• "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson

    From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 15:16:31 2023
    "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson
    https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/

    Book number one of a five book military science fiction paranormal
    series. I reread the well printed and well bound MMPB published by Ace
    in 2011 that I just rebought new from Amazon. This is my third or
    fourth reading of the book and series. I have ordered two more of the
    books in the series, one new and one used since the third book is now
    out of print.

    Ia is a heavyworlder, born and raised on the independent colonyworld
    Santuary, a 3.2 gravity newly colonized planet in the year 2472. At 15
    years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive
    and telekinetic abilities. Being one of the strongest precognitives
    ever known, she watched the invasion of the Milky Way galaxy by an
    overwhelming force who proceeded to kill everyone and everything in the
    galaxy.

    Ia traveled the 700 light years to old Earth and joined the Terran
    United Space Force Marine Corps on her 18th birthday. At one hour per
    light year, the trip took over four weeks and allowed her to finish
    making her 300 year plan to restructure the two billion person strong
    military forces of the Terran United Space Force to fight off the future invaders.

    Here is my 2011 review: "OK, totally cool book about a 15 year old girl
    waking up one day on her heavy grav (3.2g!) planet with visions of
    galaxy invaders 300 years in the future. Ia joins the Terran Marine
    Corps so she can change the future. She becomes known as Bloody Mary in
    the Corps fighting space pirates and weird alien species."

    The author has a website at:
    https://jeanjohnson.net/

    My rating: 5 out of 5 stars (I may add this to my six star list)
    Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (755 reviews)

    Lynn

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sat Aug 19 15:44:36 2023
    On 8/19/2023 3:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson
       https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/

    Book number one of a five book military science fiction paranormal
    series.  I reread the well printed and well bound MMPB published by Ace
    in 2011 that I just rebought new from Amazon.  This is my third or
    fourth reading of the book and series.  I have ordered two more of the
    books in the series, one new and one used since the third book is now
    out of print.

    Ia is a heavyworlder, born and raised on the independent colonyworld Santuary, a 3.2 gravity newly colonized planet in the year 2472.  At 15 years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive
    and telekinetic abilities.  Being one of the strongest precognitives
    ever known, she watched the invasion of the Milky Way galaxy by an overwhelming force who proceeded to kill everyone and everything in the galaxy.

    Ia traveled the 700 light years to old Earth and joined the Terran
    United Space Force Marine Corps on her 18th birthday.  At one hour per
    light year, the trip took over four weeks and allowed her to finish
    making her 300 year plan to restructure the two billion person strong military forces of the Terran United Space Force to fight off the future invaders.

    Here is my 2011 review: "OK, totally cool book about a 15 year old girl waking up one day on her heavy grav (3.2g!) planet with visions of
    galaxy invaders 300 years in the future.  Ia joins the Terran Marine
    Corps so she can change the future.  She becomes known as Bloody Mary in
    the Corps fighting space pirates and weird alien species."

    The author has a website at:
       https://jeanjohnson.net/

    My rating:  5 out of 5 stars (I may add this to my six star list)
    Amazon rating:  4.4 out of 5 stars (755 reviews)

    Lynn

    ^At 15 years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her
    precognitive and telekinetic abilities.^At 15 years of age in 2487, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive and telekinetic abilities.

    Sigh.

    Lynn

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sun Aug 20 03:20:31 2023
    On Saturday, 19 August 2023 at 21:44:44 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/19/2023 3:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson
    https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/

    Book number one of a five book military science fiction paranormal
    series. I reread the well printed and well bound MMPB published by Ace
    in 2011 that I just rebought new from Amazon. This is my third or
    fourth reading of the book and series. I have ordered two more of the books in the series, one new and one used since the third book is now
    out of print.

    Ia is a heavyworlder, born and raised on the independent colonyworld Santuary, a 3.2 gravity newly colonized planet in the year 2472. At 15 years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive
    and telekinetic abilities. Being one of the strongest precognitives
    ever known, she watched the invasion of the Milky Way galaxy by an overwhelming force who proceeded to kill everyone and everything in the galaxy.

    Ia traveled the 700 light years to old Earth and joined the Terran
    United Space Force Marine Corps on her 18th birthday. At one hour per light year, the trip took over four weeks and allowed her to finish
    making her 300 year plan to restructure the two billion person strong military forces of the Terran United Space Force to fight off the future invaders.

    Here is my 2011 review: "OK, totally cool book about a 15 year old girl waking up one day on her heavy grav (3.2g!) planet with visions of
    galaxy invaders 300 years in the future. Ia joins the Terran Marine
    Corps so she can change the future. She becomes known as Bloody Mary in the Corps fighting space pirates and weird alien species."

    The author has a website at:
    https://jeanjohnson.net/

    My rating: 5 out of 5 stars (I may add this to my six star list)
    Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (755 reviews)

    Lynn
    ^At 15 years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her
    precognitive and telekinetic abilities.^At 15 years of age in 2487, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive and telekinetic abilities. Sigh.

    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days. They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor." But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor. And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to rja.carnegie@excite.com on Sun Aug 20 19:29:58 2023
    In article <ca10e58d-510a-46b6-a072-582c8b90ce72n@googlegroups.com>,
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days. They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor." But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor. And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)

    (Hal Heydt)
    Dorothy had some choice words about the cover for "The Interior
    Life." Mostly around portaying a major character riding
    side-saddle in what she described as a white "1950s prom dress"
    where that character rode astride and wore black.

    The cover for "A Point of Honor" was actually very good.
    So...luck of the draw.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Sun Aug 20 16:24:38 2023
    On 8/20/2023 5:20 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Saturday, 19 August 2023 at 21:44:44 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/19/2023 3:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson
    https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/ >>>
    Book number one of a five book military science fiction paranormal
    series. I reread the well printed and well bound MMPB published by Ace
    in 2011 that I just rebought new from Amazon. This is my third or
    fourth reading of the book and series. I have ordered two more of the
    books in the series, one new and one used since the third book is now
    out of print.

    Ia is a heavyworlder, born and raised on the independent colonyworld
    Santuary, a 3.2 gravity newly colonized planet in the year 2472. At 15
    years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive
    and telekinetic abilities. Being one of the strongest precognitives
    ever known, she watched the invasion of the Milky Way galaxy by an
    overwhelming force who proceeded to kill everyone and everything in the
    galaxy.

    Ia traveled the 700 light years to old Earth and joined the Terran
    United Space Force Marine Corps on her 18th birthday. At one hour per
    light year, the trip took over four weeks and allowed her to finish
    making her 300 year plan to restructure the two billion person strong
    military forces of the Terran United Space Force to fight off the future >>> invaders.

    Here is my 2011 review: "OK, totally cool book about a 15 year old girl
    waking up one day on her heavy grav (3.2g!) planet with visions of
    galaxy invaders 300 years in the future. Ia joins the Terran Marine
    Corps so she can change the future. She becomes known as Bloody Mary in >>> the Corps fighting space pirates and weird alien species."

    The author has a website at:
    https://jeanjohnson.net/

    My rating: 5 out of 5 stars (I may add this to my six star list)
    Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (755 reviews)

    Lynn
    ^At 15 years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her
    precognitive and telekinetic abilities.^At 15 years of age in 2487, Ia
    experienced the awakening of her precognitive and telekinetic abilities.
    Sigh.

    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days. They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor." But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor. And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)

    I listed the heavy world planet as Sanctuary but I see that I misspelled
    it.

    Ia is half human, half Ferori, a race that can convert matter (and
    themselves) to energy and back. She is 176 cm (5'9") and 102 kg (225
    lbs). She is muscle bound and built like a junior weight lifter.

    Lynn

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 20 16:26:01 2023
    On 8/20/2023 2:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <ca10e58d-510a-46b6-a072-582c8b90ce72n@googlegroups.com>,
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days. They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor." But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor. And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)

    (Hal Heydt)
    Dorothy had some choice words about the cover for "The Interior
    Life." Mostly around portaying a major character riding
    side-saddle in what she described as a white "1950s prom dress"
    where that character rode astride and wore black.

    The cover for "A Point of Honor" was actually very good.
    So...luck of the draw.

    Some author noted (Pournelle ?) that you were fortunate when the cover
    artist actually read the book before creating the cover.

    Lynn

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sun Aug 20 21:51:25 2023
    In article <ubu0d9$1hudl$2@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/20/2023 2:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <ca10e58d-510a-46b6-a072-582c8b90ce72n@googlegroups.com>,
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days. They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor." But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor. And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)

    (Hal Heydt)
    Dorothy had some choice words about the cover for "The Interior
    Life." Mostly around portaying a major character riding
    side-saddle in what she described as a white "1950s prom dress"
    where that character rode astride and wore black.

    The cover for "A Point of Honor" was actually very good.
    So...luck of the draw.

    Some author noted (Pournelle ?) that you were fortunate when the cover
    artist actually read the book before creating the cover.


    That doesn't stop the Art Director of messing up the cover art (say
    reversing a wrap around, not noticing an asymmetric object).

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Aug 21 00:33:49 2023
    On 8/20/2023 4:24 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/20/2023 5:20 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On Saturday, 19 August 2023 at 21:44:44 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/19/2023 3:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson

    https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/

    Book number one of a five book military science fiction paranormal
    series.  I reread the well printed and well bound MMPB published by Ace >>>> in 2011 that I just rebought new from Amazon.  This is my third or
    fourth reading of the book and series.  I have ordered two more of the >>>> books in the series, one new and one used since the third book is now
    out of print.

    Ia is a heavyworlder, born and raised on the independent colonyworld
    Santuary, a 3.2 gravity newly colonized planet in the year 2472.  At 15 >>>> years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive >>>> and telekinetic abilities.  Being one of the strongest precognitives
    ever known, she watched the invasion of the Milky Way galaxy by an
    overwhelming force who proceeded to kill everyone and everything in the >>>> galaxy.

    Ia traveled the 700 light years to old Earth and joined the Terran
    United Space Force Marine Corps on her 18th birthday.  At one hour per >>>> light year, the trip took over four weeks and allowed her to finish
    making her 300 year plan to restructure the two billion person strong
    military forces of the Terran United Space Force to fight off the
    future
    invaders.

    Here is my 2011 review: "OK, totally cool book about a 15 year old girl >>>> waking up one day on her heavy grav (3.2g!) planet with visions of
    galaxy invaders 300 years in the future.  Ia joins the Terran Marine
    Corps so she can change the future.  She becomes known as Bloody
    Mary in
    the Corps fighting space pirates and weird alien species."

    The author has a website at:
        https://jeanjohnson.net/

    My rating:  5 out of 5 stars (I may add this to my six star list)
    Amazon rating:  4.4 out of 5 stars (755 reviews)

    Lynn
    ^At 15 years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her
    precognitive and telekinetic abilities.^At 15 years of age in 2487, Ia
    experienced the awakening of her precognitive and telekinetic abilities. >>> Sigh.

    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days.  They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor."  But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor.  And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)

    I listed the heavy world planet as Sanctuary but I see that I misspelled
    it.

    Ia is half human, half Ferori, a race that can convert matter (and themselves) to energy and back.  She is 176 cm (5'9") and 102 kg (225 lbs).  She is muscle bound and built like a junior weight lifter.

    Lynn

    I should state that the cover is not that far wrong for a person with
    extremely dense bones like Ia.

    Lynn

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 20 22:41:12 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:41:21 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <ca10e58d-510a-46b6...@googlegroups.com>,
    Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days. They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor." But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor. And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)
    (Hal Heydt)
    Dorothy had some choice words about the cover for "The Interior
    Life." Mostly around portaying a major character riding
    side-saddle in what she described as a white "1950s prom dress"
    where that character rode astride and wore black.

    The cover for "A Point of Honor" was actually very good.
    So...luck of the draw.

    As I recall from his postings in the mailing list I was on in the 90s Raymond E.Feist's Prince of the Blood had a scene added to mesh with the cover picture (vague recollection is Borric losing his gear gambling and finishing up in a purple robe)

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sun Aug 20 22:48:54 2023
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:16:39 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/

    Book number one of a five book military science fiction paranormal
    series. I reread the well printed and well bound MMPB published by Ace
    in 2011 that I just rebought new from Amazon. This is my third or
    fourth reading of the book and series. I have ordered two more of the
    books in the series, one new and one used since the third book is now
    out of print.

    Ia is a heavyworlder, born and raised on the independent colonyworld Santuary, a 3.2 gravity newly colonized planet in the year 2472. At 15
    years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive
    and telekinetic abilities. Being one of the strongest precognitives
    ever known, she watched the invasion of the Milky Way galaxy by an overwhelming force who proceeded to kill everyone and everything in the galaxy.

    Ia traveled the 700 light years to old Earth and joined the Terran
    United Space Force Marine Corps on her 18th birthday. At one hour per
    light year, the trip took over four weeks and allowed her to finish
    making her 300 year plan to restructure the two billion person strong military forces of the Terran United Space Force to fight off the future invaders.

    Here is my 2011 review: "OK, totally cool book about a 15 year old girl waking up one day on her heavy grav (3.2g!) planet with visions of
    galaxy invaders 300 years in the future. Ia joins the Terran Marine
    Corps so she can change the future. She becomes known as Bloody Mary in
    the Corps fighting space pirates and weird alien species."

    The author has a website at:
    https://jeanjohnson.net/

    My rating: 5 out of 5 stars (I may add this to my six star list)
    Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (755 reviews)

    I read the series quite a while back, my take on it was significantly less positive than Lynn's
    I thought the writing was decent but
    - irrideemingly evil telepathic race that enjoys eating intelligent people alive because they enjoy telepathically feeling the pain
    - the huge power level of the main character through the series means that there's very little tension in the series, when you have a precog who can use their abilities to map out a 300 year campaign even if the stakes are high (extinction or reduction
    to snack food of all other intelligent lifeforms in the galaxy) it's really like a high stakes poker game where you're dealt a royal flush
    Very little goes wrong for the hero and when it does it's quickly worked around

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Aug 21 08:15:15 2023
    On 8/19/2023 1:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "A Soldier's Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why Book 1)" by Jean Johnson
       https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/

    Book number one of a five book military science fiction paranormal
    series.  I reread the well printed and well bound MMPB published by Ace
    in 2011 that I just rebought new from Amazon.  This is my third or
    fourth reading of the book and series.  I have ordered two more of the
    books in the series, one new and one used since the third book is now
    out of print.

    Ia is a heavyworlder, born and raised on the independent colonyworld Santuary, a 3.2 gravity newly colonized planet in the year 2472.  At 15 years of age in 2787, Ia experienced the awakening of her precognitive
    and telekinetic abilities.  Being one of the strongest precognitives
    ever known, she watched the invasion of the Milky Way galaxy by an overwhelming force who proceeded to kill everyone and everything in the galaxy.

    Ia traveled the 700 light years to old Earth and joined the Terran
    United Space Force Marine Corps on her 18th birthday.  At one hour per
    light year, the trip took over four weeks and allowed her to finish
    making her 300 year plan to restructure the two billion person strong military forces of the Terran United Space Force to fight off the future invaders.

    Here is my 2011 review: "OK, totally cool book about a 15 year old girl waking up one day on her heavy grav (3.2g!) planet with visions of
    galaxy invaders 300 years in the future.  Ia joins the Terran Marine
    Corps so she can change the future.  She becomes known as Bloody Mary in
    the Corps fighting space pirates and weird alien species."

    The author has a website at:
       https://jeanjohnson.net/

    My rating:  5 out of 5 stars (I may add this to my six star list)
    Amazon rating:  4.4 out of 5 stars (755 reviews)

    I read this series a few years ago. IMO a slightly above average mil-SF series. A lot of God power wish fulfillment/Mary Sue competently done
    but nothing outstanding.


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Mon Aug 21 08:58:28 2023
    On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:26:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/20/2023 2:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <ca10e58d-510a-46b6-a072-582c8b90ce72n@googlegroups.com>,
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
    And I think the planet is called Sanctuary, and
    heavyworld humans didn't look just like the lady
    on the cover in the Sci fi old days. They were...
    heavier.

    Well, she has telekinetic abilities.

    Should I trot out again the bit from Jack Campbell's
    "The Lost Fleet" series where someone warns
    Captain Geary about his expected biography, like,
    "The cover will be you posing heroically on a
    battlefield in your power armor." But he's a
    spaceship driver and he doesn't even own
    power armor. And yet, the book covers...

    (His British covers portray spaceships that are
    rarely similar to the ones in these stories.)

    (Hal Heydt)
    Dorothy had some choice words about the cover for "The Interior
    Life." Mostly around portaying a major character riding
    side-saddle in what she described as a white "1950s prom dress"
    where that character rode astride and wore black.

    The cover for "A Point of Honor" was actually very good.
    So...luck of the draw.

    Some author noted (Pournelle ?) that you were fortunate when the cover >artist actually read the book before creating the cover.

    But wouldn't that be considered "cheating"?
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Aug 21 18:00:57 2023
    On 2023-08-20, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Some author noted (Pournelle ?) that you were fortunate when the cover
    artist actually read the book before creating the cover.

    Given that many cover artists clearly haven't read the text, and books
    are only rarely written to an existing cover[1], how does the process
    work? The editor passes some notes to the cover artist?


    [1] Some of the paperback sequels to the German _Terranauten_ pulp
    series feature scenes that very well match their covers, which
    happen to be pre-existing art by American cover artists. What
    conclusion should I draw?
    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Jack Bohn@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Tue Aug 22 06:18:19 2023
    Christian Weisgerber wrote:
    On 2023-08-20, Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Some author noted (Pournelle ?) that you were fortunate when the cover artist actually read the book before creating the cover.

    Given that many cover artists clearly haven't read the text, and books
    are only rarely written to an existing cover[1], how does the process
    work? The editor passes some notes to the cover artist?

    The editor or the art director, if the company has one. As the cover can be viewed not as an aesthetic part of the book, but as advertising for it, there may be input from marketing, but probably in the form of notes to the editor.

    [1] Some of the paperback sequels to the German _Terranauten_ pulp
    series feature scenes that very well match their covers, which
    happen to be pre-existing art by American cover artists. What
    conclusion should I draw?

    Many sf artists are junkies themselves, might read the manuscript if left alone for a moment with it.
    Professionals seemed to affect a distance from their material, such as Heinlein's anecdote about a pulp writer who sold stories of every type except those dealing with subjects he actually knew.

    (This is coming from a fan of the Terran Trade Authority -- books built from a sf history built around various paperback covers, who has then seen these covers reused on books they didn't quite fit, and on their original books, which sometimes they
    surprisingly fit.)

    --
    -Jack

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to jack.bohn64@gmail.com on Tue Aug 22 09:14:42 2023
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 06:18:19 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
    <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

    Christian Weisgerber wrote:
    On 2023-08-20, Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Some author noted (Pournelle ?) that you were fortunate when the cover
    artist actually read the book before creating the cover.

    Given that many cover artists clearly haven't read the text, and books
    are only rarely written to an existing cover[1], how does the process
    work? The editor passes some notes to the cover artist?

    The editor or the art director, if the company has one. As the cover can be viewed not as an aesthetic part of the book, but as advertising for it, there may be input from marketing, but probably in the form of notes to the editor.

    Exactly. Whatever makes the book jump from the shelf into the hands of
    the purchaser.

    [1] Some of the paperback sequels to the German _Terranauten_ pulp
    series feature scenes that very well match their covers, which
    happen to be pre-existing art by American cover artists. What
    conclusion should I draw?

    Many sf artists are junkies themselves, might read the manuscript if left alone for a moment with it.
    Professionals seemed to affect a distance from their material, such as Heinlein's anecdote about a pulp writer who sold stories of every type except those dealing with subjects he actually knew.

    (This is coming from a fan of the Terran Trade Authority -- books built from a sf history built around various paperback covers, who has then seen these covers reused on books they didn't quite fit, and on their original books, which sometimes they
    surprisingly fit.)
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Tue Aug 22 11:27:12 2023
    On 8/22/2023 9:14 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 06:18:19 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
    <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

    Christian Weisgerber wrote:
    On 2023-08-20, Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Some author noted (Pournelle ?) that you were fortunate when the cover >>>> artist actually read the book before creating the cover.

    Given that many cover artists clearly haven't read the text, and books
    are only rarely written to an existing cover[1], how does the process
    work? The editor passes some notes to the cover artist?

    The editor or the art director, if the company has one. As the cover can be viewed not as an aesthetic part of the book, but as advertising for it, there may be input from marketing, but probably in the form of notes to the editor.

    Exactly. Whatever makes the book jump from the shelf into the hands of
    the purchaser.

    Spring load the books onto the shelves.

    [1] Some of the paperback sequels to the German _Terranauten_ pulp
    series feature scenes that very well match their covers, which
    happen to be pre-existing art by American cover artists. What
    conclusion should I draw?

    Many sf artists are junkies themselves, might read the manuscript if left alone for a moment with it.
    Professionals seemed to affect a distance from their material, such as Heinlein's anecdote about a pulp writer who sold stories of every type except those dealing with subjects he actually knew.

    (This is coming from a fan of the Terran Trade Authority -- books built from a sf history built around various paperback covers, who has then seen these covers reused on books they didn't quite fit, and on their original books, which sometimes they
    surprisingly fit.)

    I have most, if not all, of those from "back in the day".

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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