course). I do this while I am doing various chores and yard work around
the house and don't need to give full attention to the chore. It is >interesting enough, but not great, IMHO. In fact, Wikipedia says that he
said it was "his least favorite novel". I had not read it before and I
found this surprising. But I love the title. The first time I saw the
Milky Way whilst camping at Lassen National Part, I was reminded of this >title. When you are up at 8000+ feet and the air is calm and clear, the
stars ARE like dust.
Currently, I am listening to "The Stars, Like Dust" by Asimov (of
course). I do this while I am doing various chores and yard work around
the house and don't need to give full attention to the chore. It is interesting enough, but not great, IMHO. In fact, Wikipedia says that he
said it was "his least favorite novel". I had not read it before and I
found this surprising. But I love the title. The first time I saw the
Milky Way whilst camping at Lassen National Part, I was reminded of this title. When you are up at 8000+ feet and the air is calm and clear, the
stars ARE like dust.
I am currently rereading Glen Cook's "She is the Darkness". I am
enjoying it more than I did the first time.
BCFD 36 wrote:
Currently, I am listening to "The Stars, Like Dust" by Asimov (of
course). I do this while I am doing various chores and yard work around
the house and don't need to give full attention to the chore. It is
interesting enough, but not great, IMHO. In fact, Wikipedia says that he
said it was "his least favorite novel". I had not read it before and I
found this surprising. But I love the title. The first time I saw the
Milky Way whilst camping at Lassen National Part, I was reminded of this
title. When you are up at 8000+ feet and the air is calm and clear, the
stars ARE like dust.
I am currently rereading Glen Cook's "She is the Darkness". I am
enjoying it more than I did the first time.
Did you ever hear the story about Saul Alinsky's influence on Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama? If not you can giggle it.
Saul supposedly said something along the lines of "The very first
radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did
it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."
Although the modern words may belong to Saul, the sentiment
doesn't. It dates back millennia to the start of Gnosticism.
_The Hidden Life is Best! - Francis Bacon and the Gnostic English Empire_ talks about such topics (but not Clinton and Obama specifically). There's free audio available at <https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/episodes>
Long story short, all of the free episodic excerpts were recently heard
by me.
These phrases show Shakespeare's lasting impact on the way we
express ideas and emotions in English.
William Shakespeare's influence on the English language is
immense, with many phrases he coined still in common use
today. Here are 25 popular phrases that originate from
Shakespeare's plays:
15. "Brave new world" (The Tempest) - a new and hopeful period
in history.
18. "It was Greek to me" (Julius Caesar) - something that
cannot be understood; incomprehensible.
Don wrote:
William Shakespeare's influence on the English language is
immense, with many phrases he coined still in common use
today. Here are 25 popular phrases that originate from
Shakespeare's plays:
15. "Brave new world" (The Tempest) - a new and hopeful period
in history.
Aldous Huxley has changed that. When I now see that phrase it
popular usage, it refers to dystopic developments.
18. "It was Greek to me" (Julius Caesar) - something that
cannot be understood; incomprehensible.
That's some literary license. The phrase is spoken by Servilius
Casca, who was one of the Roman senators that assassinated Caesar,
and as a member of the Roman upper class surely would have been
competent in Greek.
"Et tu, Brute?" from the same play is famously an invention by
Shakespeare. Apocryphally, Caesar's dying words have been reported
as the Greek(!) phrase "kai su, teknon" ("you too, child").
Don wrote:
These phrases show Shakespeare's lasting impact on the way we
express ideas and emotions in English.
My favorite one that's /not/ made it into the lexicon:
Fall into the unclean fishpond [of someone's] displeasure.
(spoken by the clown before exiting)
https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/views/plays/play_view.php? WorkID=allswell&Act=5&Scene=2&Scope=scene
Shortened: https://tinyurl.com/4dhaj4v4
Don wrote:
BCFD 36 wrote:Why is this mess a reply to my post? It has nothing to do with my post, unless "She is the Darkness" is some kind of reference to Hillary
Currently, I am listening to "The Stars, Like Dust" by Asimov (of
course). I do this while I am doing various chores and yard work around
the house and don't need to give full attention to the chore. It is
interesting enough, but not great, IMHO. In fact, Wikipedia says that he >>> said it was "his least favorite novel". I had not read it before and I
found this surprising. But I love the title. The first time I saw the
Milky Way whilst camping at Lassen National Part, I was reminded of this >>> title. When you are up at 8000+ feet and the air is calm and clear, the
stars ARE like dust.
I am currently rereading Glen Cook's "She is the Darkness". I am
enjoying it more than I did the first time.
Did you ever hear the story about Saul Alinsky's influence on Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama? If not you can giggle it.
Saul supposedly said something along the lines of "The very first
radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did
it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."
Although the modern words may belong to Saul, the sentiment
doesn't. It dates back millennia to the start of Gnosticism.
_The Hidden Life is Best! - Francis Bacon and the Gnostic English Empire_
talks about such topics (but not Clinton and Obama specifically). There's
free audio available at <https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/episodes>
Long story short, all of the free episodic excerpts were recently heard
by me.
Danke,
Clinton. In which case it is still not welcome since I try to keep my
stuff non political.
BCFD 36 wrote:
Currently, I am listening to "The Stars, Like Dust" by Asimov (of
course). I do this while I am doing various chores and yard work around
the house and don't need to give full attention to the chore. It is
interesting enough, but not great, IMHO. In fact, Wikipedia says that he
said it was "his least favorite novel". I had not read it before and I
found this surprising. But I love the title. The first time I saw the
Milky Way whilst camping at Lassen National Part, I was reminded of this
title. When you are up at 8000+ feet and the air is calm and clear, the
stars ARE like dust.
I am currently rereading Glen Cook's "She is the Darkness". I am
enjoying it more than I did the first time.
Did you ever hear the story about Saul Alinsky's influence on Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama? If not you can giggle it.
Saul supposedly said something along the lines of "The very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did
it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."
Although the modern words may belong to Saul, the sentiment
doesn't. It dates back millennia to the start of Gnosticism.
_The Hidden Life is Best! - Francis Bacon and the Gnostic English Empire_ talks about such topics (but not Clinton and Obama specifically). There's free audio available at <https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/episodes>
Long story short, all of the free episodic excerpts were recently heard
by me.
Danke,
18. "It was Greek to me" (Julius Caesar) - something that
cannot be understood; incomprehensible.
That's some literary license.
Allow me to note how my post refers to two separate Shakespeare
scholars, related only by their mutual field of interest. AFAIK, neither knows the other. The second scholar, Kelly Albertine, takes the literary license you mention.
"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury Caesar,
not to praise him." Actually Antony aspires to bury the Conspirators.
Don wrote:
18. "It was Greek to me" (Julius Caesar) - something that
cannot be understood; incomprehensible.
That's some literary license.
Allow me to note how my post refers to two separate Shakespeare
scholars, related only by their mutual field of interest. AFAIK, neither
knows the other. The second scholar, Kelly Albertine, takes the literary
license you mention.
No, I mean Shakespeare did by having an upper class Roman express
this sentiment.
"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury Caesar,
not to praise him." Actually Antony aspires to bury the Conspirators.
Antony's speech in _Julius Caesar_ is an amazing piece of writing.
A number of years ago I finally was tired of references to it and
set down and read it. Wow. Ironically, the next day I passed by
a trade union speaker with a bullhorn who tried to rile up a crowd,
but a Shakespeare he was not, and the difference in rhetorical
ability was... stark.
In HBO's excellent _Rome_, we didn't even get to see Antony's speech.
IIRC, the writers argued that it would inevitably be compared to Shakespeare's words and there was no way they could do it justice.
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
Don wrote:
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not that this theory is necessarily true either, but it's the only one
with even the slightest bit of plausibility.
A mnemonic mechanism called a "memory palace" served speakers such as
Antony in antiquity. Oration demanded brute memory as crib notes
remained a futuristic fantasy to a paperless age.
The TV show _Sherlock_ sometimes simulates a similar "mind palace:"
John Savard wrote:
Don wrote:
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not that this theory is necessarily true either, but it's the only one
with even the slightest bit of plausibility.
Host Frederick fisks feeble alternatives in Episode 10's excerpt:
All The Evidence You Need (to know that Bacon was Shakespeare)
<https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/post/episode-10/home>
He diligently debunks dilapidated de Vere dogma found on youtube:
Jim Warren - Foundations of the Oxfordian Claim
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXASaFCwlH0>
Don wrote:
Christian Weisgerber wrote:
Don wrote:
18. "It was Greek to me" (Julius Caesar) - something that
cannot be understood; incomprehensible.
That's some literary license.
Allow me to note how my post refers to two separate Shakespeare
scholars, related only by their mutual field of interest. AFAIK, neither >>>> knows the other. The second scholar, Kelly Albertine, takes the literary >>>> license you mention.
No, I mean Shakespeare did by having an upper class Roman express
this sentiment.
Thank you for taking the trouble to clear up my misunderstanding,
solely caused by my own careless haste to read your clearly
communicated thoughts.
Bacon could never pass up a jest. An inside joke about upper class
illiteracy, mostly comprehensible only to the upper class, perfectly
suits the style of Bacon.
He wrote his first play at age 7 and read all available Greek and
Latin literature in their original language by the age of 12. He
created his first cipher at age 15. Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury Caesar, >>>> not to praise him." Actually Antony aspires to bury the Conspirators.
Antony's speech in _Julius Caesar_ is an amazing piece of writing.
A number of years ago I finally was tired of references to it and
set down and read it. Wow. Ironically, the next day I passed by
a trade union speaker with a bullhorn who tried to rile up a crowd,
but a Shakespeare he was not, and the difference in rhetorical
ability was... stark.
In HBO's excellent _Rome_, we didn't even get to see Antony's speech.
IIRC, the writers argued that it would inevitably be compared to
Shakespeare's words and there was no way they could do it justice.
A mnemonic mechanism called a "memory palace" served speakers such as
Antony in antiquity. Oration demanded brute memory as crib notes
remained a futuristic fantasy to a paperless age.
The TV show _Sherlock_ sometimes simulates a similar "mind palace:"
<https://themindcollection.com/the-mind-palace-memorise-like-sherlock-holmes/
Every stage actor has to be able to develop their memory for their
parts. Not just back then, but now.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not that this theory is necessarily true either, but it's the only one
with even the slightest bit of plausibility.
On 4/23/24 06:29, Don wrote:
BCFD 36 wrote:Why is this mess a reply to my post? It has nothing to do with my post, unless "She is the Darkness" is some kind of reference to Hillary
Currently, I am listening to "The Stars, Like Dust" by Asimov (of
course). I do this while I am doing various chores and yard work
around the house and don't need to give full attention to the chore.
It is interesting enough, but not great, IMHO. In fact, Wikipedia says
that he said it was "his least favorite novel". I had not read it
before and I found this surprising. But I love the title. The first
time I saw the Milky Way whilst camping at Lassen National Part, I was
reminded of this title. When you are up at 8000+ feet and the air is
calm and clear, the stars ARE like dust.
I am currently rereading Glen Cook's "She is the Darkness". I am
enjoying it more than I did the first time.
Did you ever hear the story about Saul Alinsky's influence on Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama? If not you can giggle it.
Saul supposedly said something along the lines of "The very first
radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it
so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."
Although the modern words may belong to Saul, the sentiment
doesn't. It dates back millennia to the start of Gnosticism.
_The Hidden Life is Best! - Francis Bacon and the Gnostic English
Empire_
talks about such topics (but not Clinton and Obama specifically).
There's free audio available at
<https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/episodes>
Long story short, all of the free episodic excerpts were recently heard
by me.
Danke,
Clinton. In which case it is still not welcome since I try to keep my
stuff non political.
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 11:26:44 -0700, BCFD 36 wrote:
On 4/23/24 06:29, Don wrote:
BCFD 36 wrote:Why is this mess a reply to my post? It has nothing to do with my post,
Currently, I am listening to "The Stars, Like Dust" by Asimov (of
course). I do this while I am doing various chores and yard work
around the house and don't need to give full attention to the chore.
It is interesting enough, but not great, IMHO. In fact, Wikipedia says >>>> that he said it was "his least favorite novel". I had not read it
before and I found this surprising. But I love the title. The first
time I saw the Milky Way whilst camping at Lassen National Part, I was >>>> reminded of this title. When you are up at 8000+ feet and the air is
calm and clear, the stars ARE like dust.
I am currently rereading Glen Cook's "She is the Darkness". I am
enjoying it more than I did the first time.
Did you ever hear the story about Saul Alinsky's influence on Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama? If not you can giggle it.
Saul supposedly said something along the lines of "The very first
radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it
so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."
Although the modern words may belong to Saul, the sentiment
doesn't. It dates back millennia to the start of Gnosticism.
_The Hidden Life is Best! - Francis Bacon and the Gnostic English
Empire_
talks about such topics (but not Clinton and Obama specifically).
There's free audio available at
<https://thehiddenlifeisbest.com/episodes>
Long story short, all of the free episodic excerpts were recently heard
by me.
Danke,
unless "She is the Darkness" is some kind of reference to Hillary
Clinton. In which case it is still not welcome since I try to keep my
stuff non political.
But "The Stars, Like Dust" itself is nothing if not political, based on
my reading of its Wikipedia page. It involves the constitution
of the U.S., no less.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not that this theory is necessarily true either, but it's the only one--
with even the slightest bit of plausibility.
John Savard
In article <fuvn2jd9ip00hpssed28ksln3telgqu5dk@4ax.com>,
John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not that this theory is necessarily true either, but it's the only one
with even the slightest bit of plausibility.
Except for the minor, very minor, detail that he died in June 1604
(several years before the dates several Shakespearean plays premiered).
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 21:46:05 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
In article <fuvn2jd9ip00hpssed28ksln3telgqu5dk@4ax.com>,
John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not that this theory is necessarily true either, but it's the only one
with even the slightest bit of plausibility.
Except for the minor, very minor, detail that he died in June 1604
(several years before the dates several Shakespearean plays premiered).
I don't see that as a fatal objectilon, as the form of Oxfordianism
that I would consider as a possibility involves him writing only the
foul papers - Shakespeare still edited the plays for performance. And
that would explain the one play attributed to Shakespeare that was so
poor in quality that orthodox scholars think that someone else may
have written it... that could have been the one he wrote all by
himself.
In article <fuvn2jd9ip00hpssed28ksln3telgqu5dk@4ax.com>,
John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Widely travelled, he had first hand
knowledge of the settings used in his plays.
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not that this theory is necessarily true either, but it's the only one
with even the slightest bit of plausibility.
Except for the minor, very minor, detail that he died in June 1604
(several years before the dates several Shakespearean plays premiered).
John Savard wrote:
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not at all. I wrote them all myself in 1985, with the aid of an infinite >number of monkeys.
On 27 Apr 2024 23:27:30 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
John Savard wrote:
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not at all. I wrote them all myself in 1985, with the aid of an infinite >>number of monkeys.
I imagine separating the wheat from the chaff was quite difficult!
He
created his first cipher at age 15.
Don wrote:
He
created his first cipher at age 15.
And so he did.
However, while his knowledge of ciphers may be praised, that of those
who have advocated for his authorship of the plays attributed to
Shakespeare are not in such a position.
_The Shakespearian Ciphers Examined_ by W. F. Friedman. Or, if you're
in a hurry, just read the chapter discussing that book in _The
Codebreakers_ by David Kahn.
On 27 Apr 2024 23:27:30 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
John Savard wrote:
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not at all. I wrote them all myself in 1985, with the aid of an infinite
number of monkeys.
I imagine separating the wheat from the chaff was quite difficult!
On 27 Apr 2024 23:27:30 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
John Savard wrote:infinite
The only alternat authorship theory for the plays of Sakespeare that
isn't utterly ludicrous on its face is the one crediting Edward de
Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, for them.
Not at all. I wrote them all myself in 1985, with the aid of an =
number of monkeys.
I imagine separating the wheat from the chaff was quite difficult!
Cryptoengineer wrote:
Every stage actor has to be able to develop their memory for their
parts. Not just back then, but now.
Good point.
Now may be the time for me to ask a stage actor acquaintance again
for the secret of her success in remembering lines. This time the ?subconscious? "memory palace" technique will be broached as a
possibility. Last time she sort of shrugged.
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