• (tor dot com) Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reaso

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 28 15:09:28 2023
    Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reasons)

    Putting the Nicoll into Nicoll Event.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/06/28/five-books-i-will-never-forget-for-highly-specific-reasons/
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  • From Tony Nance@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Wed Jun 28 11:23:32 2023
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:09:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
    Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reasons)

    Putting the Nicoll into Nicoll Event.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/06/28/five-books-i-will-never-forget-for-highly-specific-reasons/


    Spiffy! Under somewhat similar circumstances (though with markedly fewer injuries), and conveyed with somewhat similar prose stylings, here are three of my own:

    Pet Sematary - Stephen King
    Having apparently angered several gods in a previous life, I had a final exam on the last afternoon of the last day of finals week in 7 of my 8 undergrad semesters.[1] Once my last exam was over, I typically had a few hours to wait before my parents
    arrived. With the entire dorm pretty much to myself, this was prime reading time. One particular semester, I took advantage of this opportunity to learn the following: having my back to the open door while reading the creepiest part of Pet Sematary
    served to amplify both my hearing and my imagination. The real-world applications of these phenomena could be astounding! As a scientific exercise only, I assure you, I discovered that turning the chair 180 degrees and leaning a strategically-angled hand
    mirror against the door frame partially stifled the amplified imagination, but not the amplified hearing. Curious. Score two points for Stephen King.

    The Stand - Stephen King
    Again in college, while on a soccer trip between northeastern Ohio and north-central Indiana, I began reading The Stand. On the homeward bound leg, noticing that I would finish this highly engaging book long before we got home — and not having a second
    book to read[2] —I set it down and goofed off with my teammates, knowing I could finish the last 100 pages after our stop for dinner. This brilliant plan was only foiled by the unforeseen, practically unknowable fact that the entire Earth would rotate
    in such a fashion as to remove my only light source while we were eating. To soften the blow, though, my frustration was dampened less than an hour later upon hearing the immortal phrase “What the hell are we doing in Michigan?!”[3]

    Demon Princes - Jack Vance (SFBC omnibus)
    Lastly, in the differently-halcyon days before we had kids, my wife was cruelly forced to attend a week-long conference on the island of Maui. To aid her in coping with this utter unfairness, I nobly volunteered to keep her company, even knowing full
    well that I would be left to my own lonely circumstances while she was attending five full days of talks and meetings and myriad other obligations. One way I managed to cope with being alone on this barely civilized island was to bring a stack of books
    to read while reclining on a shaded beach chair, only occasionally served by drink-bearing resort employees. As a silver lining, this turned out to be an excellent way to remember reading SFBC’s Demon Princes omnibus.[4]

    Tony

    [1] I admit that this helped me get stronger, since I was able to help every single one of my friends haul their stuff to their parents’ cars when they finished their exams.
    [2] Bonus lesson: This trip was also the last time I succumbed to this lack of foresight.
    [3] For the unfamiliar: Even in the ancient days before GPS, it was known that very few planned routes from Indiana to Ohio happen to go through Michigan.
    [4] I don’t recall any of the other books I had with me on that trip. This is not to say they were forgettable books, just that I don’t specifically associate them with this trip.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 29 02:23:48 2023
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this afternoon sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in
    place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Thu Jun 29 03:47:52 2023
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52 PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this afternoon sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a
    right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    John Savard

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Thu Jun 29 09:17:36 2023
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in
    place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a
    right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides.
    And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Thu Jun 29 17:26:43 2023
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5pscsn3g3697e9o30ek75@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this >afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in
    place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a >>right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides.
    And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before
    attacking people.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Thu Jun 29 17:39:36 2023
    In article <u7kesi$lph$2@reader2.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5pscsn3g3697e9o30ek75@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this >>afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >>>> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a >>>right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides.
    And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before
    attacking people.

    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender identity."
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Thu Jun 29 17:08:27 2023
    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:17:49 AM UTC+10, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a >right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.
    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides.
    And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    Did you ever consider not putting out a theory until you'd heard the facts? Because on the evidence available now it seems like domestic terrorism

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  • From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to tonynance17@gmail.com on Thu Jun 29 22:42:34 2023
    On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

    [3] For the unfamiliar: Even in the ancient days before GPS,
    it was known that very few planned routes from Indiana to Ohio
    happen to go through Michigan.

    On the other hand, my parents' trips from Indiana to Michigan nearly
    always went through Ohio.

    That was because Ohio had nicer rest stops.

    --
    Joy Beeson
    joy beeson at centurylink dot net
    http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 30 08:53:48 2023
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:

    In article <u7kesi$lph$2@reader2.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5pscsn3g3697e9o30ek75@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this >>>afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at >>>>> UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of >>>>> charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >>>>> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a >>>>philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a >>>>right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides. >>>And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before >>attacking people.

    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender >identity."

    Well, now we know then, don't we.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to hamish.laws@gmail.com on Fri Jun 30 08:55:32 2023
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Hamish Laws
    <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:17:49?AM UTC+10, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >> >> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a
    right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.
    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides.
    And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    Did you ever consider not putting out a theory until you'd heard the facts? >Because on the evidence available now it seems like domestic terrorism

    1. I /never/ let waiting for the facts interfere with a good theory.
    That spoils the fun.

    2. As I noted otherpost, now we know.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Fri Jun 30 11:19:02 2023
    On 6/30/2023 8:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:

    In article <u7kesi$lph$2@reader2.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5pscsn3g3697e9o30ek75@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote: >>>>>> In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this
    afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at >>>>>> UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of >>>>>> charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >>>>>> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a
    right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides. >>>> And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before
    attacking people.

    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender >> identity."

    Well, now we know then, don't we.

    One of the problems with news reports these days is too much emphasis
    and "FIRST!" with anything rather than "Full Story". (Or even "We
    Checked That This Really Happened".)

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From BCFD36@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Fri Jun 30 11:44:13 2023
    On 6/28/23 11:23, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:09:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
    Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reasons)

    Putting the Nicoll into Nicoll Event.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/06/28/five-books-i-will-never-forget-for-highly-specific-reasons/


    Spiffy! Under somewhat similar circumstances (though with markedly fewer injuries), and conveyed with somewhat similar prose stylings, here are three of my own:


    [stuff deleted]

    No injuries involved, and not even SF, but still memorable for me.

    I high school we were assigned Catcher in the Rye. I believe I have
    mentioned this before. I hated it. The paper I had to write made it
    clear that I hated it and how much I disliked the protagonist. Brother
    ??? (Brothers of Holy Cross, the same guys that teach at Notre Dame)
    said I shouldn't get so emotionally involved with the books.

    My dad picked it up and read it (which was surprising since he wasn't a
    big reader and tended towards things like Updike's "Couples" and Rabbit
    Books, "Coffee, Tea, or Me", and "Fear of Flying") after which he threw
    it across the room. He DID like Heinlein's Friday, which I threw across
    the room.

    --
    Dave Scruggs
    Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Fri Jun 30 19:09:54 2023
    In article <u7n6al$2jto6$3@dont-email.me>,
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 6/30/2023 8:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:

    In article <u7kesi$lph$2@reader2.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5pscsn3g3697e9o30ek75@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote: >>>>>>> In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this >>>>> afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at >>>>>>> UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of >>>>>>> charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >>>>>>> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a
    right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides. >>>>> And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before
    attacking people.

    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender >>> identity."

    Well, now we know then, don't we.

    One of the problems with news reports these days is too much emphasis
    and "FIRST!" with anything rather than "Full Story". (Or even "We
    Checked That This Really Happened".)

    This seemed like an if you hear hoofbeats, expect a horse, not a zebra situation. He checked to see if it was the gender studies course and
    then attacked, so it seemed likely his derangement somehow involved
    what the course was about.

    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 30 15:42:39 2023
    On 6/30/2023 1:44 PM, BCFD36 wrote:
    On 6/28/23 11:23, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:09:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
    Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reasons)

    Putting the Nicoll into Nicoll Event.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/06/28/five-books-i-will-never-forget-for-highly-specific-reasons/


    Spiffy! Under somewhat similar circumstances (though with markedly
    fewer injuries), and conveyed with somewhat similar prose stylings,
    here are three of my own:


    [stuff deleted]

    No injuries involved, and not even SF, but still memorable for me.

    I high school we were assigned Catcher in the Rye. I believe I have
    mentioned this before. I hated it. The paper I had to write made it
    clear that I hated it and how much I disliked the protagonist. Brother
    ??? (Brothers of Holy Cross, the same guys that teach at Notre Dame)
    said I shouldn't get so emotionally involved with the books.

    My dad picked it up and read it (which was surprising since he wasn't a
    big reader and tended towards things like Updike's "Couples" and Rabbit Books, "Coffee, Tea, or Me", and "Fear of Flying") after which he threw
    it across the room. He DID like Heinlein's Friday, which I threw across
    the room.

    I just reread Friday and loved it all over again. I am planning on
    rereads of TEFL, TNOTB, and IWFNE soon. I also have "The Pursuit of the Pankera" and "Glory Road" in my SBR.

    Lynn

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sat Jul 1 08:02:07 2023
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 9:09:33 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reasons)

    Putting the Nicoll into Nicoll Event.

    Clearly, you lead an exciting and dangerous life!

    John Savard

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sat Jul 1 11:01:32 2023
    On Thursday, 29 June 2023 at 18:26:47 UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5psc...@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this >afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >>> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    There's the Star Trek _Kobayashi Maru_ book where
    cast members recall confronting Starfleet Academy's
    no-win-scenario-so-now-what test of character.
    Chekov's version - he ordered self-destruct* in the
    exercise - mainly deals with a follow-up of putting
    the class on an old asteroid station where in my
    memory, the exercise challenge is to not be got by
    the secret serial killer (not literally killing people,
    it's a game). In the book in my head, Chekov "kills"
    first each classmate that he suspects of being
    the killer, and finally everybody by using a grenade
    or something, and claims a "posthumous" win.
    But there isn't a secret serial killer.

    Apparently the best way to run the exercise was
    that of Cadet James Kirk, If not James Nicoll, who
    got classmates to work in teams watching each other
    for secret serial killer behaviour. Visiting the world
    you experience does stimulate my hazard awareness.

    * I may be muddling some details where I contradict <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kobayashi_Maru_(Star_Trek_novel)>

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a >>right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides.
    And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before
    attacking people.

    Conceivably sexual jealousy could be directed there?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to rja.carnegie@excite.com on Sun Jul 2 08:34:47 2023
    On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 11:01:32 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 29 June 2023 at 18:26:47 UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5psc...@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
    In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this
    afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at
    UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of
    charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >> >>> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    There's the Star Trek _Kobayashi Maru_ book where
    cast members recall confronting Starfleet Academy's >no-win-scenario-so-now-what test of character.
    Chekov's version - he ordered self-destruct* in the
    exercise - mainly deals with a follow-up of putting
    the class on an old asteroid station where in my
    memory, the exercise challenge is to not be got by
    the secret serial killer (not literally killing people,
    it's a game). In the book in my head, Chekov "kills"
    first each classmate that he suspects of being
    the killer, and finally everybody by using a grenade
    or something, and claims a "posthumous" win.
    But there isn't a secret serial killer.

    Apparently the best way to run the exercise was
    that of Cadet James Kirk, If not James Nicoll, who
    got classmates to work in teams watching each other
    for secret serial killer behaviour. Visiting the world
    you experience does stimulate my hazard awareness.

    * I may be muddling some details where I contradict ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kobayashi_Maru_(Star_Trek_novel)>

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a
    right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides.
    And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before
    attacking people.

    Conceivably sexual jealousy could be directed there?

    Be careful here!

    I suggested that sort of thing (that this might be one leg of a love
    triangle removing the other two legs) and got whined out for "not
    checking the facts". Which, of course, presupposes that "the facts"
    were out there when I did my response.

    Just as "mass killing" only applies to firearms and needs only two
    victims, so any such /must/ be some form of terrorism. The minor
    detail that people still kill people for purely personal and tawdry
    reasons is unacceptable.

    I mean, it's not as if we were dealing with college students here, who
    are still young enough to take sexual competition seriously.

    Oh, wait: we are.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sun Jul 2 09:58:05 2023
    On 7/2/2023 8:34 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 11:01:32 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, 29 June 2023 at 18:26:47 UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <7ibr9ip7n94aq5psc...@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 03:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:23:52?PM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote: >>>>>> In a thematically appropriate development, I spent a chunk of this
    afternoon
    sheltering place from what seems to have been a terrorist attack at >>>>>> UWaterloo. Didn't have any book to read, though. My Kobo was out of >>>>>> charge.

    Among things I would do differently, next time I plan not to shelter in >>>>>> place with the guy from whom we were sheltering in place.

    There's the Star Trek _Kobayashi Maru_ book where
    cast members recall confronting Starfleet Academy's
    no-win-scenario-so-now-what test of character.
    Chekov's version - he ordered self-destruct* in the
    exercise - mainly deals with a follow-up of putting
    the class on an old asteroid station where in my
    memory, the exercise challenge is to not be got by
    the secret serial killer (not literally killing people,
    it's a game). In the book in my head, Chekov "kills"
    first each classmate that he suspects of being
    the killer, and finally everybody by using a grenade
    or something, and claims a "posthumous" win.
    But there isn't a secret serial killer.

    Apparently the best way to run the exercise was
    that of Cadet James Kirk, If not James Nicoll, who
    got classmates to work in teams watching each other
    for secret serial killer behaviour. Visiting the world
    you experience does stimulate my hazard awareness.

    * I may be muddling some details where I contradict
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kobayashi_Maru_(Star_Trek_novel)>

    I looked up the news item. The incident appears to have happened
    at Hagey Hall; a professor and two students were stabbed in a
    philosophy class on gender studies. The information in the news
    item is incomplete; it could have been domestic terrorism, from a
    right-wing extremist, or simply violence from someone suffering
    from mental illness.

    Or an old-fashioned love triangle being dissolved by one of its sides. >>>> And, no, that is not "domestic terrorism". Just tawdry crime.

    He took the time to verify it was the gender studies course before
    attacking people.

    Conceivably sexual jealousy could be directed there?

    Be careful here!

    I suggested that sort of thing (that this might be one leg of a love
    triangle removing the other two legs) and got whined out for "not
    checking the facts". Which, of course, presupposes that "the facts"
    were out there when I did my response.

    Just as "mass killing" only applies to firearms and needs only two
    victims, so any such /must/ be some form of terrorism. The minor
    detail that people still kill people for purely personal and tawdry
    reasons is unacceptable.

    I mean, it's not as if we were dealing with college students here, who
    are still young enough to take sexual competition seriously.

    Oh, wait: we are.

    Be careful here! You are applying facts, reality and common sense to
    the situation! :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony Nance@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Mon Jul 3 11:49:48 2023
    On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:42:39 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:
    On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:

    [3] For the unfamiliar: Even in the ancient days before GPS,
    it was known that very few planned routes from Indiana to Ohio
    happen to go through Michigan.
    On the other hand, my parents' trips from Indiana to Michigan nearly
    always went through Ohio.

    That was because Ohio had nicer rest stops.


    Oh - interesting! Perhaps using I-75 as a main conduit
    into Michigan? We've noticed on our numerous driving
    trips that Ohio seems to do pretty well on the rest stop
    thing - better signage & info, and (mostly) pretty good
    facilities.

    And just fyi, New Jersey is the worst, including having
    "no facilities" at their rest stops, usually not mentioned
    except in small print on the sign as you're about to pull in.
    Bleah.

    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony Nance@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 11:52:39 2023
    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:44:18 PM UTC-4, BCFD36 wrote:
    On 6/28/23 11:23, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:09:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
    Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reasons)

    Putting the Nicoll into Nicoll Event.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/06/28/five-books-i-will-never-forget-for-highly-specific-reasons/


    Spiffy! Under somewhat similar circumstances (though with markedly fewer injuries), and conveyed with somewhat similar prose stylings, here are three of my own:

    [stuff deleted]

    No injuries involved, and not even SF, but still memorable for me.

    I high school we were assigned Catcher in the Rye. I believe I have mentioned this before. I hated it. The paper I had to write made it
    clear that I hated it and how much I disliked the protagonist. Brother
    ??? (Brothers of Holy Cross, the same guys that teach at Notre Dame)
    said I shouldn't get so emotionally involved with the books.


    Under similarly assigned circumstances, I could not get into it.
    One of my friends adores this book, but upon a later (attempt
    at a) re-read, I still could not get into it. Maybe it's one of those
    "certain time and place in your life" books, and we weren't in
    the time or place.

    Tony

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Mon Jul 3 19:36:17 2023
    In article <h263aipjpe66l7igmc95j11ct1us1see8a@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    Just as "mass killing" only applies to firearms and needs only two
    victims, so any such /must/ be some form of terrorism. The minor
    detail that people still kill people for purely personal and tawdry
    reasons is unacceptable.

    (Hal Heydt)
    It's a very minor nitpick, but to far as I am aware, to be a
    "mass casualty event" there have to be at least 4 people hurt or
    killed. I don't think firearms are *required* with the
    definition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Mon Jul 3 19:37:59 2023
    In article <skut9idtogo2t7rd85jro891aidp3bjqe0@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    1. I /never/ let waiting for the facts interfere with a good theory.
    That spoils the fun.

    (Hal Heydt)
    Being a pedant outside my field of experise here, but without
    facts it's a hypothesis, not a theory.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BCFD36@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Mon Jul 3 16:58:45 2023
    On 7/3/23 11:52, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:44:18 PM UTC-4, BCFD36 wrote:
    On 6/28/23 11:23, Tony Nance wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:09:33 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote: >>>> Five Books I Will Never Forget (For Highly Specific Reasons)

    Putting the Nicoll into Nicoll Event.

    https://www.tor.com/2023/06/28/five-books-i-will-never-forget-for-highly-specific-reasons/


    Spiffy! Under somewhat similar circumstances (though with markedly fewer injuries), and conveyed with somewhat similar prose stylings, here are three of my own:

    [stuff deleted]

    No injuries involved, and not even SF, but still memorable for me.

    I high school we were assigned Catcher in the Rye. I believe I have
    mentioned this before. I hated it. The paper I had to write made it
    clear that I hated it and how much I disliked the protagonist. Brother
    ??? (Brothers of Holy Cross, the same guys that teach at Notre Dame)
    said I shouldn't get so emotionally involved with the books.


    Under similarly assigned circumstances, I could not get into it.
    One of my friends adores this book, but upon a later (attempt
    at a) re-read, I still could not get into it. Maybe it's one of those "certain time and place in your life" books, and we weren't in
    the time or place.

    Tony
    This is as good an explanation as any.
    --
    Dave Scruggs
    Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Mon Jul 3 22:02:39 2023
    In article <0da82e32-8c1c-4d63-a69f-c50f7e3391a7n@googlegroups.com>,
    Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:42:39?PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:
    On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonyn...@gmail.com> wrote:

    [3] For the unfamiliar: Even in the ancient days before GPS,
    it was known that very few planned routes from Indiana to Ohio
    happen to go through Michigan.
    On the other hand, my parents' trips from Indiana to Michigan nearly
    always went through Ohio.

    That was because Ohio had nicer rest stops.


    Oh - interesting! Perhaps using I-75 as a main conduit
    into Michigan? We've noticed on our numerous driving
    trips that Ohio seems to do pretty well on the rest stop
    thing - better signage & info, and (mostly) pretty good
    facilities.


    BTW, these good rest stops in Ohio are not just on the Interstate
    highways. I remember several on US 30 for example.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 08:29:10 2023
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:37:59 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
    wrote:

    In article <skut9idtogo2t7rd85jro891aidp3bjqe0@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    1. I /never/ let waiting for the facts interfere with a good theory.
    That spoils the fun.

    (Hal Heydt)
    Being a pedant outside my field of experise here, but without
    facts it's a hypothesis, not a theory.

    Fair enough.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to tonynance17@gmail.com on Thu Jul 6 23:00:21 2023
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

    Perhaps using I-75 as a main conduit
    into Michigan?

    When I travelled with my parents, I-75 wasn't even a gleam in
    Eisenhower's eye.


    A rest stop was a place to pull off the road, a picnic table, and an
    optional outhouse. A posh rest stop might have a hand pump.

    --
    Joy Beeson
    joy beeson at centurylink dot net
    http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Fri Jul 7 10:14:11 2023
    On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-4, Tony Nance wrote:

    [snip]

    [3] For the unfamiliar: Even in the ancient days before GPS, it was known that
    very few planned routes from Indiana to Ohio happen to go through Michigan.

    In the 70s I made my first trip to Wisconsin. I wound up staying overnight
    in a motel in Greater South Bend, where the TV announcers informed me
    that I was traversing fabled "Michiana."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiana

    --
    Kevin R
    a.a #2310

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Sat Jul 8 09:08:27 2023
    On 7/6/2023 10:00 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

    Perhaps using I-75 as a main conduit
    into Michigan?

    When I travelled with my parents, I-75 wasn't even a gleam in
    Eisenhower's eye.


    A rest stop was a place to pull off the road, a picnic table, and an
    optional outhouse. A posh rest stop might have a hand pump.


    Still quite a few of those in Texas. Rarely with outhouse though.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 18:40:04 2023
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:

    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender >identity."

    Actually for me the biggest surprise was finding that Waterloo had a 'diversityn + equity' department. Canadians think of Waterloo in much
    the same way as Americans think of MIT and CalTech and for the same
    reasons.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Jul 17 20:04:53 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:
    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender >identity."
    Actually for me the biggest surprise was finding that Waterloo had a 'diversityn + equity' department. Canadians think of Waterloo in much
    the same way as Americans think of MIT and CalTech and for the same
    reasons.

    Actually, nobody I know thinks this.

    William Hyde

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Tue Jul 18 02:29:22 2023
    In article <marbbi5avpnlt6fe0rcfvv311fp0je473v@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:

    And in the world's smallest surprise:
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender >>identity."

    Actually for me the biggest surprise was finding that Waterloo had a >'diversityn + equity' department. Canadians think of Waterloo in much
    the same way as Americans think of MIT and CalTech and for the same
    reasons.

    The STEM side of campus tends to look down on arts and it's not unusual
    for UW veteran staff be unfamiliar with the arts buildings. In particular,
    a lot of people do not know that there's even one theatre, let alone
    three. Two theatres, Humanities and HH180, are in the same building
    so straightening out confusion is a matter of pointing them towards
    the correct entrance off the shared great hall. The other theatre,
    Theatre of the Arts, is three buildings north.

    Parking is closer to Hum than to T of A, so more lost sheep looking
    for T of A show up in Hum than the other way around. We have four
    signs to place outside to direct people but we need more.

    Things I have learned: Some people call all UW theatres "Theatre
    of the Arts" because they are theatres administrated under Arts.

    It can be surprising hard to convey to someone that they are in
    the wrong building and that to see the show they want to see,
    they have to go to the theatre where it is being staged. In one
    case, I had to break it down into distinct elements to get
    someone to understant they needed to walk to the correct
    theatre and that no matter how much they argued with me,
    the show they wanted to see was not going to be moved from
    T of A to Hum. What was really weird about it was I know
    for a fact the patron has acted in both spaces and should
    know one from the other.

    It's not great when the show in T of A and the one in Hum both
    involve speakers with similar names (Clarke vs Clark). A lot
    of very puzzled people who expected to hear a poetry reading
    got a lecture on nuclear waste.

    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Mon Jul 17 20:36:26 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:04:56 PM UTC+10, William Hyde wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:
    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender
    identity."
    Actually for me the biggest surprise was finding that Waterloo had a 'diversityn + equity' department. Canadians think of Waterloo in much
    the same way as Americans think of MIT and CalTech and for the same reasons.
    Actually, nobody I know thinks this.

    Obviously you don't know real canadians...

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Jay E. Morris on Mon Jul 17 22:41:04 2023
    On 7/8/2023 9:08 AM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 7/6/2023 10:00 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

    Perhaps using I-75 as a main conduit
    into Michigan?

    When I travelled with my parents, I-75 wasn't even a gleam in
    Eisenhower's eye.


    A rest stop was a place to pull off the road, a picnic table, and an
    optional outhouse.   A posh rest stop might have a hand pump.


    Still quite a few of those in Texas. Rarely with outhouse though.

    About a quarter of the outhouses have been air conditioned now.

    Lynn

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Hamish Laws on Mon Jul 17 22:12:32 2023
    On 7/17/2023 8:36 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:04:56 PM UTC+10, William Hyde wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:
    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender
    identity."
    Actually for me the biggest surprise was finding that Waterloo had a
    'diversityn + equity' department. Canadians think of Waterloo in much
    the same way as Americans think of MIT and CalTech and for the same
    reasons.
    Actually, nobody I know thinks this.

    Obviously you don't know real canadians...

    No such thing. :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Jul 17 22:13:20 2023
    On 7/17/2023 8:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 7/8/2023 9:08 AM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 7/6/2023 10:00 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

    Perhaps using I-75 as a main conduit
    into Michigan?

    When I travelled with my parents, I-75 wasn't even a gleam in
    Eisenhower's eye.


    A rest stop was a place to pull off the road, a picnic table, and an
    optional outhouse.   A posh rest stop might have a hand pump.


    Still quite a few of those in Texas. Rarely with outhouse though.

    About a quarter of the outhouses have been air conditioned now.

    The first thing that I thought when I read that line was "GAS WARFARE!!!"

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Tue Jul 18 19:00:35 2023
    On 18/07/23 17:12, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/17/2023 8:36 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:04:56 PM UTC+10, William Hyde wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:
    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression
    and gender
    identity."
    Actually for me the biggest surprise was finding that Waterloo had a
    'diversityn + equity' department. Canadians think of Waterloo in much
    the same way as Americans think of MIT and CalTech and for the same
    reasons.
    Actually, nobody I know thinks this.

    Obviously you don't know real canadians...

    No such thing.  :P


    To Build a Fire. Jack London.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Tue Jul 18 02:35:18 2023
    On 7/18/2023 12:13 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/17/2023 8:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 7/8/2023 9:08 AM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 7/6/2023 10:00 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT), Tony Nance
    <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:

    Perhaps using I-75 as a main conduit
    into Michigan?

    When I travelled with my parents, I-75 wasn't even a gleam in
    Eisenhower's eye.


    A rest stop was a place to pull off the road, a picnic table, and an
    optional outhouse.   A posh rest stop might have a hand pump.


    Still quite a few of those in Texas. Rarely with outhouse though.

    About a quarter of the outhouses have been air conditioned now.

    The first thing that I thought when I read that line was "GAS WARFARE!!!"

    The real dangerous thing about an outhouse in Texas is the wasps. Next
    is the black widow spiders. Next is the cottonmouths and copperheads.
    Then, lastly but not least, the summer smell that you can smell usually
    20 to 40 feet away.

    Lynn

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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to Hamish Laws on Tue Jul 18 11:55:45 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:36:29 PM UTC-4, Hamish Laws wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:04:56 PM UTC+10, William Hyde wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:40:12 PM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On 29 Jun 2023 17:39:36 -0000, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
    wrote:
    And in the world's smallest surprise:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/emergency-alert-university-waterloo-stabbing-watsafe-1.6892506

    "this was a hate-motivated incident related to gender expression and gender
    identity."
    Actually for me the biggest surprise was finding that Waterloo had a 'diversityn + equity' department. Canadians think of Waterloo in much the same way as Americans think of MIT and CalTech and for the same reasons.
    Actually, nobody I know thinks this.

    Obviously you don't know real canadians...

    As I said on another group:

    "Real Canadians (TM) play the rat".

    Goat will get the reference.

    William Hyde

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