Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships
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Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
Actually, it is possible to warm one's hands over a solid-state amplifier.
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
Actually, it is possible to warm one's hands over a solid-state amplifier.
On 2023-10-10, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Actually, it is possible to warm one's hands over a solid-state amplifier.
I mean, my stereo amp sucks 25 watts just for the pleasure of being
switched on. As did the one before. That's enough for a bit of
hand warming.
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/I quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but it turned out to be better protected
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On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete SpaceshipsI quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland
would be appropriate theme music.
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become >pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but
it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat
than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
In article <8844de76-8424-4f89...@googlegroups.com>,My takeaway from the 1978 Battlestar Galactica is that it was the demonstration of the converse of "If you want peace, prepare for war." Politicians who might most generously be described as well-intentioned idiots weaken the defenses of a state to an
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:Which, of course, was the plot of the Battlestar Galactica reboot.
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete SpaceshipsI quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland >> would be appropriate theme music.
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become >pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but >it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat >than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
Not that there's anything wrong with that -- I thought it was decent.
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Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete SpaceshipsI quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland
would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/--
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become >pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but
it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat
than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
In article <8844de76-8424-4f89...@googlegroups.com>,
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:[Hal Heydt]
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete SpaceshipsI quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland >> would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/--
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become >pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but >it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat >than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
Not like that hasn't happened in the real world (as regards
ships, not necessarily their commanders). When one of the
refurbished WW2 Iowa class battleships was sent to Gulf, some
clueless reporter asked the commanding officer what he would do
if the ship were to be hit by an Exocet missile. He replied that
he would do what his predecessor did in WW2 when the ship was hit by
a kamikazi. Send out a fire crew to put out the fire, a sweeping
crew to remove the debris, and paint crew to paint over the
scorched spot.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 5:36:19 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <8844de76-8424-4f89...@googlegroups.com>,
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:[Hal Heydt]
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete SpaceshipsI quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland >> >> would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become
pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but
it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat
than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
Not like that hasn't happened in the real world (as regards
ships, not necessarily their commanders). When one of the
refurbished WW2 Iowa class battleships was sent to Gulf, some
clueless reporter asked the commanding officer what he would do
if the ship were to be hit by an Exocet missile. He replied that
he would do what his predecessor did in WW2 when the ship was hit by
a kamikazi. Send out a fire crew to put out the fire, a sweeping
crew to remove the debris, and paint crew to paint over the
scorched spot.
By 1800 the 64 gun ship of the line was verging on obsolete, much smaller >than a British 74 and far smaller than a French 74. But the UK had a lot
of them and it wasn't practical to take those units out of the fleet in the >middle of a war - three fought at Trafalgar on the British side and one
on the Spanish.
Some were made into razees, with the top deck cut off. In this role they >were like very powerful frigates, with heavy guns and the (wooden) armour
of a ship of the line. I can't think of an equivalent in SF.
In article <8844de76-8424-4f89-a0aa-31b965da38fbn@googlegroups.com>,
Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships-spaceships/
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland >> would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete
--I quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become >pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but
it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat >than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
[Hal Heydt]
Not like that hasn't happened in the real world (as regards
ships, not necessarily their commanders). When one of the
refurbished WW2 Iowa class battleships was sent to Gulf, some
clueless reporter asked the commanding officer what he would do
if the ship were to be hit by an Exocet missile. He replied that
he would do what his predecessor did in WW2 when the ship was hit by
a kamikazi. Send out a fire crew to put out the fire, a sweeping
crew to remove the debris, and paint crew to paint over the
scorched spot.
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> writes:
On 2023-10-10, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Actually, it is possible to warm one's hands over a solid-state amplifier. >>I mean, my stereo amp sucks 25 watts just for the pleasure of being >>switched on. As did the one before. That's enough for a bit of
hand warming.
My receiver (RX-A3070) has 9 channels of amplification at various power >levels. Maximum effective output power single channel at 1khz is
230W. When configured for three zones (front porch 2.0, Living Room 5.1, >back yard 2.0) it does generate some heat.
In article <70952f56-abb6-4d0e...@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 5:36:19 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <8844de76-8424-4f89...@googlegroups.com>,
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote: >> >> Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships[Hal Heydt]
I quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the Midland
would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become >> >pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but >> >it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat >> >than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
Not like that hasn't happened in the real world (as regards
ships, not necessarily their commanders). When one of the
refurbished WW2 Iowa class battleships was sent to Gulf, some
clueless reporter asked the commanding officer what he would do
if the ship were to be hit by an Exocet missile. He replied that
he would do what his predecessor did in WW2 when the ship was hit by
a kamikazi. Send out a fire crew to put out the fire, a sweeping
crew to remove the debris, and paint crew to paint over the
scorched spot.
By 1800 the 64 gun ship of the line was verging on obsolete, much smaller >than a British 74 and far smaller than a French 74. But the UK had a lot >of them and it wasn't practical to take those units out of the fleet in the >middle of a war - three fought at Trafalgar on the British side and one
on the Spanish.
Some were made into razees, with the top deck cut off. In this role they >were like very powerful frigates, with heavy guns and the (wooden) armour >of a ship of the line. I can't think of an equivalent in SF.[Hal Heydt]
The British sometimes claimed the the big American frigates--like
the Constitution--were cut down 74s. They weren't.
built as frigates but had very good lines (from the US tradition
of blockade runners, and--probably--privateers) and exceptionally
well designed and built hulls.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <70952f56-abb6-4d0e...@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 5:36:19 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >> In article <8844de76-8424-4f89...@googlegroups.com>,[Hal Heydt]
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote: >> >> >> Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships[Hal Heydt]
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the >Midland
would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
--I quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see
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there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become >> >> >pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but >> >> >it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat >> >> >than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
Not like that hasn't happened in the real world (as regards
ships, not necessarily their commanders). When one of the
refurbished WW2 Iowa class battleships was sent to Gulf, some
clueless reporter asked the commanding officer what he would do
if the ship were to be hit by an Exocet missile. He replied that
he would do what his predecessor did in WW2 when the ship was hit by
a kamikazi. Send out a fire crew to put out the fire, a sweeping
crew to remove the debris, and paint crew to paint over the
scorched spot.
By 1800 the 64 gun ship of the line was verging on obsolete, much smaller >> >than a British 74 and far smaller than a French 74. But the UK had a lot
of them and it wasn't practical to take those units out of the fleet in the >> >middle of a war - three fought at Trafalgar on the British side and one
on the Spanish.
Some were made into razees, with the top deck cut off. In this role they
were like very powerful frigates, with heavy guns and the (wooden) armour >> >of a ship of the line. I can't think of an equivalent in SF.
The British sometimes claimed the the big American frigates--like
the Constitution--were cut down 74s. They weren't.
Further to the idea of obsolete vessels, as late as 1798 the British
still had a few 50
gunned two deckers in service. They built one as late as 1780 and you
have to wonder
what spectacular corruption allowed that to happen.
One of them made a good fight against a French 74 but was captured. The >mainmast of the 74 was hit
almost thirty times, but the light armament of the 50s upper deck didn't >throw heavy enough shells to
take it down. Had the 74 been fighting the Constitution with its 24
pounder carronades on the upper deck
I think the result might have been very different.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
In article <1920e81c-645b-4939...@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <70952f56-abb6-4d0e...@googlegroups.com>,[Hal Heydt]
William Hyde <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 5:36:19 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:[Hal Heydt]
In article <8844de76-8424-4f89...@googlegroups.com>,
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:07:35 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:[Hal Heydt]
Five SF Classics Featuring Soon-To-Be Obsolete Spaceships
Science fiction stories for which Stan Rogers' Last Watch on the >Midland
would be appropriate theme music.
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/10/five-sf-classics-featuring-soon-to-be-obsolete-spaceships/
--I quite liked Christopher Nuttall's Ark Royal series, although I see >> >> >there are new books in it I have not read yet. The Ark Royal had become
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pretty much a museum spaceship, with an equally washed up commander, but
it turned out to be better protected against the unexpected alien threat
than more modern ships, and its commander achieved redemption.
Not like that hasn't happened in the real world (as regards
ships, not necessarily their commanders). When one of the
refurbished WW2 Iowa class battleships was sent to Gulf, some
clueless reporter asked the commanding officer what he would do
if the ship were to be hit by an Exocet missile. He replied that
he would do what his predecessor did in WW2 when the ship was hit by >> >> a kamikazi. Send out a fire crew to put out the fire, a sweeping
crew to remove the debris, and paint crew to paint over the
scorched spot.
By 1800 the 64 gun ship of the line was verging on obsolete, much smaller
than a British 74 and far smaller than a French 74. But the UK had a lot >> >of them and it wasn't practical to take those units out of the fleet in the
middle of a war - three fought at Trafalgar on the British side and one >> >on the Spanish.
Some were made into razees, with the top deck cut off. In this role they >> >were like very powerful frigates, with heavy guns and the (wooden) armour
of a ship of the line. I can't think of an equivalent in SF.
The British sometimes claimed the the big American frigates--like
the Constitution--were cut down 74s. They weren't.
(Trimming a lot of good information.)
Further to the idea of obsolete vessels, as late as 1798 the BritishIn the undeclared war between (on one side) the US and Britain,
still had a few 50
gunned two deckers in service. They built one as late as 1780 and you
have to wonder
what spectacular corruption allowed that to happen.
and (on the other side) France in 1797, the US frigate
Constellation took on and beat a French 50-gun ship.
One of them made a good fight against a French 74 but was captured. The >mainmast of the 74 was hitAt that period, solid shot (and various options like canister and
almost thirty times, but the light armament of the 50s upper deck didn't >throw heavy enough shells to
chain), not shells.
that period, the only gun that would be used to fire an explosive
shell would have be a mortar. And in the War of 1812, if the
gunner cut the fuse timing too short, it would detonate short of
the target yielding, "bombs bursting in air."
take it down. Had the 74 been fighting the Constitution with its 24 >pounder carronades on the upper deckIt's moderately likely that, under one of the better US ship
I think the result might have been very different.
captains, one of the US 44-gun frigates might well have defeated
a British 74. US gunnery tactics might well have affected the
outcome, too. While the British practice was round shot fired at
the hull, the US adopted the French tactic of firing chain shot
through the rigging.
Dismasting the 74 would have then given the
US ship the opportunity to rake the 74, including across the
(almost always unprotected) stern.
[Hal Heydt]
Not like that hasn't happened in the real world (as regards
ships, not necessarily their commanders). When one of the
refurbished WW2 Iowa class battleships was sent to Gulf, some
clueless reporter asked the commanding officer what he would do
if the ship were to be hit by an Exocet missile. He replied that
he would do what his predecessor did in WW2 when the ship was hit by
a kamikazi. Send out a fire crew to put out the fire, a sweeping
crew to remove the debris, and paint crew to paint over the
scorched spot.
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