• 1974 Nebula Finalists

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 13:32:07 2024
    Time for another round of Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read? This
    time we revisit 1974, a year in which I got to read a lot of science
    fiction because Richard M. Nixon kept preempting my TV shows. This
    year's categories had fewer finalists than 1973, but one more category.

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
    The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
    The People of the Wind by Poul Anderson
    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein


    1974 Nebula Finalist Novellas

    The Death of Dr. Island by Gene Wolfe
    Chains of the Sea by Gardner Dozois
    Death and Designation Among the Asadi by Michael Bishop
    Junction by Jack Dann
    The White Otters of Childhood by Michael Bishop


    1974 Nebula Finalist Novelettes

    Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand by Vonda N. McIntyre
    Case and the Dreamer by Theodore Sturgeon
    The Deathbird by Harlan Ellison
    The Girl Who Was Plugged In by James Tiptree, Jr.


    1974 Nebula Finalist Short Stories

    Love Is the Plan the Plan Is Death by James Tiptree, Jr.
    A Thing of Beauty by Norman Spinrad
    How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion
    by Gene Wolfe
    Shark by Edward Bryant
    Wings by Vonda N. McIntyre
    With Morning Comes Mistfall by George R. R. Martin


    1974 Nebula Dramatic Presentations

    Soylent Green by Stanley R. Greenberg and Harry Harrison
    Catholics by Brian Moore
    Steambath by Bruce Jay Friedman
    Westworld by Michael Crichton

    Of which I have read

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
    The People of the Wind by Poul Anderson
    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    (I do mean to tackle the Pynchon again)


    1974 Nebula Finalist Novellas

    The Death of Dr. Island by Gene Wolfe
    Chains of the Sea by Gardner Dozois
    Death and Designation Among the Asadi by Michael Bishop
    The White Otters of Childhood by Michael Bishop


    Which 1974 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?

    Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand by Vonda N. McIntyre
    The Deathbird by Harlan Ellison
    The Girl Who Was Plugged In by James Tiptree, Jr.


    Which 1974 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?

    Love Is the Plan the Plan Is Death by James Tiptree, Jr.
    A Thing of Beauty by Norman Spinrad
    How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion
    by Gene Wolfe
    Shark by Edward Bryant
    Wings by Vonda N. McIntyre
    With Morning Comes Mistfall by George R. R. Martin

    (For some reason, I thought the Martin had won)


    Which 1974 Nebula Dramatic Presentations Have You Seen?

    Soylent Green by Stanley R. Greenberg and Harry Harrison
    Westworld by Michael Crichton
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Mon Mar 11 20:53:01 2024
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
    The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
    The People of the Wind by Poul Anderson
    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    I have read all but the Pynchon. Even if that is the work of genius it
    was said to be, this is a weakish year, with only Rama really standing out.

    You don't think Man who Folded Himself is a standout? It is one of my
    all-time favorites.

    Gravity's Rainbow is worth reading but I don't think it is anywhere near
    as fun as Crying of Lot 49.
    --scott


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  • From Garrett Wollman@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Mar 11 22:23:39 2024
    In article <usn14n$3cg$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    [big snips]

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    Really kinda surprised this book -- which really marks the beginning
    of Creepy Late Heinlein -- actually made the cut. Although I suppose
    a lot more of Heinlein's friends and admirers were in SFWA at the
    time.

    Of course, Asimov's THE GODS THEMSELVES won in '72, so perhaps the
    membership was just more into that sort of thing in the early 70s.

    -GAWollman

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Mon Mar 11 23:17:12 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:32:07 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Time for another round of Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read? This
    time we revisit 1974, a year in which I got to read a lot of science
    fiction because Richard M. Nixon kept preempting my TV shows. This
    year's categories had fewer finalists than 1973, but one more category.

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
    The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
    The People of the Wind by Poul Anderson
    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    I couldn't find the URL of the page with your essay on this topic in
    this post. So I did a Google search to assuage my curiosity...

    and found

    https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/1974/

    which states that The Disposessed by Ursula K. LeGuin won the
    1974 Nebula Award for Best Novel... and the other finalists were

    The Godwhale by T. J. Bass
    Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said by Philip K. Dick
    334 by Thomas M. Disch

    Presumably you are posting about the awards of the previous
    year or the following year, due to an oversight. Since Rendezvous
    with Rama, Gravity's Rainbow, and so on were also published in
    this reality, the other possibility seems unlikely...

    John Savard

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to quadibloc@servername.invalid on Mon Mar 11 23:19:35 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:17:12 -0600, John Savard
    <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:32:07 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Time for another round of Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read? This
    time we revisit 1974, a year in which I got to read a lot of science >>fiction because Richard M. Nixon kept preempting my TV shows. This
    year's categories had fewer finalists than 1973, but one more category.

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
    The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
    The People of the Wind by Poul Anderson
    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    I couldn't find the URL of the page with your essay on this topic in
    this post. So I did a Google search to assuage my curiosity...

    and found

    https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/1974/

    which states that The Disposessed by Ursula K. LeGuin won the
    1974 Nebula Award for Best Novel... and the other finalists were

    The Godwhale by T. J. Bass
    Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said by Philip K. Dick
    334 by Thomas M. Disch

    Presumably you are posting about the awards of the previous
    year or the following year, due to an oversight. Since Rendezvous
    with Rama, Gravity's Rainbow, and so on were also published in
    this reality, the other possibility seems unlikely...

    Indeed, my guess was correct:

    https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/1973/

    you were writing about the *1973* Nebula Awards finalists.

    John Savard

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to quadibloc@servername.invalid on Mon Mar 11 23:43:12 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:19:35 -0600, John Savard
    <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:


    Indeed, my guess was correct:

    https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/1973/

    you were writing about the *1973* Nebula Awards finalists.

    Further searching makes the error more understandable.

    A collection of Nebula Awarld winners and finalists indicated
    by its title that the stories it featured were from Nebula
    Awards 28.

    If it is only recently that the Nebula Awarlds came to
    be named by the year in which the stories considered
    for awards were published...

    then that someone could, after the fact, refer to them
    instead by the following year - the one in which they
    were _held_, the organizers not having time machines
    to allow them to examine all the stories in a given year
    within that year instead of after it - is indeed entirely
    understandable.

    One just has to be unaware that the other naming
    convention was chosen as the one to use officially.

    John Savard

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Mar 12 09:18:19 2024
    On 11 Mar 2024 20:53:01 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
    The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
    The People of the Wind by Poul Anderson
    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    I have read all but the Pynchon. Even if that is the work of genius it >>was said to be, this is a weakish year, with only Rama really standing out.

    You don't think Man who Folded Himself is a standout? It is one of my >all-time favorites.

    Gravity's Rainbow is worth reading but I don't think it is anywhere near
    as fun as Crying of Lot 49.

    Or anywhere near as expensive, when I finally tracked down a copy of
    /The Crying of Lot 49/ and saw how ... thin ... it was.

    Thinner and higher-priced. Not a good way to compare books, of course,
    but still made me suspect that it was some high-level intellectual
    thing. /Vineland/ was OK, but not anywhere near /Gravity's Rainbow/,
    which I put right up there with /Terra Nostra/.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Fri Mar 15 00:41:19 2024
    On 2024-03-11, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    Time for another round of Which Nebula Finalists Have You Read? This
    time we revisit 1974, a year in which I got to read a lot of science
    fiction because Richard M. Nixon kept preempting my TV shows. This
    year's categories had fewer finalists than 1973, but one more category.

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
    Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
    The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrold
    The People of the Wind by Poul Anderson
    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    Read all, none are Favorites or very close. In terms of understanding,
    I pretty completely bounced off of Gravity's Rainbow way back whenever.
    Maybe I would have better luck now, but I don't think I'm going to try.

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novellas

    The Death of Dr. Island by Gene Wolfe
    Chains of the Sea by Gardner Dozois
    Death and Designation Among the Asadi by Michael Bishop
    Junction by Jack Dann
    The White Otters of Childhood by Michael Bishop

    Read the first 3 but not the Dann or the White Otters.

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novelettes

    Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand by Vonda N. McIntyre
    Case and the Dreamer by Theodore Sturgeon
    The Deathbird by Harlan Ellison
    The Girl Who Was Plugged In by James Tiptree, Jr.

    Read all, these were better than the novels.

    1974 Nebula Finalist Short Stories

    Love Is the Plan the Plan Is Death by James Tiptree, Jr.
    A Thing of Beauty by Norman Spinrad
    How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion
    by Gene Wolfe
    Shark by Edward Bryant
    Wings by Vonda N. McIntyre
    With Morning Comes Mistfall by George R. R. Martin

    Read the Tiptree, Wolfe, and Martin,

    Chris

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Fri Mar 15 22:01:52 2024
    On 3/12/2024 9:29 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 18.27, William Hyde wrote:
    Garrett Wollman wrote:
    In article <usn14n$3cg$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    [big snips]

    1974 Nebula Finalist Novels

    Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein

    a lot more of Heinlein's friends and admirers were in SFWA at the
    time.

    And given his recent health issues, they may have felt that this was
    their last chance to nominate him.

    I suspect that the overlap between the people who voted "No Award" to
    keep Gene Wolfe from a nebula a couple of years earlier and those who
    nominated this would be large.

    Huh? What did they have against Wolfe? His stuff's not my cuppa,
    but I wouldn't cross the street to keep him from an award.

    Apparently it was James Sallis’s “The Creation of Benny Hill” that particularly infuriated the Old Guard. Here is what Gardner Dozois once
    wrote (https://www.tor.com/2011/02/20/hugo-nominees-1971/comment-page-1/#comment-166772)
    about the episode:

    This was the height of the War of the New Wave, and passions
    between the New Wave camp and the conservative Old Guard camp
    were running high. (The same year, Michael Moorcock said in a
    review that the only way SFWA could have found a worse thing
    than RINGWORLD to give the Nebula to was to give it to a comic
    book). The fact that the short story ballot was almost
    completely made up of stuff from ORBIT had outraged the Old
    Guard, particularly James Sallis’s surreal “The Creation of
    Benny Hill”, and they block-voted for No Award as a protest
    against “non-functional word patterns” making the ballot.
    Judy-Lynn del Rey told me as much immediately after the
    banquet, when she was exuberantly gloating about how they’d
    “put ORBIT in its place” with the voting results, and
    actually said “We won!”

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