• (Tears) Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 25 13:11:06 2023
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-paper-they-were-signing
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  • From Andrew McDowell@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Jun 25 07:36:31 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:11:11 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-paper-they-were-signing
    --
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    I enjoyed these stories a lot - I can immediately put my hands on my copies of "Retief at Large" and "Retief of the CDT" and I think I have a copy of "The Return of Retief" around somewhere.

    These are very obviously inspired by the cold war in Third World countries, with the CDT being the US and the Groaci the USSR - in the story "Pime Doesn't Cray" the alien world ecourages role-swapping, and the CDT are inspired to subvert expectations by
    funding the construction of a Bolshoi-type Ballet theatre, onlly to find that the dastardly Groaci had decided to surprise their opponents by funding the construction of a Yankee-Stadium style sports arena.

    To me the part of the series that strains my suspension of disbelief most is the contrast between Retief and the rest of the CDT - Retief is not only the juniormost employee who has more functioning brain cells than the rest of the office put together.
    He is impressively built, a natural athlete, irresistable to women, and has a jocular, slightly condescening, manner which ensures co-operation from a variety of sidekicks native to the planet in question. His superiors are not only stupid, but diverted
    by pointless bureaucratic politics and corruption, and with exactly the build and athletic ability you would expect from a lifetype of cocktail parties and ten hour meetings. It is difficult not to wonder what Retief is doing in this company (except from
    saving Terra, I suppose).

    Thre are some nice one-liners in there. I cannot find it quickly, so I may have this slightly wrong, but I remember liking something like "The role of the CDT is to maintain interstellar tensions at a level just short of open war" (the speaker intended
    to speak about preserving the peace, but since we are talking about a CDT employee other than Retief, mistakes were made).

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to mcdowell_ag@sky.com on Sun Jun 25 15:44:41 2023
    In article <dd3836f9-ae88-472d-8b4a-8b1d0d383010n@googlegroups.com>,
    Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:11:11 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-paper-they-were-signing
    --
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    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
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    I enjoyed these stories a lot - I can immediately put my hands on my
    copies of "Retief at Large" and "Retief of the CDT" and I think I have a
    copy of "The Return of Retief" around somewhere.

    These are very obviously inspired by the cold war in Third World
    countries, with the CDT being the US and the Groaci the USSR - in the
    story "Pime Doesn't Cray" the alien world ecourages role-swapping, and
    the CDT are inspired to subvert expectations by funding the construction
    of a Bolshoi-type Ballet theatre, onlly to find that the dastardly
    Groaci had decided to surprise their opponents by funding the
    construction of a Yankee-Stadium style sports arena.

    To me the part of the series that strains my suspension of disbelief
    most is the contrast between Retief and the rest of the CDT - Retief is
    not only the juniormost employee who has more functioning brain cells
    than the rest of the office put together. He is impressively built, a
    natural athlete, irresistable to women, and has a jocular, slightly >condescening, manner which ensures co-operation from a variety of
    sidekicks native to the planet in question. His superiors are not only >stupid, but diverted by pointless bureaucratic politics and corruption,
    and with exactly the build and athletic ability you would expect from a >lifetype of cocktail parties and ten hour meetings. It is difficult not
    to wonder what Retief is doing in this company (except from saving
    Terra, I suppose).

    Thre are some nice one-liners in there. I cannot find it quickly, so I
    may have this slightly wrong, but I remember liking something like "The
    role of the CDT is to maintain interstellar tensions at a level just
    short of open war" (the speaker intended to speak about preserving the
    peace, but since we are talking about a CDT employee other than Retief, >mistakes were made).

    (Hal Heydt)
    Laumer spent some time as a Military Attache in SE Asia. It's
    what he saw on the ground that he's spoofing.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to mcdowell_ag@sky.com on Sun Jun 25 17:04:48 2023
    In article <dd3836f9-ae88-472d-8b4a-8b1d0d383010n@googlegroups.com>,
    Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:11:11 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-paper-they-were-signing
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
    I enjoyed these stories a lot - I can immediately put my hands on my
    copies of "Retief at Large" and "Retief of the CDT" and I think I have a
    copy of "The Return of Retief" around somewhere.

    These are very obviously inspired by the cold war in Third World
    countries, with the CDT being the US and the Groaci the USSR - in the
    story "Pime Doesn't Cray" the alien world ecourages role-swapping, and
    the CDT are inspired to subvert expectations by funding the construction
    of a Bolshoi-type Ballet theatre, onlly to find that the dastardly
    Groaci had decided to surprise their opponents by funding the
    construction of a Yankee-Stadium style sports arena.

    To me the part of the series that strains my suspension of disbelief
    most is the contrast between Retief and the rest of the CDT - Retief is
    not only the juniormost employee who has more functioning brain cells
    than the rest of the office put together. He is impressively built, a
    natural athlete, irresistable to women, and has a jocular, slightly >condescening, manner which ensures co-operation from a variety of
    sidekicks native to the planet in question. His superiors are not only >stupid, but diverted by pointless bureaucratic politics and corruption,
    and with exactly the build and athletic ability you would expect from a >lifetype of cocktail parties and ten hour meetings. It is difficult not
    to wonder what Retief is doing in this company (except from saving
    Terra, I suppose).


    Retief is from Port Royal, and apparently his family is a very big
    deal there. This is very important somehow, as is why he is in the
    CDT. Unfortunately, by the time Laumer got around to starting to
    explain Retief's backstory, he was no longer able to do so in a
    comprehensible way.
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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sun Jun 25 13:50:55 2023
    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:11:11 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-paper-they-were-signing

    Laumer stretched the formula just a bit.

    Magnan grows smarter as the series goes on. This may be because he notices that,
    scary as things might get, he is often promoted after working with Retief. Or because
    he was young enough in the first stories to have some learning ability left.

    One or two of the bosses are deluded but eventually come around.

    And there's one story where a Groaci is the good guy.

    Laumer's better fiction took longer to write, and made less money. When he finally got a chance at the Nebula, the anti-NW faction took it away in order to "punish" Orbit.

    William Hyde

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sun Jun 25 21:53:34 2023
    In article <4e6ec16d-d4ed-4b77-b066-f36fb1d75a8cn@googlegroups.com>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:11:11?AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-paper-they-were-signing

    Laumer stretched the formula just a bit.

    I have always thought that the stories in _Envoy to New Worlds_ and
    _Galactic Diplomat_ were better than the later stories.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Mon Jun 26 12:15:49 2023
    In article <robertaw-2E1BA7.21533425062023@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    In article <4e6ec16d-d4ed-4b77-b066-f36fb1d75a8cn@googlegroups.com>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:11:11?AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-paper-they-were-signing

    Laumer stretched the formula just a bit.

    I have always thought that the stories in _Envoy to New Worlds_ and
    _Galactic Diplomat_ were better than the later stories.

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. >—-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

    _Envoy To New Worlds_ is my favorite. Not a clinker in that bunch:

    "Protocol"
    "Sealed Orders"
    "Cultural Exchange"
    "Aide Memoire"
    "Policy"
    "Palace Revolution"
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  • From Jack Bohn@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jun 26 07:27:05 2023
    James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    I was directed to one Retief story by a comment that it included a wheeled alien. Whatever book that was, before getting to them I read a robbery where the sophonts were given an order to the effect of putting their manipulators over their brain cases.
    The wheeled alien was explored with that level of detail. I've since ran across a few stories I was able to enjoy by not having aniticipation.

    (For those who think the Retief on the Baen covers look familiar, Wayne Barlowe says he was modeled on actor Corbin Bernsen. The way he writes it, this sounds like a paid modeling job. This would have been just before he got the job on LA Law, a bit
    before his part in the "Major League" movies, and way before his role on Psych.)

    --
    -Jack

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jun 27 22:37:52 2023
    James Nicoll wrote:

    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    There were a few times when there were some deviations from the
    formula. The one with mud planet (not in this book), "Clear as Mud"
    (aka "Grime and Punishment"), had a new ambassador arrive who was not
    the usual flabby bureaucrat.

    Unfortunately, while a fit, take-charge guy, he was also hasty and
    bullheaded, with actions taken withough proper information
    precipitating a crisis. He and Retief had a "discussion" of the sort
    that involved exchange of large fists. But after the invevitable Retief victory, he came along to help.


    Brian

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to jack.bohn64@gmail.com on Mon Jul 3 23:00:21 2023
    In article <7ea8b6c8-4b04-4cb5-a2d4-b37ae0cff339n@googlegroups.com>,
    Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    Retief of the CDT (Retief, volume 7) by Keith Laumer

    One mid-ranked functionary stands between hapless aliens and the
    menace presented by both the imperialist Groaci and the diplomat's
    own organization.

    I was directed to one Retief story by a comment that it included a
    wheeled alien. Whatever book that was, before getting to them I read a >robbery where the sophonts were given an order to the effect of putting
    their manipulators over their brain cases. The wheeled alien was
    explored with that level of detail. I've since ran across a few stories
    I was able to enjoy by not having aniticipation.

    (Hal Heydt)
    That's _Retief's War_.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 22:58:23 2023
    In article <kfradgFu381U1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    Retief is from Port Royal, and apparently his family is a very big
    deal there. This is very important somehow, as is why he is in the
    CDT. Unfortunately, by the time Laumer got around to starting to
    explain Retief's backstory, he was no longer able to do so in a >comprehensible way.

    (Hal Heydt)
    S

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    Retief is the hir to the Empire of the Lily. Some of that
    (including his very high military rank) is revealed in _Retief's
    War_.

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