• [ReacTor] Five SF Strategies for Creating More Land

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 20:41:03 2024
    Five SF Strategies for Creating More Land

    Make Room! Make Room! Literally.

    https://reactormag.com/five-sf-strategies-for-creating-more-land/
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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Fri Mar 1 16:46:23 2024
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 2/29/2024 4:45 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    Five SF Strategies for Creating More Land

    Make Room! Make Room! Literally.

    https://reactormag.com/five-sf-strategies-for-creating-more-land/


    I wonder if Astor knew that the obliquity of the earth changes
    naturally.  That would have been a fairly recent discovery, though it
    would be another decade or more until Ludwig Pilgrim solved the problem
    of exactly how it changed over time.

    I don't think a zero obliquity world would have quite the positive
    effect on the US that Mr Astor's characters are expecting.  At a guess,
    a narrow strip around 30 latitude would profit, everywhere else things
    would be worse.

    At a very rough estimate about fifteen million square kilometers of
    shelf are exposed for a sea level drop of 120m.  However, several
    million of these are in the Arctic.  Given also that the Laurentide ice
    sheet alone was 13 million km in extent and the Fennoscandian a further
    seven, plus Siberian ice, (a small amount of this was over what is now
    water) and I think it's clear we didn't have more land to live on in the
    last ice age.

    But it would double the size of Florida.  If that means we get two
    Carl Hiassens, that's a plus.

    With our luck, we'll get two Piers Anthonys.

    Or two DeSantis, forfend!

    Hiassen did coin the term "Florida Man", IIRC.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Mar 1 12:18:11 2024
    On 3/1/2024 8:46 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
    On 2/29/2024 4:45 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    Five SF Strategies for Creating More Land

    Make Room! Make Room! Literally.

    https://reactormag.com/five-sf-strategies-for-creating-more-land/


    I wonder if Astor knew that the obliquity of the earth changes
    naturally.  That would have been a fairly recent discovery, though it
    would be another decade or more until Ludwig Pilgrim solved the problem
    of exactly how it changed over time.

    I don't think a zero obliquity world would have quite the positive
    effect on the US that Mr Astor's characters are expecting.  At a guess, >>> a narrow strip around 30 latitude would profit, everywhere else things
    would be worse.

    At a very rough estimate about fifteen million square kilometers of
    shelf are exposed for a sea level drop of 120m.  However, several
    million of these are in the Arctic.  Given also that the Laurentide ice >>> sheet alone was 13 million km in extent and the Fennoscandian a further
    seven, plus Siberian ice, (a small amount of this was over what is now
    water) and I think it's clear we didn't have more land to live on in the >>> last ice age.

    But it would double the size of Florida.  If that means we get two
    Carl Hiassens, that's a plus.

    With our luck, we'll get two Piers Anthonys.

    Or two DeSantis, forfend!

    I had been resisting the urge to say that....

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 13:36:32 2024
    It was intieresting that you mentioned a Marvel comic featuring Thanos
    when discussing "smaller people" as a solution.

    Another reference to shrinking people in Marvel Comics that was more
    germane than Ant-Man took place in an early issue of the Fantastic
    Four.

    "There was no enlarging gas, Sue, but in our vast Universe, one's size
    is only relative..."

    Fantastic Four #7, where the FF is kidnapped by Kurrgo, ruler of
    Planet X. Who ends up dying "for an empty dream".

    But what came to my mind was a more direct presentation of shrinking
    the Earth's populatioin as an answer to the population crisis... which
    was presented in the newspaper comic Lil' Abner. A panel showed
    someone driving around in a wind-up toy car, but I can't find
    immediately information to identify and date the strip.

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Sun Mar 3 13:28:44 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:45:51 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I wonder if Astor knew that the obliquity of the earth changes
    naturally.

    I wouldn't know about that, but the project he proposed in jest in his
    book was proposed in earnest on USENET by the late mathematician
    Alexander Abian for a while.

    John Savard

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Sun Mar 3 13:26:07 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:41:03 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    https://reactormag.com/five-sf-strategies-for-creating-more-land/

    You might well "prefer a positive perspective"... given the change in contemporary standards from those of the nineteenth century, and the
    comparison between Astor's personal life and the fate of Marla Maples.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to quadibloc@servername.invalid on Mon Mar 4 14:55:01 2024
    John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:45:51 -0500, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    I wonder if Astor knew that the obliquity of the earth changes
    naturally.

    I wouldn't know about that, but the project he proposed in jest in his
    book was proposed in earnest on USENET by the late mathematician
    Alexander Abian for a while.

    If you convert properly to Abian units, everything changes naturally.
    Be sure to employ the Abian mass-time equivalence formula.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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