• Here Come The Silver Eggheads

    From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 03:13:56 2023
    From an interesting blog post about the current writers strike (which
    explains the issues very clearly), comes this part about AI:

    https://thecontinentalcongress.substack.com/p/and-the-strike-dragged-on

    The confusion over the WGA A.I. fight is best described by
    a question I got on Twitter... "is the WGA actually worried
    that they will be replaced by A.I.?"

    The answer is... sort of.

    And whether or not you agree depends on whether you think
    it's a short-term problem or a long-term one.

    In the short-term, I believe the answer is no, with a but.

    There is some concern in the short-term that some of the
    writing steps that are currently done by humans, and which
    generate significant fees, could be taken over by A.I.

    Imagine a long-running formulaic show like a police procedural
    that has been airing 22 episodes every season for ten years.
    It is possible that for a show like this, the Network might
    be able to put all of the previous episodes into an AI
    program and ask the system to generate new scripts featuring
    ripped from the front page crime stories. And then even if
    the scripts are bad, a room with just a couple of human
    writers in it could revise those scripts and get them into
    production shape without the need for a full-sized room of
    ten or more writers.

    There are similar fears on the feature film side.

    Remember when I pointed out that the treatment step has
    become a rarity in feature writer deals? Well, there is a
    concern that A.I. could make them disappear completely. The
    idea is that Studios could feed basic prompts into a machine
    and produce a treatment that hits all the basic plot and
    characters points of the movie they want to make, even if
    the resulting document would feature none of the artistry
    typically associated with screenwriting.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 8 22:59:36 2023
    On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 1:14:02 PM UTC+10, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    From an interesting blog post about the current writers strike (which explains the issues very clearly), comes this part about AI:

    https://thecontinentalcongress.substack.com/p/and-the-strike-dragged-on

    The confusion over the WGA A.I. fight is best described by
    a question I got on Twitter... "is the WGA actually worried
    that they will be replaced by A.I.?"

    The answer is... sort of.

    And whether or not you agree depends on whether you think
    it's a short-term problem or a long-term one.

    In the short-term, I believe the answer is no, with a but.

    There is some concern in the short-term that some of the
    writing steps that are currently done by humans, and which
    generate significant fees, could be taken over by A.I.

    Imagine a long-running formulaic show like a police procedural
    that has been airing 22 episodes every season for ten years.
    It is possible that for a show like this, the Network might
    be able to put all of the previous episodes into an AI
    program and ask the system to generate new scripts featuring
    ripped from the front page crime stories. And then even if
    the scripts are bad, a room with just a couple of human
    writers in it could revise those scripts and get them into
    production shape without the need for a full-sized room of
    ten or more writers.

    There are similar fears on the feature film side.

    Remember when I pointed out that the treatment step has
    become a rarity in feature writer deals? Well, there is a
    concern that A.I. could make them disappear completely. The
    idea is that Studios could feed basic prompts into a machine
    and produce a treatment that hits all the basic plot and
    characters points of the movie they want to make, even if
    the resulting document would feature none of the artistry
    typically associated with screenwriting.

    There's also the point that management doesn't always have a good idea of what's technologically possible.
    If management thinks that they can use AI to do something they may well sack people and try and do it that way even if it's not really practical
    and if it means people are out of the roles for 6 months and you've got a serious loss of development productivity happening it's bad for the writers and, longer term, the studios

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 08:28:33 2023
    On 9 Aug 2023 03:13:56 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
    wrote:


    From an interesting blog post about the current writers strike (which >explains the issues very clearly), comes this part about AI:

    https://thecontinentalcongress.substack.com/p/and-the-strike-dragged-on

    The confusion over the WGA A.I. fight is best described by
    a question I got on Twitter... "is the WGA actually worried
    that they will be replaced by A.I.?"

    The answer is... sort of.

    And whether or not you agree depends on whether you think
    it's a short-term problem or a long-term one.

    In the short-term, I believe the answer is no, with a but.

    There is some concern in the short-term that some of the
    writing steps that are currently done by humans, and which
    generate significant fees, could be taken over by A.I.

    Imagine a long-running formulaic show like a police procedural
    that has been airing 22 episodes every season for ten years.
    It is possible that for a show like this, the Network might
    be able to put all of the previous episodes into an AI
    program and ask the system to generate new scripts featuring
    ripped from the front page crime stories. And then even if
    the scripts are bad, a room with just a couple of human
    writers in it could revise those scripts and get them into
    production shape without the need for a full-sized room of
    ten or more writers.

    There are similar fears on the feature film side.

    Remember when I pointed out that the treatment step has
    become a rarity in feature writer deals? Well, there is a
    concern that A.I. could make them disappear completely. The
    idea is that Studios could feed basic prompts into a machine
    and produce a treatment that hits all the basic plot and
    characters points of the movie they want to make, even if
    the resulting document would feature none of the artistry
    typically associated with screenwriting.

    Sounds like something the buggy-whip makers might have come up with
    (with appropriate alterations) when the automobile began being a
    serious threat to equine transportation.

    But just keep trying to hold back progress (or, at least, change),
    guys. It's never worked in the long run before, but don't let that
    stop you.

    And I thought the whole "threat to education" was based on the idea
    that the AIs could generate text as well as students could.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 09:56:00 2023
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:14:02 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    From an interesting blog post about the current writers strike (which explains the issues very clearly), comes this part about AI:

    https://thecontinentalcongress.substack.com/p/and-the-strike-dragged-on

    The confusion over the WGA A.I. fight is best described by
    a question I got on Twitter... "is the WGA actually worried
    that they will be replaced by A.I.?" [snip]

    IIRC, a few LitRPG/Progression fantasy authors have mentioned
    toying with ChatGPT with limited (but non-zero) success.

    At the moment AI seems to be a bigger concern for indie artists
    specializing in covers for SF books.

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 9 12:12:02 2023
    On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 04:14:02 UTC+1, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    From an interesting blog post about the current writers strike (which explains the issues very clearly), comes this part about AI:

    https://thecontinentalcongress.substack.com/p/and-the-strike-dragged-on

    The confusion over the WGA A.I. fight is best described by
    a question I got on Twitter... "is the WGA actually worried
    that they will be replaced by A.I.?"

    The answer is... sort of.

    And whether or not you agree depends on whether you think
    it's a short-term problem or a long-term one.

    In the short-term, I believe the answer is no, with a but.

    There is some concern in the short-term that some of the
    writing steps that are currently done by humans, and which
    generate significant fees, could be taken over by A.I.

    Imagine a long-running formulaic show like a police procedural
    that has been airing 22 episodes every season for ten years.
    It is possible that for a show like this, the Network might
    be able to put all of the previous episodes into an AI
    program and ask the system to generate new scripts featuring
    ripped from the front page crime stories. And then even if
    the scripts are bad, a room with just a couple of human
    writers in it could revise those scripts and get them into
    production shape without the need for a full-sized room of
    ten or more writers.

    Except for the previous script writers for ten
    years whose work is being recycled.

    Another approach is to throw the original
    Sherlock Holmes stories into the story slicer.
    Those are out of copyright.

    Perhaps I should be responding on the blog
    that the interesting thoughts came from.

    There are similar fears on the feature film side.

    Remember when I pointed out that the treatment step has
    become a rarity in feature writer deals? Well, there is a
    concern that A.I. could make them disappear completely. The
    idea is that Studios could feed basic prompts into a machine
    and produce a treatment that hits all the basic plot and
    characters points of the movie they want to make, even if
    the resulting document would feature none of the artistry
    typically associated with screenwriting.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Wed Aug 9 21:45:35 2023
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:28:39 AM UTC+10, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 9 Aug 2023 03:13:56 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:

    From an interesting blog post about the current writers strike (which >explains the issues very clearly), comes this part about AI:

    https://thecontinentalcongress.substack.com/p/and-the-strike-dragged-on

    The confusion over the WGA A.I. fight is best described by
    a question I got on Twitter... "is the WGA actually worried
    that they will be replaced by A.I.?"

    The answer is... sort of.

    And whether or not you agree depends on whether you think
    it's a short-term problem or a long-term one.

    In the short-term, I believe the answer is no, with a but.

    There is some concern in the short-term that some of the
    writing steps that are currently done by humans, and which
    generate significant fees, could be taken over by A.I.

    Imagine a long-running formulaic show like a police procedural
    that has been airing 22 episodes every season for ten years.
    It is possible that for a show like this, the Network might
    be able to put all of the previous episodes into an AI
    program and ask the system to generate new scripts featuring
    ripped from the front page crime stories. And then even if
    the scripts are bad, a room with just a couple of human
    writers in it could revise those scripts and get them into
    production shape without the need for a full-sized room of
    ten or more writers.

    There are similar fears on the feature film side.

    Remember when I pointed out that the treatment step has
    become a rarity in feature writer deals? Well, there is a
    concern that A.I. could make them disappear completely. The
    idea is that Studios could feed basic prompts into a machine
    and produce a treatment that hits all the basic plot and
    characters points of the movie they want to make, even if
    the resulting document would feature none of the artistry
    typically associated with screenwriting.
    Sounds like something the buggy-whip makers might have come up with
    (with appropriate alterations) when the automobile began being a
    serious threat to equine transportation.

    But just keep trying to hold back progress (or, at least, change),
    guys. It's never worked in the long run before, but don't let that
    stop you.

    Change happens, some types of change are a bad idea and the AI production of art is one of them


    And I thought the whole "threat to education" was based on the idea
    that the AIs could generate text as well as students could.

    No, the threat to the education is that the people producing AI essays don't learn by doing the work to produce the essays

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