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    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 16:32:12 2023
    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
    Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
    --
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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Fri Nov 17 15:29:57 2023
    On 11/17/2023 10:32 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    They may be impractical using today's technology but they sure are fun.
    Two of the five books are in my Six Star list, "Red Lightning" and "We
    are Legion (We are Bob)".

    Doesn't several of Heinlein's books use constant acceleration ? Quite a
    few authors use that trick XXXXXX feature. And of course, so does Star
    Wars. The Mandalorian is obviously towing a trillion liter tank behind
    his old star fighter.

    Lynn

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Fri Nov 17 21:25:05 2023
    On 2023-11-17, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using Constant Acceleration

    The prototypical story that takes this to the extreme is, of course,
    Poul Anderson's _Tau Zero_ (1970).

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 14:51:18 2023
    I am very saddened to learn that Petr Beckmann's opposition to Communist tyranny,
    as expressed in "A History of Pi", and his defense of the safety of nuclear power in
    "The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear", may now be taken less seriously, because
    his detractors can now point to his more recent work "Einstein Plus Two" to discredit
    him as a crackpot.

    John Savard

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to naddy@mips.inka.de on Sat Nov 18 01:56:33 2023
    In article <slrnulfmhh.23ti.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2023-11-17, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
    Constant Acceleration

    The prototypical story that takes this to the extreme is, of course,
    Poul Anderson's _Tau Zero_ (1970).

    I used it in a piece on Bussard Ramjets....
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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sat Nov 18 16:55:06 2023
    Quadibloc wrote:
    I am very saddened to learn that Petr Beckmann's opposition to Communist tyranny,
    as expressed in "A History of Pi", and his defense of the safety of nuclear power in
    "The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear", may now be taken less seriously, because
    his detractors can now point to his more recent work "Einstein Plus Two" to discredit
    him as a crackpot.

    Thank you. _Einstein Plus Two_ will join _Weimar Culture, Causality, and Quantum Theory, 1918-1927: Adaptation by Physicists and Mathematicians
    to a Hostile Intellectual Environment_ (Forman) and _The speed of
    gravity - What the experiments say_ (Van Flandern) on my To Be Read
    (or rather "Listened To" list). My literal list lends a hand to discern
    how much of the Copenhagen Interpretative dogma built on top of the two
    slit experiment is magical thinking - a house of cards.

    The simple admonishment to "shut up and calculate" doesn't cut it for
    me. YMMV.

    Danke,

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God.
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.

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  • From Jerry Brown@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Sat Nov 18 17:43:00 2023
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using >Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard >Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    --
    Jerry Brown

    A cat may look at a king
    (but probably won't bother)

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid on Sat Nov 18 18:30:13 2023
    In article <frthli1iq0iksluea7qh8bj4iqs74bln30@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using >>Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
    --
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 18 19:19:49 2023
    Quadibloc wrote:
    I am very saddened to learn that Petr Beckmann's opposition to
    Communist tyranny,
    as expressed in "A History of Pi", and his defense of the safety of
    nuclear power in
    "The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear", may now be taken less
    seriously, because
    his detractors can now point to his more recent work "Einstein Plus
    Two" to discredit
    him as a crackpot.

    The easiest way to avoid being remembered as a crackpot is
    not to be a crackpot and in particular, not to be an argumentative
    crackpot online. I know this is a lesson likely to be lost on Mr
    Vatgirl but others might benefit.

    I am fairly sure I have Health Hazards somewhere upstairs.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sat Nov 18 11:43:37 2023
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using >>Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.

    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
    World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to ahasuerus@email.com on Sat Nov 18 20:24:33 2023
    In article <c20be383-2112-4497-b993-693423f2e1bdn@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
    Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
    Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.

    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A >World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).

    I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the
    inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
    to prove I am not mistaken...

    I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.

    https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sat Nov 18 15:07:39 2023
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:24:37 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote: >> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using >> >>Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard >> >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.

    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A >World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).
    I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
    to prove I am not mistaken...

    I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.

    https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett

    Worse things have been known to happen. Murray Leinster took 4
    unrelated novelettes, merged their protagonists into "Bordman"
    (originally from "Sand Doom"), tweaked the text and published the
    results as _Colonial Survey_ (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37712)

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to ahasuerus@email.com on Sun Nov 19 03:51:59 2023
    In article <9908f79a-45b1-4bab-a469-d761c5dbac86n@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:24:37 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote: >> >> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using >> >> >>Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard >> >> >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.


    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.

    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A >> >World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).
    I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the
    inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
    to prove I am not mistaken...

    I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.

    https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett

    Worse things have been known to happen. Murray Leinster took 4
    unrelated novelettes, merged their protagonists into "Bordman"
    (originally from "Sand Doom"), tweaked the text and published the
    results as _Colonial Survey_ (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37712)

    "I am A.E. van Vogt, and I declare this Leinster fellow a piker!"
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Michael F. Stemper@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Nov 19 09:59:11 2023
    On 18/11/2023 14.24, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <c20be383-2112-4497-b993-693423f2e1bdn@googlegroups.com>, Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote: >>> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.

    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
    World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).

    I don't know why the name changed but it did.

    I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to
    "James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my
    neurons.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    Nostalgia just ain't what it used to be.

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 19 08:42:10 2023
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:52:05 PM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <9908f79a-45b1-4bab...@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:24:37 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote: >> In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
    Constant Acceleration

    No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
    Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.


    https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there. >> >
    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
    World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).
    I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the
    inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
    to prove I am not mistaken...

    I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.

    https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett

    Worse things have been known to happen. Murray Leinster took 4
    unrelated novelettes, merged their protagonists into "Bordman"
    (originally from "Sand Doom"), tweaked the text and published the
    results as _Colonial Survey_ (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37712) "I am A.E. van Vogt, and I declare this Leinster fellow a piker!"

    A piker? In that case Fritz Leiber would like to place a bet -- _You're
    All Alone_ -- see https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11452

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Sun Nov 19 17:05:58 2023
    In article <ujdbcf$3s45f$1@dont-email.me>,
    Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 18/11/2023 14.24, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <c20be383-2112-4497-b993-693423f2e1bdn@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote: >>>> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.

    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A >>> World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).

    I don't know why the name changed but it did.

    I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome >Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to
    "James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this >theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my
    neurons.


    Maybe someone pointed out "Tom Corbett" to him and he decided he didn't
    want that association?
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Steve Coltrin@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Mon Nov 20 09:11:08 2023
    begin fnord
    "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:

    I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to
    "James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my
    neurons.

    Niven is a documented Cabell fan, so I don't think it's a crazy theory.

    --
    Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
    "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
    to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
    - Associated Press

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 20 11:04:18 2023
    On Sunday, 19 November 2023 at 17:06:04 UTC, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <ujdbcf$3s45f$1...@dont-email.me>,
    Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 18/11/2023 14.24, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
    Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
    Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

    I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett". >>>>>
    I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there. >>>
    It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
    World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
    of "Rammer" (1971).

    I don't know why the name changed but it did.

    I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome >Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to >"James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this >theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my >neurons.

    Maybe someone pointed out "Tom Corbett" to him and he decided he didn't
    want that association?

    Or someone named Corbett objected to the portrayal.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel,_Shyster,_and_Flywheel> -
    1930s radio comedy with some Marx Brothers, remade
    in the 1990s by the BBC - "was originally titled Beagle,
    Shyster, and Beagle, with Groucho Marx's bad lawyer
    character named Waldorf T. Beagle, until a real lawyer
    from New York named Beagle contacted NBC and
    threatened to file a lawsuit unless the name was
    dropped." Thus, _Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel_.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to g@crcomp.net on Mon Nov 20 22:27:52 2023
    In article <20231118b@crcomp.net>, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
    Quantum Theory, 1918-1927: Adaptation by Physicists and Mathematicians
    to a Hostile Intellectual Environment_ (Forman) and _The speed of
    gravity - What the experiments say_ (Van Flandern) on my To Be Read
    (or rather "Listened To" list). My literal list lends a hand to discern
    how much of the Copenhagen Interpretative dogma built on top of the two
    slit experiment is magical thinking - a house of cards.

    The simple admonishment to "shut up and calculate" doesn't cut it for
    me. YMMV.

    That's all anyone can do, because it's not like anything that you have physically experienced. It's a thing that doesn't exist in the kitchen
    table scale world that we are familiar with. You can't think of it as
    a wave, you can't think of it as a particle. You can only rely on the
    math that describes it.

    I wish there was a nice analogy to something in the kitchen table scale
    world, but there's not.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Mon Nov 20 23:31:20 2023
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel,_Shyster,_and_Flywheel> -
    1930s radio comedy with some Marx Brothers, remade
    in the 1990s by the BBC - "was originally titled Beagle,
    Shyster, and Beagle, with Groucho Marx's bad lawyer
    character named Waldorf T. Beagle, until a real lawyer
    from New York named Beagle contacted NBC and
    threatened to file a lawsuit unless the name was
    dropped." Thus, _Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel_.

    I wonder why _Car Talk_ didn't had a similar problem with
    Dewey, Cheetham and Howe.

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Scott on Tue Nov 21 18:08:09 2023
    Scott wrote:
    Don wrote:

    <snip>

    Thank you. _Einstein Plus Two_ will join _Weimar Culture, Causality, and >>Quantum Theory, 1918-1927: Adaptation by Physicists and Mathematicians
    to a Hostile Intellectual Environment_ (Forman) and _The speed of
    gravity - What the experiments say_ (Van Flandern) on my To Be Read
    (or rather "Listened To" list). My literal list lends a hand to discern
    how much of the Copenhagen Interpretative dogma built on top of the two >>slit experiment is magical thinking - a house of cards.

    The simple admonishment to "shut up and calculate" doesn't cut it for
    me. YMMV.

    That's all anyone can do, because it's not like anything that you have physically experienced. It's a thing that doesn't exist in the kitchen
    table scale world that we are familiar with. You can't think of it as
    a wave, you can't think of it as a particle. You can only rely on the
    math that describes it.

    I wish there was a nice analogy to something in the kitchen table scale world, but there's not.

    Did the Interpretative Copenhagen crapshoot's compulsory cancel of
    causality catalyze "call-out" and "cancel" culture?"

    A kitchen table Platonic form offers an opportune opening to segue into
    Borges' "visual geometry" found in "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbius Tertius:"

    The basis of visual geometry is the surface, not the point.
    This geometry has no idea of parallel lines and holds that
    a moving man modifies the forms that surround him.

    Danke,

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God.
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.

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  • From Andrew McDowell@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Nov 21 10:56:49 2023
    On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 10:27:57 PM UTC, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <2023...@crcomp.net>, Don <g...@crcomp.net> wrote:
    Quantum Theory, 1918-1927: Adaptation by Physicists and Mathematicians
    to a Hostile Intellectual Environment_ (Forman) and _The speed of
    gravity - What the experiments say_ (Van Flandern) on my To Be Read
    (or rather "Listened To" list). My literal list lends a hand to discern >how much of the Copenhagen Interpretative dogma built on top of the two >slit experiment is magical thinking - a house of cards.

    The simple admonishment to "shut up and calculate" doesn't cut it for
    me. YMMV.
    That's all anyone can do, because it's not like anything that you have physically experienced. It's a thing that doesn't exist in the kitchen
    table scale world that we are familiar with. You can't think of it as
    a wave, you can't think of it as a particle. You can only rely on the
    math that describes it.

    I wish there was a nice analogy to something in the kitchen table scale world, but there's not.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
    "Guess and check" is one widely applicable way of solving problems - but where do you get good guesses from? One approach would to find all the ways you can of thinking about the problem and then vary them slightly to produce guesses. One hope is that
    somewhere out there there is a way of thinking about the quantum world that will lead to a guess that - after calculation and experimentation - will be a good pointer to forward progress. Another is that attempts to build a genuinely useful quantum
    computer will fail in an interesting way.

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