Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective Government
We're not using the L-word.
https://www.tor.com/2023/11/01/five-sf-visions-of-society-free-from-rules-regulations-or-effective-government/
https://www.tor.com/2023/11/01/five-sf-visions-of-society-free-from-rules-regulations-or-effective-government/
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective Government
We're not using the L-word.
https://www.tor.com/2023/11/01/five-sf-visions-of-society-free-from-rules-regulations-or-effective-government/
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective >Government
James Nicoll wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective >GovernmentThe corporate-run, not much other government is the premise for, in
spite of the title, "Jennifer Government" by Max Barry. I was
interested to find a few months back that the game he created or
sponsored, NationStates, is still going.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=world
I noodled around with that years ago. I don't seem to have my login credentials recorded anywhere.
Sort of similarly is the Corporate Rim in the Murderbot Diaries.
Companies seem to have pretty free rein in most of their dealings,
although there seems to be some court system that works.
I do wonder if there was a similar effect that improved
SF writers: they got out of their ivy-colored towers and saw different >places, different people, saw the technological and military effect of >science.
Eric Frank Russell, "... And Then There Were None"
On 2023-11-01, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
https://www.tor.com/2023/11/01/five-sf-visions-of-society-free-from-rules-regulations-or-effective-government/
Vernor Vinge, "The Ungoverned"
Which I haven't actually read.
On 01/11/2023 14.49, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
On 2023-11-01, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
https://www.tor.com/2023/11/01/five-sf-visions-of-society-free-from-rules-regulations-or-effective-government/
Vernor Vinge, "The Ungoverned"
Which I haven't actually read.
It's fun. It doesn't work as a philosophical tract. because
the day is saved largely due to most people being rational
actors.
It's followed by _The Peace War_, which is also quite enjoyable. ><https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?703>
In article <ui3j1c$2tr2u$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 01/11/2023 14.49, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
I thought Peace War came before the Ungoverned?Vernor Vinge, "The Ungoverned"
Which I haven't actually read.
It's fun. It doesn't work as a philosophical tract. because
the day is saved largely due to most people being rational
actors.
It's followed by _The Peace War_, which is also quite enjoyable.
<https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?703>
On 03/11/2023 15.50, James Nicoll wrote:
In article <ui3j1c$2tr2u$1...@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 01/11/2023 14.49, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
Yeah, you're right. My bad.I thought Peace War came before the Ungoverned?Vernor Vinge, "The Ungoverned"
Which I haven't actually read.
It's fun. It doesn't work as a philosophical tract. because
the day is saved largely due to most people being rational
actors.
It's followed by _The Peace War_, which is also quite enjoyable.
<https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?703>
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective Government". . . And Then There Were None" by Eric Frank Russell
We're not using the L-word.
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Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective Government
We're not using the L-word.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:10:31 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective
Government
We're not using the L-word.
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a thousand-plus thread here
when published. Some of it rather heated.
William Hyde
On 5/11/23 10:59, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:10:31 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote: >>> Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective
Government
We're not using the L-word.
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a thousand-plus thread here
when published. Some of it rather heated.
William Hyde
I tried to look that up on Google Groups but it doesn't go back that far.
The Stone Canal is the only MacLeod I have read and there was much I
enjoyed, including the sense of wonder but I found the politics and international events confusing having not paid attention to detail. I
was also a little confused by the time shifts and it took a while to understand the differing characters of humans and AI cloned machinery.
Was the heat due to politics or to the more esoteric rights of AI?
On 5/11/23 10:59, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:10:31 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or Effective
Government
We're not using the L-word.
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a thousand-plus thread here
when published. Some of it rather heated.
William Hyde
I tried to look that up on Google Groups but it doesn't go back that far. The Stone Canal is the only MacLeod I have read and there was much I enjoyed, including the sense of wonder but I found the politics and international events confusing having not paid attention to detail.
On 11/14/2023 10:29 PM, Titus G wrote:
On 5/11/23 10:59, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:10:31 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll
wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or
Effective Government
We're not using the L-word.
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a
thousand-plus thread here when published. Some of it rather
heated.
William Hyde
I tried to look that up on Google Groups but it doesn't go back
that far. The Stone Canal is the only MacLeod I have read and there
was much I enjoyed, including the sense of wonder but I found the
politics and international events confusing having not paid
attention to detail. I was also a little confused by the time
shifts and it took a while to understand the differing characters
of humans and AI cloned machinery. Was the heat due to politics or
to the more esoteric rights of AI?
You ask that like they wouldn't be one and the same.... ;)
On 16/11/23 05:39, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/14/2023 10:29 PM, Titus G wrote:
On 5/11/23 10:59, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:10:31 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll
wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or
Effective Government
We're not using the L-word.
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a
thousand-plus thread here when published. Some of it rather
heated.
William Hyde
I tried to look that up on Google Groups but it doesn't go back
that far. The Stone Canal is the only MacLeod I have read and there
was much I enjoyed, including the sense of wonder but I found the
politics and international events confusing having not paid
attention to detail. I was also a little confused by the time
shifts and it took a while to understand the differing characters
of humans and AI cloned machinery. Was the heat due to politics or
to the more esoteric rights of AI?
You ask that like they wouldn't be one and the same.... ;)
I don't remember enough to be sure but there were different
interpretations of what anarchy was and to what extent it should be practised. The route to anarchy was also heavily political with emphasis
on far left factions.
Some AI machines and some androids were based on human brain tissue.
Whether these had rights was an arguable issue as well as the further
use of AI in nanotechnology may have been. This was a lesser issue.
I probably should reread it before more vague comment.
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
Titus G wrote:
William wrote:
James wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or
Effective Government
We're not using the L-word.
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a
thousand-plus thread here when published. Some of it rather
heated.
William Hyde
I tried to look that up on Google Groups but it doesn't go back
that far. The Stone Canal is the only MacLeod I have read and there
was much I enjoyed, including the sense of wonder but I found the
politics and international events confusing having not paid
attention to detail. I was also a little confused by the time
shifts and it took a while to understand the differing characters
of humans and AI cloned machinery. Was the heat due to politics or
to the more esoteric rights of AI?
You ask that like they wouldn't be one and the same.... ;)
I don't remember enough to be sure but there were different
interpretations of what anarchy was and to what extent it should be practised. The route to anarchy was also heavily political with emphasis
on far left factions.
Some AI machines and some androids were based on human brain tissue.
Whether these had rights was an arguable issue as well as the further
use of AI in nanotechnology may have been. This was a lesser issue.
I probably should reread it before more vague comment.
I don't remember enough to be sure but there were different
interpretations of what anarchy was and to what extent it should be >practised. The route to anarchy was also heavily political with emphasis
on far left factions.
In article <uj41tk$245h4$1@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
I don't remember enough to be sure but there were different
interpretations of what anarchy was and to what extent it should be
practised. The route to anarchy was also heavily political with emphasis
on far left factions.
Was this based vaguely on the Spanish Civil War?
--scott
On 11/15/2023 7:22 PM, Titus G wrote:
On 16/11/23 05:39, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/14/2023 10:29 PM, Titus G wrote:
On 5/11/23 10:59, William Hyde wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:10:31 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll
wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or
Effective Government
We're not using the L-word.
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a
thousand-plus thread here when published. Some of it rather
heated.
William Hyde
I tried to look that up on Google Groups but it doesn't go back
that far. The Stone Canal is the only MacLeod I have read and there
was much I enjoyed, including the sense of wonder but I found the
politics and international events confusing having not paid
attention to detail. I was also a little confused by the time
shifts and it took a while to understand the differing characters
of humans and AI cloned machinery. Was the heat due to politics or
to the more esoteric rights of AI?
You ask that like they wouldn't be one and the same.... ;)
I don't remember enough to be sure but there were different
interpretations of what anarchy was and to what extent it should be
practised. The route to anarchy was also heavily political with emphasis
on far left factions.
Some AI machines and some androids were based on human brain tissue.
Whether these had rights was an arguable issue as well as the further
use of AI in nanotechnology may have been. This was a lesser issue.
I probably should reread it before more vague comment.
My point was that "Rights" as in what an individual can do are VERY much
a political issue.
Titus G wrote:
William wrote:
James wrote:
Five SF Visions of Society Free From Rules, Regulations, or
Effective Government
I would add Ken MacLeod's "The Stone Canal", which spawned a
thousand-plus thread here when published. Some of it rather
heated.
I tried to look that up on Google Groups but it doesn't go back
that far.
Finally, the promising Macleod data dump - dig in:
<https://crcomp.net/arts/macleod.html>
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