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  • Re: xkcd: Siphon

    From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to John W Kennedy on Mon May 15 06:47:59 2023
    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn


    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Harold Hill@21:1/5 to John W Kennedy on Mon May 15 06:20:41 2023
    On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:26:33 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn


    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    --
    John W. Kennedy
    Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
    King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

    O the embarrassment.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 15 11:14:24 2023
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Mon May 15 13:05:15 2023
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
    important to the world. He just gets things done.

    Lynn

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon May 15 19:20:32 2023
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars >> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
    anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

    He's a middling businessman who didn't
    start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
    that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
    when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

    (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
    renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

    He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
    but bad business decisions).

    [*] And replaced by a different jerk.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Mon May 15 14:42:27 2023
    On 5/15/2023 2:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars >>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, >>> anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

    He's a middling businessman who didn't
    start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
    that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
    when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

    (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
    renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

    He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
    but bad business decisions).

    [*] And replaced by a different jerk.

    BTW, Musk owns X.com (X Corp) and has merged Twitter into it. Twitter
    no longer exists.

    https://slate.com/technology/2023/04/twitter-inc-x-corp-elon-musk-x-nevada.html

    Lynn

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Mon May 15 14:34:33 2023
    On 5/15/2023 2:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars >>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, >>> anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

    He's a middling businessman who didn't
    start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
    that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
    when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

    (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
    renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

    He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
    but bad business decisions).

    [*] And replaced by a different jerk.

    Jealous much ?

    Lynn

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Mon May 15 18:45:32 2023
    On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 5:22:15 AM UTC+10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched >>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, >> anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
    He's a middling businessman who didn't
    start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x).

    He did start Space-X and has started X.com, Zip2, the Boring Company (although apparently only to distract from public transport) and neuralink

    Space-X is a big deal but it's certainly true that most of his success has come from Tesla and the merger that brought paypal into x.com so the vast majority of his success has come from buying in.

    The idea that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole.

    and you can tell just how much trust to put into his titles by the grounds that as part of settling multiple lawsuits he held out to be able to claim he was a founder of Tesla when he wasn't there at the start.

    If he hadn't gotten lucky
    when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

    (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
    renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

    He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
    but bad business decisions).

    [*] And replaced by a different jerk.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon May 15 18:34:17 2023
    On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, anyway.
    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly important to the world. He just gets things done.

    he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)

    as for just getting things done, some of his companies (Tesla and Space-X) have gotten things done but how much of that is due to Musk and how much despite him is open to question
    Certainly space-x owes a lot to Tom Mueller and Gwynne Shotwell and, with Musk's time being spread between Tesla, Space-X, Twitter and various other companies it's hard to believe that he's playing a huge role in the actual design in any of them (apart
    from giving instructions in twitter to make his posts more visible)
    The lack of insight shown by his decisions at twitter certainly give credence to the stories from space-x employees that there are levels there with the entire function of keeping Musk away from the people actually doing the work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to Hamish Laws on Tue May 16 04:36:01 2023
    On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, >> > anyway.
    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
    important to the world. He just gets things done.

    he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)

    Exactly how is it that you consider him not a scientist? I seem to remember
    a little 4 minute experiment he did recently.

    You've shown that you must have an extremely warped view of science
    and scientists in the past - you may remember all your posts
    questioning my credentials as a scientist. But you never stated
    your definition of scientist. Could you do so, and then give your
    evidence that Musk is not a scientist?

    Chris


    as for just getting things done, some of his companies (Tesla and Space-X) have gotten things done but how much of that is due to Musk and how much despite him is open to question
    Certainly space-x owes a lot to Tom Mueller and Gwynne Shotwell and, with Musk's time being spread between Tesla, Space-X, Twitter and various other companies it's hard to believe that he's playing a huge role in the actual design in any of them (
    apart from giving instructions in twitter to make his posts more visible)
    The lack of insight shown by his decisions at twitter certainly give credence to the stories from space-x employees that there are levels there with the entire function of keeping Musk away from the people actually doing the work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to Chris Buckley on Mon May 15 22:02:22 2023
    On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:36:07 PM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
    On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
    anyway.
    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
    important to the world. He just gets things done.

    he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)
    Exactly how is it that you consider him not a scientist?

    He's never worked doing experimental design, developing scientific theories etc His professional experience is
    - coding an online directory
    - starting an online bank (and merging with another on that had a huge product) - buying into a car manufacturing company and working in management
    - starting various other companies and working in management while other people do the technical bits

    Sure with a physics degree he probably has more knowledge of science than most other managers but that doesn't make him a scientist
    I've got various friends who got science degrees but have worked as coders, administrators etc
    they aren't scientists either
    (I've got a B.Eng & B.Sc in computer science and maths, I'm not an engineer and I'm not a scientist because I've never done the work in either of them fields, my career is largely writing business applications)

    I seem to remember a little 4 minute experiment he did recently.

    Yeah, although I'd say rocket design is much more engineering than science and I don't believe that Musk has enough input into the designs to be recognised as part of the engineering team there

    You've shown that you must have an extremely warped view of science
    and scientists in the past - you may remember all your posts
    questioning my credentials as a scientist.

    I think you have me confused with somebody else, possibly Lynn.
    I don't think I've ever questioned your credentials (I may have asked some stupid questions)

    But you never stated
    your definition of scientist. Could you do so, and then give your
    evidence that Musk is not a scientist?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to Hamish Laws on Tue May 16 06:47:52 2023
    On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:36:07 PM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
    On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
    anyway.
    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
    important to the world. He just gets things done.

    he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)
    Exactly how is it that you consider him not a scientist?

    He's never worked doing experimental design, developing scientific theories etc
    His professional experience is
    - coding an online directory
    - starting an online bank (and merging with another on that had a huge product)
    - buying into a car manufacturing company and working in management
    - starting various other companies and working in management while other people do the technical bits

    Sure with a physics degree he probably has more knowledge of science than most other managers but that doesn't make him a scientist
    I've got various friends who got science degrees but have worked as coders, administrators etc
    they aren't scientists either
    (I've got a B.Eng & B.Sc in computer science and maths, I'm not an engineer and I'm not a scientist because I've never done the work in either of them fields, my career is largely writing business applications)

    I seem to remember a little 4 minute experiment he did recently.

    Yeah, although I'd say rocket design is much more engineering than science and I don't believe that Musk has enough input into the designs to be recognised as part of the engineering team there

    Why does he have to be part of the engineering team? The launch of
    Starship was absolutely a scientific experiment and Musk was involved in the design of the experiment (unless you really that Musk is a hands-off manager that doesn't get involved in any decisions.) That fits your definition above. Who would be the scientists designing that experiment if you are excluding
    him?


    You've shown that you must have an extremely warped view of science
    and scientists in the past - you may remember all your posts
    questioning my credentials as a scientist.

    I think you have me confused with somebody else, possibly Lynn.
    I don't think I've ever questioned your credentials (I may have asked some stupid questions)

    Was, for example, the attached a different Hamash?

    Chris


    Message-ID: <slrnogh7bo.e4d.alan@video.sabir.com>
    On 2017-05-02, hamish.laws@gmail.com <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:37:27 PM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
    On 2017-05-02, hamish.laws@gmail.com <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 1:54:21 AM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
    http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Scientists-Are-Calling-for-NY-Times-Boycott-Over-11107895.php

    ...
    Look, I am a scientist by any reasonable definition.

    Really, what do you do?

    Research in information retrieval.

    I'm not sure that actually counts as science.

    PhD in Computer Science from Cornell.

    again probably not science (unless your research topic was something unusual for a Computer Science PhD)

    The folks at Cornell would certainly disagree with your claim.

    Published over 100 research articles, including in _Science_.

    what have you published on?

    Been cited more than 20,000 times.

    Which only matters for the claim to be a scientist if what is being cited is science.

    Served on multiple NSF panels evaluating research proposals for funding.

    Depends on what the panels are assessing and why you're there.
    ...

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Tue May 16 14:55:51 2023
    On Monday, 15 May 2023 at 20:44:27 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 5/15/2023 2:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched >>>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the >>>>> bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
    anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

    He's a middling businessman who didn't
    start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
    that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
    when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

    (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
    renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

    He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
    but bad business decisions).

    [*] And replaced by a different jerk.
    BTW, Musk owns X.com (X Corp) and has merged Twitter into it. Twitter
    no longer exists.

    https://slate.com/technology/2023/04/twitter-inc-x-corp-elon-musk-x-nevada.html

    So, the X.com that he used to own a piece of is now PayPal,
    which he does not own. And which apparently has agreed to
    sell the letter X back to him. Which makes PayPal now - richer.

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  • From petertrei@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Tue May 16 21:01:36 2023
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:22:15 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched >>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, >> anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
    He's a middling businessman who didn't
    start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
    that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
    when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

    (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
    renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

    He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
    but bad business decisions).

    Exactly how has he 'destroyed' Twitter? Be specific. What are the Bad Things that have happened?

    Pt

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Wed May 17 01:30:35 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 2:01:39 PM UTC+10, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:22:15 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched >>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the >>>> bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
    is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
    anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
    He's a middling businessman who didn't
    start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
    that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
    when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

    (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
    renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

    He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
    but bad business decisions).
    Exactly how has he 'destroyed' Twitter? Be specific. What are the Bad Things that have happened?

    Adding about $13 billion in debt to twitter (it had about $600million in debt before the takeover)
    Removing verification of accounts, so now you can't tell if a post is actually from the celebrity or business that it claims to be from, as an example somebody paid for a checkmark under a company name and stated that they were making a medical treatment
    available for free (I think it was insulin)
    Allowing right wing nutjobs back on after they had been permanently banned Driving off massive amounts of advertisers because of potential reputational damage
    Increased downtime
    Broken search, including forcing no results for searches for a journalist who criticised Musk
    Censoring the feed to Turkey because of threats from Erdoğan
    Removing api access
    Stating that they will remove inactive accounts, so dead people's accounts will be deleted...
    Twiddling with the algorithm to boost Musk's penetration
    The complete propaganda of the Twitter Files leaks
    Musk attacking Twitter staff publicly...
    Musk sacking people with no idea of what they did
    Removal of support staff
    Removal of api access making many services unworkable
    Arbitrarily banning people, such as the Musk flight plan account which only published publicly availabl information
    Missed the point that the main reason people are on twitter is because of other users who create the content
    Introduced bugs that randomly unfollow people
    Musky has pushed anti-soros conspiracy theories and stating that Soros wants to destroy civilisation 'Musk responded, “You assume they are good intentions. They are not. He wants to erode the very fabric of civilization. Soros hates humanity.”' see
    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/business/elon-musk-george-soros/index.html
    (see reputational damage for advertisers above)

    Hows that for a start?

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Wed May 17 06:33:14 2023
    On May 15, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <u3ts8s$34adr$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite

    ‘Luddite’? Moi? Surely not.

    shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

    that would be a nope. #1 scientist would probably be Hawking. #1 engineer
    would be the guy at Space- who asctually did the work. (Hint: not the Musketeer.)

    He is incredibly
    important to the world.

    he is a useless waste of oxygen.
    He just gets things done.

    Such as, oh, destroy Tweitter. (Which is a Good Thing(™))


    Lynn

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  • From Hamish Laws@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Wed May 17 05:22:00 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:33:27 PM UTC+10, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <u3ts8s$34adr$1...@dont-email.me>):
    shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
    that would be a nope. #1 scientist would probably be Hawking.

    Dunno, most of Hawking's work was 20th century
    I'm not sure he produced a great deal of revolutionary stuff in the 21st
    (still better than most mind you but there's a lot of competition from a lot of fields to be best scientist)

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Wed May 24 13:38:46 2023
    On 5/17/2023 5:33 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <u3ts8s$34adr$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
    (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
    On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
    If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

    xkcd: Siphon
    https://xkcd.com/2775/

    Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

    Lynn

    Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
    out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
    Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
    Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
    bottom up.

    This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
    Maybe test it on a spare.

    And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars >>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if >>> the
    patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use, >>> anyway.

    Ah, the Luddite

    ‘Luddite’? Moi? Surely not.

    shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
    scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

    that would be a nope. #1 scientist would probably be Hawking. #1 engineer would be the guy at Space- who asctually did the work. (Hint: not the Musketeer.)

    He is incredibly
    important to the world.

    he is a useless waste of oxygen.
    He just gets things done.

    Such as, oh, destroy Tweitter. (Which is a Good Thing(™))


    Lynn

    Elon Musk is D. D. Harriman. No, really.

    Lynn

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