
    next>>moment half of them were gone, but no sight nor mention of the
    counters>>having fallen off 'out of play' like they usually show / say.

    In the US ad time has definitely increased. For instance, the original
    Peanuts Christmas & Halloween specials used to run in a half hour block.
    In recent years they no longer fit, and the last time they were shown on
    network TV, the network commissioned new, somewhat shorter, companion
    episodes so that the original could play uncut in a 35min or so slot
    and the new episode could round it out to an hour.

    That was unusual because those specials were so beloved. If you
    have some run-of-the-mill old cartoon, it just gets trimmed to still
    fit in the half hour slot.

    That /is/ unusual.

    It should be kept in mind that the /commercials/ are what matter to
    the broadcasters. The "program" is just something to produce an
    audience for the important stuff.

    We record everything then watch it later and just fast forward through
    all the idiotic adverts. :-)

    Most adverts are just ridiculous rubbish that tell you almost nothing
    about the actual product / service because some massively over-paid
    advertising company is too busy trying to be arty-farty instead.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 08:21:25 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:54:34 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:

    On 2023-12-14 17:02:18 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On 13 Dec 2023 22:56:45 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:
    In article <uld42q$106ai$1@dont-email.me>,
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-13 07:17:20 +0000, Bing Breep said:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=H3sjItu_Ohg

    1:16:14 We see the villian holding TT's shoe and he is figuri.g out >>>>> TT>>> and the car are the same thing. The last sentence of his dialog >>>>> is>>> abruptly cut off in the middle when the scene cuts to a daytime >>>>> street>>> scene and we hear a second of a different danger type tune >>>>> before that>>> abruptly switches to a more upbeat "not in danger tune". >>>>> I've seen this>>> type of thing many times before in cartoons of this >>>>> vintage, and it>>> makes me wonder what got changed or edited out at >>>>> the last minute>>> before the films were distributed for broadcast.

    Yes, these old Hanna Barbera and Ruby Spears cartoons were done on
    cheap and basically Saturday Morning junkfood with sballow
    regurgitated>>> storylines, but it's interesting to speculate what was >>>>> hiding behind>>> those jarring splices,and edits.

    TV stations cut and change shows to fit their own time schedules
    advert requirements all the time. Also the distributors cut shows >>>> for>>various legal reasons in releases for other regions.

    In terms of that particular YouTube video, it could simply have been
    glitch in the original VHS tape recording (judging by the
    corruption>>lines that keep appearing, it was definitely an iffy tape >>>> or player>>device).

    The UK car show "Top Gear" which has a segment called "Star in
    Reasonably Priced Car". That segment is often cut out in
    international>>releases of the show due to the BBC not being allowed to >>>> show the>>particular star for some legal reason in certain regions.

    TVZN here in New Zealand often cuts bits out of the UK quiz shows
    order to fit the schedule and/or put more adverts in. There was
    episode recently of the quiz show "Tipping Point" where one
    minute>>there were a lot os counters on the edge of the shelf, and the >>>> next>>moment half of them were gone, but no sight nor mention of the
    counters>>having fallen off 'out of play' like they usually show / say. >>>
    In the US ad time has definitely increased. For instance, the original
    Peanuts Christmas & Halloween specials used to run in a half hour block. >>> In recent years they no longer fit, and the last time they were shown on >>> network TV, the network commissioned new, somewhat shorter, companion
    episodes so that the original could play uncut in a 35min or so slot
    and the new episode could round it out to an hour.

    That was unusual because those specials were so beloved. If you
    have some run-of-the-mill old cartoon, it just gets trimmed to still
    fit in the half hour slot.

    That /is/ unusual.

    It should be kept in mind that the /commercials/ are what matter to
    the broadcasters. The "program" is just something to produce an
    audience for the important stuff.

    We record everything then watch it later and just fast forward through
    all the idiotic adverts. :-)

    Most adverts are just ridiculous rubbish that tell you almost nothing
    about the actual product / service because some massively over-paid >advertising company is too busy trying to be arty-farty instead.

    It has been several decades since I watched broadcast TV (even through
    cable, back before cable ... mutated). My conclusion towards the end
    was that the /commercials/ had higher production values (and, in many
    cases, better plots) than the actual programs.

    But not only may that have changed in the decades since, you would be
    fully entitled to your opinion even if I were watching them today and
    had a different opinion of them.

    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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