• Re: The Great Simeleon Caper by Neal Stephenson

    From D@21:1/5 to artyw2@yahoo.com on Sun Jan 21 15:34:52 2024
    I think the the metaverse has been around in many incarnations through sci
    fi for a long time.

    Crypto currency I can't think of any good examples.

    I liked Neal Stephenson in his early days when the books were about 400
    pages or so.

    Then he left the sci fi/punk genre and became less interesting. I wish he
    would turn back to the style, length and topics of his early days, but I
    guess artists evolve.

    On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:

    Yesterday I went to the library and came back with The Big Book of Cyberpunk (Edited by Jared Shurin) and read the above story
    It mentions the Metaverse
    It has "Crypto Credits"
    It has some kind of AI that when asked to do a tax form comes up with a recipe instead
    This is from 1995
    I had no idea anybody was using the terms "Metaverse" and anything close to cryptocurrency. I guess the concepts have been around for awhile (as well as an error prone AI).
    Prophetic? Or am I just out of it?


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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 21 19:08:46 2024
    pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    However, the latter, while chock full of cool ideas, kept crashing my WSOD
    to the ground. For example, the opening event of the book has the Moon=20 >blow up, but how and why is never revealed (plus the subsequent orbital >mechanics makes no sense).

    No doubt Alexander Abian (Abian!!!) can explain.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to artyw2@yahoo.com on Sun Jan 21 22:41:13 2024
    artyw2@yahoo.com <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Yesterday I went to the library and came back with The Big Book of Cyberpunk (Edited by Jared Shurin) and read the above story
    It mentions the Metaverse
    It has "Crypto Credits"
    It has some kind of AI that when asked to do a tax form comes up with a recipe instead
    This is from 1995
    I had no idea anybody was using the terms "Metaverse" and anything close to cryptocurrency. I guess the concepts have been around for awhile (as well as an error prone AI).
    Prophetic? Or am I just out of it?

    "Metaverse" was coined by Stephenson in his novel _Snow Crash_ 1992.
    In that book, "hyperinflation was created by the government overprinting
    money due to loss of tax revenue, as people increasingly began to use electronic currency, which they exchanged in untaxable encrypted online transactions" - so he can't be blamed for the blockchain frenzy ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 22 10:49:38 2024
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    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-5, D wrote:
    I think the the metaverse has been around in many incarnations through sci >> fi for a long time.

    Crypto currency I can't think of any good examples.

    I liked Neal Stephenson in his early days when the books were about 400
    pages or so.

    Then he left the sci fi/punk genre and became less interesting. I wish he
    would turn back to the style, length and topics of his early days, but I
    guess artists evolve.

    The earliest cryptocurrency I'm aware of is David Chaum's Digicash, based
    on the Blind Signature protocols he invented in 1983.

    As for Stephenson, after the Baroque cycle was done, Anathem was decent,
    but only SF towards the end, while SevenEves was pure SF.

    However, the latter, while chock full of cool ideas, kept crashing my WSOD
    to the ground. For example, the opening event of the book has the Moon
    blow up, but how and why is never revealed (plus the subsequent orbital mechanics makes no sense).

    True, SevenEves was decent! I've come to the conclusion that with the
    more modern Stephenson, I only focus on the dialogue and I can skip a
    lot of the text in between. That way I get a good story, quick
    development, while not having boring descriptions in between. Just like
    Game of thrones.

    My favourite science fiction is the golden age. A science fiction book
    doesn't have to be more than 200-300 pages. ;)

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Jan 22 07:34:05 2024
    On 1/21/2024 11:57 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 1/21/2024 11:23 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-5, D wrote:
    I think the the metaverse has been around in many incarnations
    through sci
    fi for a long time.

    Crypto currency I can't think of any good examples.

    I liked Neal Stephenson in his early days when the books were about 400
    pages or so.

    Then he left the sci fi/punk genre and became less interesting. I
    wish he
    would turn back to the style, length and topics of his early days, but I >>> guess artists evolve.

    The earliest cryptocurrency I'm aware of is David Chaum's Digicash, based
    on the Blind Signature protocols he invented in 1983.

    As for Stephenson, after the Baroque cycle was done, Anathem was decent,
    but only SF towards the end, while SevenEves was pure SF.

    However, the latter, while chock full of cool ideas, kept crashing my
    WSOD
    to the ground. For example, the opening event of the book has the Moon
    blow up, but how and why is never revealed (plus the subsequent orbital
    mechanics makes no sense).

    Pt

    I think it was a wandering black hole that blew up the moon.  No, it was probably aliens.  No, it was a Russian conspiracy.

    A Russian conspiracy with aliens to use a black hole to blow up the moon!

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 22 15:20:51 2024
    On 1/22/2024 2:39 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    That was just the first of many things which killed my WSOD, including a
    5000 year old shovel still being in use.

    Perhaps it was the shovel of Theseus?

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 22 19:05:34 2024
    On 1/22/2024 6:40 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 4:20:58 PM UTC-5, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 1/22/2024 2:39 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    That was just the first of many things which killed my WSOD, including a >>> 5000 year old shovel still being in use.
    Perhaps it was the shovel of Theseus?

    Seeing as this 5000 year old artifact still had the original Sears Roebuck Craftsman label on the wooden handle, no. It's not a carefully preserved relic either; its in use.

    Pt

    Oh, well, if it's a Sears Roebuck Craftsman that's totally believable.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Tue Jan 23 10:32:20 2024
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    On Mon, 22 Jan 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 1/22/2024 3:49 AM, D wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:34:59 AM UTC-5, D wrote:
    I think the the metaverse has been around in many incarnations through >>>> sci
    fi for a long time.

    Crypto currency I can't think of any good examples.

    I liked Neal Stephenson in his early days when the books were about 400 >>>> pages or so.

    Then he left the sci fi/punk genre and became less interesting. I wish he >>>> would turn back to the style, length and topics of his early days, but I >>>> guess artists evolve.

    The earliest cryptocurrency I'm aware of is David Chaum's Digicash, based >>> on the Blind Signature protocols he invented in 1983.

    As for Stephenson, after the Baroque cycle was done, Anathem was decent, >>> but only SF towards the end, while SevenEves was pure SF.

    However, the latter, while chock full of cool ideas, kept crashing my WSOD >>> to the ground. For example, the opening event of the book has the Moon
    blow up, but how and why is never revealed (plus the subsequent orbital
    mechanics makes no sense).

    True, SevenEves was decent! I've come to the conclusion that with the
    more modern Stephenson, I only focus on the dialogue and I can skip a
    lot of the text in between. That way I get a good story, quick
    development, while not having boring descriptions in between. Just like
    Game of thrones.

    My favourite science fiction is the golden age. A science fiction book
    doesn't have to be more than 200-300 pages. ;)

    Stephenson should have broken Seveneves into three books, a trilogy. He already split it into three parts.


    Agreed! Would have made it a much more pleasant read. But yes, I guess if
    you compress all of the foundation into one book it will become a
    huge "modern" science fiction book.

    Best regards,
    Daniel

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