• Re: Tune at the beginning of "Territory"

    From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Thu Mar 14 16:31:58 2024
    On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.

    I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
    there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,
    four slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.

    Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and
    the word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).

    I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
    but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
    could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
    they wanted to do so.

    [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>

    Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it,
    somewhere?

    Because my copy of "Trader to the Stars" doesn't have it.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Thu Mar 14 18:20:27 2024
    "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
    On 14/03/2024 00.31, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.

    I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
    there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,

    I used the wrong term here; the whole notes aren't dotted, but are
    modified by fermatas.

    I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
    but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
    could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
    they wanted to do so.

    [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>

    Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it, somewhere?

    I think that this will show it: ><https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eEssDYrt73vtdgYJ0q_qHud0i8e-qzFq/view?usp=sharing>


    There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
    measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.

    C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat

    I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Mar 14 19:45:16 2024
    Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
    There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
    measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.

    C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat

    I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.

    A number of Poul Anderson stories have original music, sometimes with original lyrics. Sometimes just the lyrics (like Mary O'Meara which had Anne Passovoy write the tune for it). It used to be you could hear people playing many of his songs in filk circles but they seem to have fallen out of favour.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Mar 14 23:51:44 2024
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
    Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
    There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
    measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.

    C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat

    I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.

    A number of Poul Anderson stories have original music, sometimes with original >lyrics. Sometimes just the lyrics (like Mary O'Meara which had Anne Passovoy >write the tune for it). It used to be you could hear people playing many of >his songs in filk circles but they seem to have fallen out of favour.

    And here's where Dorethy would have added a piquant anecdote about
    the Andersons.

    Sigh. She is missed.

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to Gary R. Schmidt on Fri Mar 15 00:17:48 2024
    On 2024-03-14, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
    On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.

    I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
    there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,
    four slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.

    Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually
    relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and
    the word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).

    I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
    but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
    could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
    they wanted to do so.

    [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>

    Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it,
    somewhere?

    Because my copy of "Trader to the Stars" doesn't have it.

    Cheers,

    It's in my copy, but my wife (much more musically inclined than I am)
    didn't recognize it at all.

    The 8 notes described above are
    C F C C# G A B Bflat

    Chris

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Fri Mar 15 07:20:57 2024
    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:09:04 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

    "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.

    I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
    there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes, four slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.

    Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and the
    word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).

    I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
    but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they could
    look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If they wanted
    to do so.

    [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>

    Those are not "dotted" whole notes in the common meaning of the term,
    i.e. extending the duration by a half. That's when the dot is to
    the right of the note. I can't recall what a dot in a semicircle
    means.

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Fri Mar 15 07:43:00 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:20:57 +0000, Charles Packer wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:09:04 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

    "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.

    I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
    there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes, four
    slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.

    Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually
    relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and
    the word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).

    I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
    but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
    could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If they
    wanted to do so.

    [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>

    Those are not "dotted" whole notes in the common meaning of the term,
    i.e. extending the duration by a half. That's when the dot is to the
    right of the note. I can't recall what a dot in a semicircle means.

    I found it. It's a "held" note, meaning longer than the note value,
    but otherwise left to the performer.

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