• Semi OT movie reviews: Puss In Boots 2 and Battle of the Bulge/ fake ta

    From David Brown@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 14:26:41 2023
    Here's a couple things I was debating whether to put up here at all. First, a review of Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, with some venting on the long-standing politics of the animation Oscar. A rant I referenced, the real breaking point to me was in 2016,
    when they not only chose Zootopia over Kubo but didn't even nominate Finding Dory.
    https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/03/animation-defenestration-one-that-lost.html

    And actually more closely related to what I've posted here, a review of Battle of the Bulge. I worked in some thoughts on the tiers of historicity for war movies. I suppose there could be room for discussion here about how the "fake" tanks in this movie
    compare to others, especially in the direction of science fiction. To me, it's not a big issue when an existing vehicle is modified to represent a fictional or "futuristic" one, especially given my knowledge of how many ridiculously old vehicles are
    still being used and regularly upgraded. Does anyone recall noticing a "fake tank" in sci fi films that was especially unconvincing or distracting?
    https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/04/really-good-movies-one-with-fakest-fake.html

    David N. Brown
    Mesa, Arizona

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to davidnbrown80@gmail.com on Sat Apr 15 09:51:00 2023
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:26:41 -0700 (PDT), David Brown
    <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:

    Here's a couple things I was debating whether to put up here at all. First, a review of Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, with some venting on the long-standing politics of the animation Oscar. A rant I referenced, the real breaking point to me was in 2016,
    when they not only chose Zootopia over Kubo but didn't even nominate Finding Dory.
    https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/03/animation-defenestration-one-that-lost.html

    I saw all three (but not the Puss in Boots sequel yet). /Zootopia/ is
    a very polished movie with a twisty plot, a hero who falls and redeems
    herself, and a sequence at the end which, the first time I saw it,
    actually made me fear for her life. It was, IOW, very effective.

    I saw /Kubo/ but I didn't like it. And I liked it even less at the
    end, when we find out what the "two strings" are.

    /Finding Dory/ was nice, but it omitted the really interesting part of
    the story: the trip across the Pacific. In many ways, the original's
    journey to Sydney was the most interesting part of the film. Without
    it, /Finding Dory/ seems ... hollow ... to me.

    And actually more closely related to what I've posted here, a review of Battle of the Bulge. I worked in some thoughts on the tiers of historicity for war movies. I suppose there could be room for discussion here about how the "fake" tanks in this movie
    compare to others, especially in the direction of science fiction. To me, it's not a big issue when an existing vehicle is modified to represent a fictional or "futuristic" one, especially given my knowledge of how many ridiculously old vehicles are
    still being used and regularly upgraded. Does anyone recall noticing a "fake tank" in sci fi films that was especially unconvincing or distracting?
    https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/04/really-good-movies-one-with-fakest-fake.html

    I'm afraid I don't watch movies to see how accurate the equipment is.
    I have other interests.
    --
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    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Sat Apr 15 17:43:36 2023
    In article <e2ll3itctvt5tcvikj1tslaeog7k9u87k4@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:26:41 -0700 (PDT), David Brown ><davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:

    Here's a couple things I was debating whether to put up here at all.
    First, a review of Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, with some venting on
    the long-standing politics of the animation Oscar. A rant I referenced,
    the real breaking point to me was in 2016, when they not only chose
    Zootopia over Kubo but didn't even nominate Finding Dory. >>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/03/animation-defenestration-one-that-lost.html

    I saw all three (but not the Puss in Boots sequel yet). /Zootopia/ is
    a very polished movie with a twisty plot, a hero who falls and redeems >herself, and a sequence at the end which, the first time I saw it,
    actually made me fear for her life. It was, IOW, very effective.

    I saw /Kubo/ but I didn't like it. And I liked it even less at the
    end, when we find out what the "two strings" are.

    /Finding Dory/ was nice, but it omitted the really interesting part of
    the story: the trip across the Pacific. In many ways, the original's
    journey to Sydney was the most interesting part of the film. Without
    it, /Finding Dory/ seems ... hollow ... to me.


    Did not see Kubo although I wanted to, but Puss In Boots II is miles
    ahead of Zootopia (which was not a bat film by any means). PIBII had
    miles of heart, a solid story and surprising character arcs. Probably
    the best movie of 2022.

    Finding Dorry I liked much less than Nemo. In particular, my WSOD
    died when they started spending lots of time in mop buckets and other
    dodgy water sources. Fish tend to die if you look at their
    water wrong, much less replace it with a pine-sol solution..

    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tednolan on Sun Apr 16 09:01:31 2023
    On 15 Apr 2023 17:43:36 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <e2ll3itctvt5tcvikj1tslaeog7k9u87k4@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:26:41 -0700 (PDT), David Brown >><davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:

    Here's a couple things I was debating whether to put up here at all. >>First, a review of Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, with some venting on
    the long-standing politics of the animation Oscar. A rant I referenced,
    the real breaking point to me was in 2016, when they not only chose >>Zootopia over Kubo but didn't even nominate Finding Dory. >>>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/03/animation-defenestration-one-that-lost.html

    I saw all three (but not the Puss in Boots sequel yet). /Zootopia/ is
    a very polished movie with a twisty plot, a hero who falls and redeems >>herself, and a sequence at the end which, the first time I saw it,
    actually made me fear for her life. It was, IOW, very effective.

    I saw /Kubo/ but I didn't like it. And I liked it even less at the
    end, when we find out what the "two strings" are.

    /Finding Dory/ was nice, but it omitted the really interesting part of
    the story: the trip across the Pacific. In many ways, the original's >>journey to Sydney was the most interesting part of the film. Without
    it, /Finding Dory/ seems ... hollow ... to me.


    Did not see Kubo although I wanted to, but Puss In Boots II is miles
    ahead of Zootopia (which was not a bat film by any means). PIBII had
    miles of heart, a solid story and surprising character arcs. Probably
    the best movie of 2022.

    When I see the /trailer/ for Kubo, I still find it attractive. But
    then I remember the movie.

    I await /Puss In Boots: The Last Wish/'s inevitable descent to
    something I am willing to pay to stream (or can stream for "free")
    with great anticipation.

    Finding Dorry I liked much less than Nemo. In particular, my WSOD
    died when they started spending lots of time in mop buckets and other
    dodgy water sources. Fish tend to die if you look at their
    water wrong, much less replace it with a pine-sol solution..
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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  • From petertrei@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sun Apr 16 10:59:02 2023
    On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 17:43:36 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <e2ll3itctvt5tcvik...@4ax.com>,
    Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:26:41 -0700 (PDT), David Brown >><davidn...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Here's a couple things I was debating whether to put up here at all. >>First, a review of Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, with some venting on >>the long-standing politics of the animation Oscar. A rant I referenced, >>the real breaking point to me was in 2016, when they not only chose >>Zootopia over Kubo but didn't even nominate Finding Dory. >>>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/03/animation-defenestration-one-that-lost.html

    I saw all three (but not the Puss in Boots sequel yet). /Zootopia/ is
    a very polished movie with a twisty plot, a hero who falls and redeems >>herself, and a sequence at the end which, the first time I saw it, >>actually made me fear for her life. It was, IOW, very effective.

    I saw /Kubo/ but I didn't like it. And I liked it even less at the
    end, when we find out what the "two strings" are.

    /Finding Dory/ was nice, but it omitted the really interesting part of >>the story: the trip across the Pacific. In many ways, the original's >>journey to Sydney was the most interesting part of the film. Without
    it, /Finding Dory/ seems ... hollow ... to me.


    Did not see Kubo although I wanted to, but Puss In Boots II is miles
    ahead of Zootopia (which was not a bat film by any means). PIBII had
    miles of heart, a solid story and surprising character arcs. Probably
    the best movie of 2022.
    When I see the /trailer/ for Kubo, I still find it attractive. But
    then I remember the movie.

    I liked Kubo a lot, but I approached it in the same way it's best to
    watch Grand Opera. You don't watch for the plot, but for the
    quality of the execution.

    ...and the stop motion animation in Kubo was a tour de force.

    Pt

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to David Brown on Mon Apr 17 02:27:16 2023
    David Brown <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> writes:

    Does anyone recall noticing a "fake tank" in sci fi films
    that was especially unconvincing or distracting?

    Digressing even further OT, I was jerked awake from a bad sci fi movie
    by something inexplicably *real* in the wrong place.

    I'm ever alert for how well blacksmithing is handled in movies. Was
    Thorin Oakenshield's hammering style credible when he was shown as
    supporting himself as a working smith? Magic aside, did the elves do
    the right thing reforging the Sword That Was Broken? Was that a Peter
    Wright anvil in a 13th c. forge shop? Was that guy in Laredo beating
    cold iron?

    Watching the 2009 movie, "Cargo". The year is 2267. The earth is uninhabitable a la Wall-E but, unlike Wall-E, people live in crowded
    orbital habitats more like Blade-Runner-inside-a-Greyhound-Bus and
    have done so for a few generations.

    We're on a huge spaceship, deep in interstellar space when someone
    carelessly jams open the two-storey tall, 2' thick multi-ton sliding
    doors to the refrigerated cargo hold. Two crew guys are detailed to
    to free them up.

    They appear to be equipped with:

    + Tanks for some kind of torch

    + Some sort of jack

    + 20th c. stick welder and mask

    + Crowbar

    + Cold chisel

    Cold chisel? Ya gots to *hit* it with something. The hammer -- both conceptually and practically -- has been around since the stone age.
    What does a space-going 23rd c. hammer look like?

    It's unequivocally a long-handled 3"x3" blacksmith's flatter with
    which the crewman struggles to deliver useful blows to the chisel. It
    shows moderate peening-over on the poll from use as a flatter but he
    uses the big flat face to hit the chisel.

    I was sure I could see the A-in-a-horseshoe Atha Tool logo but
    failed to bring it up recognizably in any of several screenshots.

    It's at about 00:46:00 if you have access to the movie and want to
    look for it.

    Now back to "written"...

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere on Mon Apr 17 08:50:44 2023
    On 17 Apr 2023 02:27:16 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:


    David Brown <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> writes:

    Does anyone recall noticing a "fake tank" in sci fi films
    that was especially unconvincing or distracting?

    Digressing even further OT, I was jerked awake from a bad sci fi movie
    by something inexplicably *real* in the wrong place.

    I'm ever alert for how well blacksmithing is handled in movies. Was
    Thorin Oakenshield's hammering style credible when he was shown as
    supporting himself as a working smith? Magic aside, did the elves do
    the right thing reforging the Sword That Was Broken? Was that a Peter
    Wright anvil in a 13th c. forge shop? Was that guy in Laredo beating
    cold iron?

    Watching the 2009 movie, "Cargo". The year is 2267. The earth is >uninhabitable a la Wall-E but, unlike Wall-E, people live in crowded
    orbital habitats more like Blade-Runner-inside-a-Greyhound-Bus and
    have done so for a few generations.

    We're on a huge spaceship, deep in interstellar space when someone
    carelessly jams open the two-storey tall, 2' thick multi-ton sliding
    doors to the refrigerated cargo hold. Two crew guys are detailed to
    to free them up.

    They appear to be equipped with:

    + Tanks for some kind of torch

    + Some sort of jack

    + 20th c. stick welder and mask

    + Crowbar

    + Cold chisel

    Cold chisel? Ya gots to *hit* it with something. The hammer -- both >conceptually and practically -- has been around since the stone age.
    What does a space-going 23rd c. hammer look like?

    It's unequivocally a long-handled 3"x3" blacksmith's flatter with
    which the crewman struggles to deliver useful blows to the chisel. It
    shows moderate peening-over on the poll from use as a flatter but he
    uses the big flat face to hit the chisel.

    I was sure I could see the A-in-a-horseshoe Atha Tool logo but
    failed to bring it up recognizably in any of several screenshots.

    So, we now know that Atha Tool exists in the 23rd century.

    And has kept its tradition up very well.

    It's all a matter of perspective, after all.

    It's at about 00:46:00 if you have access to the movie and want to
    look for it.

    Now back to "written"...
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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  • From petertrei@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Mon Apr 17 11:59:07 2023
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 17 Apr 2023 02:27:16 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:


    David Brown <davidn...@gmail.com> writes:

    Does anyone recall noticing a "fake tank" in sci fi films
    that was especially unconvincing or distracting?

    Digressing even further OT, I was jerked awake from a bad sci fi movie
    by something inexplicably *real* in the wrong place.

    I'm ever alert for how well blacksmithing is handled in movies. Was
    Thorin Oakenshield's hammering style credible when he was shown as >supporting himself as a working smith? Magic aside, did the elves do
    the right thing reforging the Sword That Was Broken? Was that a Peter >Wright anvil in a 13th c. forge shop? Was that guy in Laredo beating
    cold iron?

    Watching the 2009 movie, "Cargo". The year is 2267. The earth is >uninhabitable a la Wall-E but, unlike Wall-E, people live in crowded >orbital habitats more like Blade-Runner-inside-a-Greyhound-Bus and
    have done so for a few generations.

    We're on a huge spaceship, deep in interstellar space when someone >carelessly jams open the two-storey tall, 2' thick multi-ton sliding
    doors to the refrigerated cargo hold. Two crew guys are detailed to
    to free them up.

    They appear to be equipped with:

    + Tanks for some kind of torch

    + Some sort of jack

    + 20th c. stick welder and mask

    + Crowbar

    + Cold chisel

    Cold chisel? Ya gots to *hit* it with something. The hammer -- both >conceptually and practically -- has been around since the stone age.
    What does a space-going 23rd c. hammer look like?

    It's unequivocally a long-handled 3"x3" blacksmith's flatter with
    which the crewman struggles to deliver useful blows to the chisel. It >shows moderate peening-over on the poll from use as a flatter but he
    uses the big flat face to hit the chisel.

    I was sure I could see the A-in-a-horseshoe Atha Tool logo but
    failed to bring it up recognizably in any of several screenshots.
    So, we now know that Atha Tool exists in the 23rd century.

    And has kept its tradition up very well.

    It's all a matter of perspective, after all.
    It's at about 00:46:00 if you have access to the movie and want to
    look for it.

    Now back to "written"...

    For a quick glimpse of some *very* fake tanks, try 1936's
    'Things to Come"
    https://youtu.be/knOd-BhRuCE?t=1282

    pt

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to David Brown on Mon Apr 17 14:19:42 2023
    On 4/14/2023 4:26 PM, David Brown wrote:
    Here's a couple things I was debating whether to put up here at all. First, a review of Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, with some venting on the long-standing politics of the animation Oscar. A rant I referenced, the real breaking point to me was in 2016,
    when they not only chose Zootopia over Kubo but didn't even nominate Finding Dory.
    https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/03/animation-defenestration-one-that-lost.html

    And actually more closely related to what I've posted here, a review of Battle of the Bulge. I worked in some thoughts on the tiers of historicity for war movies. I suppose there could be room for discussion here about how the "fake" tanks in this
    movie compare to others, especially in the direction of science fiction. To me, it's not a big issue when an existing vehicle is modified to represent a fictional or "futuristic" one, especially given my knowledge of how many ridiculously old vehicles
    are still being used and regularly upgraded. Does anyone recall noticing a "fake tank" in sci fi films that was especially unconvincing or distracting?
    https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2023/04/really-good-movies-one-with-fakest-fake.html

    David N. Brown
    Mesa, Arizona

    Um, we did have fake tanks in Briton leading up to D-Day.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/d-days-parachuting-dummies-and-inflatable-tanks

    Lynn

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Tue Apr 18 08:59:08 2023
    On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:59:07 -0700 (PDT), "pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:50:51?AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 17 Apr 2023 02:27:16 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:


    David Brown <davidn...@gmail.com> writes:

    Does anyone recall noticing a "fake tank" in sci fi films
    that was especially unconvincing or distracting?

    Digressing even further OT, I was jerked awake from a bad sci fi movie
    by something inexplicably *real* in the wrong place.

    I'm ever alert for how well blacksmithing is handled in movies. Was
    Thorin Oakenshield's hammering style credible when he was shown as
    supporting himself as a working smith? Magic aside, did the elves do
    the right thing reforging the Sword That Was Broken? Was that a Peter
    Wright anvil in a 13th c. forge shop? Was that guy in Laredo beating
    cold iron?

    Watching the 2009 movie, "Cargo". The year is 2267. The earth is
    uninhabitable a la Wall-E but, unlike Wall-E, people live in crowded
    orbital habitats more like Blade-Runner-inside-a-Greyhound-Bus and
    have done so for a few generations.

    We're on a huge spaceship, deep in interstellar space when someone
    carelessly jams open the two-storey tall, 2' thick multi-ton sliding
    doors to the refrigerated cargo hold. Two crew guys are detailed to
    to free them up.

    They appear to be equipped with:

    + Tanks for some kind of torch

    + Some sort of jack

    + 20th c. stick welder and mask

    + Crowbar

    + Cold chisel

    Cold chisel? Ya gots to *hit* it with something. The hammer -- both
    conceptually and practically -- has been around since the stone age.
    What does a space-going 23rd c. hammer look like?

    It's unequivocally a long-handled 3"x3" blacksmith's flatter with
    which the crewman struggles to deliver useful blows to the chisel. It
    shows moderate peening-over on the poll from use as a flatter but he
    uses the big flat face to hit the chisel.

    I was sure I could see the A-in-a-horseshoe Atha Tool logo but
    failed to bring it up recognizably in any of several screenshots.
    So, we now know that Atha Tool exists in the 23rd century.

    And has kept its tradition up very well.

    It's all a matter of perspective, after all.
    It's at about 00:46:00 if you have access to the movie and want to
    look for it.

    Now back to "written"...

    For a quick glimpse of some *very* fake tanks, try 1936's
    'Things to Come"
    https://youtu.be/knOd-BhRuCE?t=1282

    Considering when it was made, I prefer to regard them as "future
    tanks". Whether they would work in reality is, as if often the case in
    SF, not really relevant as long as they work in the story.
    --
    "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
    development was the disintegration, under Christian
    influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
    of family right."

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