Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional Messiahs
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional MessiahsAt the end of Zelazny's Lord of Light one of the other characters pretty much promotes the hero from insurgent and politician to Messiah.
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
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Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional Messiahs
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 10/2/2023 9:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional Messiahs
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
Just "Dune Messiah" for me.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Mike did not claim to be a Messiah. And the "Fosterites" was just
RAH poking fun at the mormans.
On 10/2/2023 9:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional Messiahs
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
Just "Dune Messiah" for me.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
On 10/2/2023 9:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional Messiahs
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
Just "Dune Messiah" for me.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?Mike did not claim to be a Messiah.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional Messiahs
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 3:11:23 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional MessiahsAt the end of Zelazny's Lord of Light one of the other characters pretty
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you
could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional- messiahs/
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much promotes the hero from insurgent and politician to Messiah.
I'd be interested to know if there was a book written as fiction where a long-expected Messiah turned out to be nothing like the spectacular
warlord that had been expected. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented,
but it might be an amusing twist.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Just "Dune Messiah" for me.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Mike did not claim to be a Messiah. And the "Fosterites" was just
RAH poking fun at the mormans.
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Heinlein had several messiahs... sure, everybody remembers Valentine Michael >Smith, but doesn't Nehemiah Scudder count in a way too?
--scott
On 10/2/2023 3:32 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 10/2/2023 9:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Novels Featuring Science-Fictional Messiahs
Why burden yourself with the onerous work of saving the world when you >>>> could delegate the task to a messiah?
https://www.tor.com/2023/10/02/five-novels-featuring-science-fictional-messiahs/
Just "Dune Messiah" for me.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Mike did not claim to be a Messiah. And the "Fosterites" was just
RAH poking fun at the mormans.
I need to reread SIASL, it has been at least 40 years. I thought Mike
said eat my flesh.
On 02/10/2023 15.32, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
Just "Dune Messiah" for me.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Mike did not claim to be a Messiah. And the "Fosterites" was just
RAH poking fun at the mormans.
The Mormons? I thought that the target was televangelists. I seem to
recall RAH (or his narrator) speaking favorably of the Mormons in
"If This Goes On ..."
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> writes:
On 02/10/2023 15.32, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
Just "Dune Messiah" for me.
What, no "Stranger In A Strange Land" ?
Mike did not claim to be a Messiah. And the "Fosterites" was just
RAH poking fun at the mormans.
The Mormons? I thought that the target was televangelists. I seem to >recall RAH (or his narrator) speaking favorably of the Mormons inIIRC, it was the Freemasons in "If This Goes On...".
"If This Goes On ..."
There's certainly some aspects of southern fundamentalist traditions
in the depiction of the Fosterites, as well as some level of
showmanship. I'm not sure how widespread TV evangelism was
in the 1950s.
If life-style journalists have their way, the messiah will
be a couple (see Taylor Swift + Travis Kelce).
That's the story RAH never wrote right? (And explained the outline of
the unwritten story as a sequel to 'If this goes on" - RAH said he'd
never write the story as he hated Scudder too much)
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> writes:
The Mormons? I thought that the target was televangelists. I seem to >recall RAH (or his narrator) speaking favorably of the Mormons in
"If This Goes On ..."
IIRC, it was the Freemasons in "If This Goes On...".
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> writes:
The Mormons? I thought that the target was televangelists. I seem to >recall RAH (or his narrator) speaking favorably of the Mormons in
"If This Goes On ..."
IIRC, it was the Freemasons in "If This Goes On...".The Cabal was the Freemasons, but the Mormons were mentioned there
as well, as the "pariahs".
There's certainly some aspects of southern fundamentalist traditions
in the depiction of the Fosterites, as well as some level of
showmanship. I'm not sure how widespread TV evangelism was
in the 1950s.
As far as Mike is concerned, there were indications that he may
have been an incarnation of an Archangel.
On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 20:44:46 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
There's certainly some aspects of southern fundamentalist traditions
in the depiction of the Fosterites, as well as some level of
showmanship. I'm not sure how widespread TV evangelism was
in the 1950s.
As far as Mike is concerned, there were indications that he may
have been an incarnation of an Archangel.
It's an obvious play on words isn't it?
There's certainly some aspects of southern fundamentalist traditions
in the depiction of the Fosterites, as well as some level of
showmanship. I'm not sure how widespread TV evangelism was
in the 1950s.
I'd be interested to know if there was a book written as fiction where a lo= >ng-expected Messiah turned out to be nothing like the spectacular warlord t= >hat had been expected. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented, but it migh= >t be an amusing twist.
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:The rather awkward phrasing of "written as fiction" was specifically intended to exclude the New Testament even from those whose version of evangelism is to parade at every opportunity their view that the New Testament is fiction, typically while going
I'd be interested to know if there was a book written as fiction where a lo=
ng-expected Messiah turned out to be nothing like the spectacular warlord t=
hat had been expected. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented, but it migh=
t be an amusing twist.
Does the New Testament count?
--scott
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Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
I'd be interested to know if there was a book written as fiction where a lo=
ng-expected Messiah turned out to be nothing like the spectacular warlord t=
hat had been expected. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented, but it migh=
t be an amusing twist.
Does the New Testament count?
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 3:14:30?AM UTC+1, Scott Dorsey wrote:out of their way to be culturally accomodating to every other religion and belief system. "It's a Messiah, Jim, but not as we know it" is a staple of many expositions of Christianity, so I'm slightly surprised it hasn't been echoed more in fiction. Even
Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:The rather awkward phrasing of "written as fiction" was specifically intended to exclude the New Testament even from those whose version of evangelism is to parade at every opportunity their view that the New Testament is fiction, typically while going
I'd be interested to know if there was a book written as fiction where a lo=
ng-expected Messiah turned out to be nothing like the spectacular warlord t=
hat had been expected. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented, but it migh=
t be an amusing twist.
Does the New Testament count?
--scott
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On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:19:54 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> writes:The Cabal was the Freemasons, but the Mormons were mentioned there
The Mormons? I thought that the target was televangelists. I seem to
recall RAH (or his narrator) speaking favorably of the Mormons in
"If This Goes On ..."
IIRC, it was the Freemasons in "If This Goes On...".
as well, as the "pariahs".
A big chunk of Mormon temple ceremony is 'borrowed' from the Freemasons, though given different meanings, so the confusion is understandable.
But yes, the Cabal is definitely the Masons with the labels filed off.
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