• Re: "Spider-Man: No Way Home" Suggests Movie Fans Are Fed Up With Woke

    From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Jan 20 12:05:01 2022
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    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    In article <sq4tme$sp6$32@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    "Get woke, go broke" is a popular adage in the conservative community.
    But is there any truth to it?

    Some critics are saying that the massive success of the new movie,
    SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME, shows beyond a doubt that movie audiences
    are seeking films with substance and heart, not woke messaging that's
    nothing more than thinly veiled propaganda for Leftist causes.

    And some proof they're citing is how NO WAY HOME just smashed box
    office expectations, raking in $253 million domestically opening
    weekend, according to Variety. Before this, no post-COVID-19 film had
    managed to cross the $100 million mark in just one weekend.

    Others have tried, however. SPIDER-MAN's monstrous success comes in
    the recent wake of Spielberg's huge WEST SIDE STORY flop that failed
    despite an aggressive marketing campaign in Hollywood. Critics blamed a
    surge in the virus with the Omicron variant going strong as a reason
    people just didn't want to go to the movies. But NO WAY HOME proves
    there's something else going on.

    Critics and fans both adore the latest Spider-Man movie, with the
    Observer calling it, "An overflowing, funnel-web cornucopia of treats
    for Spider-fans." A ReelViews critic said, "As superhero movies go,
    this one offers its share of satisfying moments and is guaranteed to
    warm the heart of any Spider-Man movie fan, regardless of when their
    fandom started."

    The consensus is that this film was made with the fans in mind and
    differs from what Disney has done in the past. This is likely because,
    technically, Sony still owns the film rights and creative control
    despite being under the gigantic Disney umbrella.

    And then there was Breitbart, who called out what many moviegoers and
    critics were implying but not explicitly stating.

    "Newsflash: If you make a decent movie that seeks to entertain and move
    - instead of lecture and shame - we will show up," John Nolte wrote.
    "SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME does precisely that. You will not only have
    a great time at the movies again, but there's no gay, transsexual, or
    racial nonsense. This movie is about only one thing: Delivering the
    goods."

    On the whole, action movies tend to out-perform more thoughtful films.
    But even these types of storylines have been suffering lately. BLACK
    WIDOW bombed because of overtly feminist themes that superseded the
    central narrative. ETERNALS had a similar issue because audiences saw
    the extraordinarily politically correct agenda and rebelled against it.

    Did BLACK WIDOW bomb? I was under the impression that it did decent if
    not spectacular business.

    And what was politically correct about ETERNALS? It was a dud of a
    movie, but I don't think PC was its problem.


    The casting of ETERNALS was pretty damn woke. How did all these diverse
    robots come to be with their diverse accents long before those languages
    even existed?

    The original comic book team had a fair number of blondes in it

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51VIHmZbCSL.jpg

    They weren’t robots, either, or if they were they were pretty damn good robots since they could breed with humans.

    I would say the choice of Director was pretty damn PC woke as well. She
    really didn’t have the chops to get that gig any other way but affirmative action.

    BLACK WIDOW grossed $379,631,351 worldwide.
    Supposedly it cost $200 million which is a suspiciously even number.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Thu Jan 20 10:14:13 2022
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    In article <sq4tme$sp6$32@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    "Get woke, go broke" is a popular adage in the conservative community.
    But is there any truth to it?

    Some critics are saying that the massive success of the new movie, SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME, shows beyond a doubt that movie audiences
    are seeking films with substance and heart, not woke messaging that's
    nothing more than thinly veiled propaganda for Leftist causes.

    And some proof they're citing is how NO WAY HOME just smashed box
    office expectations, raking in $253 million domestically opening
    weekend, according to Variety. Before this, no post-COVID-19 film had
    managed to cross the $100 million mark in just one weekend.

    Others have tried, however. SPIDER-MAN's monstrous success comes in
    the recent wake of Spielberg's huge WEST SIDE STORY flop that failed
    despite an aggressive marketing campaign in Hollywood. Critics blamed a
    surge in the virus with the Omicron variant going strong as a reason
    people just didn't want to go to the movies. But NO WAY HOME proves
    there's something else going on.

    Critics and fans both adore the latest Spider-Man movie, with the
    Observer calling it, "An overflowing, funnel-web cornucopia of treats
    for Spider-fans." A ReelViews critic said, "As superhero movies go,
    this one offers its share of satisfying moments and is guaranteed to
    warm the heart of any Spider-Man movie fan, regardless of when their
    fandom started."

    The consensus is that this film was made with the fans in mind and
    differs from what Disney has done in the past. This is likely because, technically, Sony still owns the film rights and creative control
    despite being under the gigantic Disney umbrella.

    And then there was Breitbart, who called out what many moviegoers and
    critics were implying but not explicitly stating.

    "Newsflash: If you make a decent movie that seeks to entertain and move
    - instead of lecture and shame - we will show up," John Nolte wrote. "SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME does precisely that. You will not only have
    a great time at the movies again, but there's no gay, transsexual, or
    racial nonsense. This movie is about only one thing: Delivering the
    goods."

    On the whole, action movies tend to out-perform more thoughtful films.
    But even these types of storylines have been suffering lately. BLACK
    WIDOW bombed because of overtly feminist themes that superseded the
    central narrative. ETERNALS had a similar issue because audiences saw
    the extraordinarily politically correct agenda and rebelled against it.

    Did BLACK WIDOW bomb? I was under the impression that it did decent if
    not spectacular business.

    And what was politically correct about ETERNALS? It was a dud of a
    movie, but I don't think PC was its problem.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Jan 20 20:22:25 2022
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    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    "Get woke, go broke" is a popular adage in the conservative community.
    But is there any truth to it?

    Some critics are saying that the massive success of the new movie,
    SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME, shows beyond a doubt that movie audiences
    are seeking films with substance and heart, not woke messaging that's
    nothing more than thinly veiled propaganda for Leftist causes.

    And some proof they're citing is how NO WAY HOME just smashed box
    office expectations, raking in $253 million domestically opening
    weekend, according to Variety. Before this, no post-COVID-19 film had
    managed to cross the $100 million mark in just one weekend.

    Others have tried, however. SPIDER-MAN's monstrous success comes in
    the recent wake of Spielberg's huge WEST SIDE STORY flop that failed
    despite an aggressive marketing campaign in Hollywood. Critics blamed a
    surge in the virus with the Omicron variant going strong as a reason
    people just didn't want to go to the movies. But NO WAY HOME proves
    there's something else going on.

    Critics and fans both adore the latest Spider-Man movie, with the
    Observer calling it, "An overflowing, funnel-web cornucopia of treats
    for Spider-fans." A ReelViews critic said, "As superhero movies go,
    this one offers its share of satisfying moments and is guaranteed to
    warm the heart of any Spider-Man movie fan, regardless of when their
    fandom started."

    The consensus is that this film was made with the fans in mind and
    differs from what Disney has done in the past. This is likely because,
    technically, Sony still owns the film rights and creative control
    despite being under the gigantic Disney umbrella.

    And then there was Breitbart, who called out what many moviegoers and
    critics were implying but not explicitly stating.

    "Newsflash: If you make a decent movie that seeks to entertain and move
    - instead of lecture and shame - we will show up," John Nolte wrote.
    "SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME does precisely that. You will not only have
    a great time at the movies again, but there's no gay, transsexual, or
    racial nonsense. This movie is about only one thing: Delivering the
    goods."

    On the whole, action movies tend to out-perform more thoughtful films.
    But even these types of storylines have been suffering lately. BLACK
    WIDOW bombed because of overtly feminist themes that superseded the
    central narrative. ETERNALS had a similar issue because audiences saw
    the extraordinarily politically correct agenda and rebelled against it.

    Did BLACK WIDOW bomb? I was under the impression that it did decent if
    not spectacular business.

    I am not aware of how well Black Widow did.

    And what was politically correct about ETERNALS? It was a dud of a
    movie, but I don't think PC was its problem.

    "Eternals" Signals The End Of Marvel As We Knew It

    If Eternals is any indication, Marvels glory days are officially
    behind it.

    Some lovely world-building, full of color and light notwithstanding,
    from beginning to end, the film is a mess.

    The storyline centers on a group of immortal beings fashioned by the
    great celestial energy god Arishem to battle deviants neon, fiber-
    optic dinosaurs that traverse the planet feeding on humankind. After
    thousands of years, the Eternals have finally destroyed the last of
    them, and are free to roam the world finding their own purpose, hanging
    in bars, making movies, riding the range.

    Thats what theyre doing when an evolved breed of deviant shows up,
    setting them off on a journey for answers.

    This sounds kind of fun. And I wish it were. But with the exception of
    Kumail Nanjiani who offers, without question, the only real reason to
    see the movie, the story takes itself far too seriously for fun or,
    really, even logic.

    Complicating plot twists surface and disappear and were never clear if
    they were important to begin with. Someone is suddenly revealed to be
    in love with someone else yet theres been no foreshadowing to achieve emotional impact. Characters motivations, that we are supposed to
    believe were forged through millennia, shift on a dime, but seem to
    indicate deep religious faith is bad and will make you kill the people
    you love.

    Ultimately Eternals commits the one sin a blockbuster, superhero movie
    can never be redeemed from its dull.

    The issue is primarily that Marvel is no longer content to make
    entertainment. Now, under Kevin Feiges new direction, it wants to make commentary. It wants to be relevant. Instead, it often ends up
    ridiculous, taking you out of the world of the movie as you begin
    thinking about the kind of fawning, celebratory headlines Slate and Vox
    are going to write about it.

    The prime example is Arishems creative decisions in fashioning this
    team of minor divinities: A Chinese woman, a Middle-Aged white woman, a Hispanic woman, a deaf woman, an androgynous child, a Korean man, an
    American black man, an Indian man, and, finally, a pair of Gaelic white
    guys.

    This overt rainbow coalition would have been fine if the film had
    bothered to offer some utilitarian explanation for it. How hard would
    it have been to throw in a line about needing to reflect the varieties
    of humans, or some such superhero boilerplate? Instead, the
    unaccountable diversity is taken as such a bedrock, unimpeachable good,
    Zhao and team dont even think they need to clarify it.

    During my press screening, this perfect illustration of ethnic, gender,
    sexual, and ability variety inspired my completely non-politically-
    minded brother to lean over and whisper: So what then even a cosmic
    space deity is worried the woke mob will come after him if he doesnt
    get the representation right?

    With Eternals, it seems clear Feige has officially won the struggle
    for wokeness. The revelation that one member of the team is gay is no
    quick aside Disney can easily disentangle to pass muster with Chinese
    censors. He is black and has a husband of a different ethnic minority.
    They dote in the suburbs over a little boy; they linger long in a kiss.

    The same impulse to make statements also led Feige to tap Chloe Zhao,
    an art-house Oscar-winner to helm this project. He and others at Disney
    have celebrated it as a step forward in politics, not story-telling. It
    shows.

    The best Marvel movies have always come from the scruffy guys rising up
    from the unrespectable genres of horror and comedy. Directors like
    Taika Waititi, James Gunn, and the Russo Brothers had histories making crowd-pleasers on shoe-string budgets. Zhao has a history of inspiring
    deep think-pieces in The Atlantic. Shes done wonderful work as a
    meditative auteur, but shes a terrible fit for Marvel.

    At times this striving to celebrate global cultures juxtaposed with
    American progressive sexual ethics grows ridiculously obtuse and
    contradictory. As when the gay Eternal decides to journey to the Middle
    East, a land portrayed as a glittering, exotic gem in the desert sands.
    Again, a joke from my brother, whispered a little too loudly across the
    dark theaterThe LGBT guys going to Iraq?! Dont think hes going to
    like it there

    In short, this is a movie chock-full of important messages that are
    ripe for lampooning by the very guys who used to be Marvels target
    audience.

    Thats not to say the MCU eschewed politics in its best movies but
    they were interesting politics that grappled with real complexity.

    What responsibility do independent nations have to the well-being of
    the rest of the world? (Black Panther). What are the best means to
    combat religious fanaticism when you inhabit a tolerant, pluralistic
    society? (Guardians of the Galaxy). What culpability do powerful
    actors have when the law of unintended consequences ultimately come
    home to roost (Avengers: Age of Ultron). Are bureaucracy and
    government oversight a necessary evil or just evil? (Captain America:
    Civil War).

    Now, the questions are no more interesting or authentic than a yard
    sign in an expensive, urban neighborhood. Full of virtue and self-
    importance, signifying nothing.

    Girl power! (Captain Marvel). Racial grievance! (Falcon and the
    Winter Soldier). Patriarchy! (Black Widow). Even if your ideology is
    in line with these preoccupations, wheres the discovery, wheres the
    thrill in watching a gender or race studies lecture given by guys
    dressed up in tights? It largely has the effect of reminding you, Huh,
    Im a grown woman watching guys dressed up tights.

    This doesnt mean, of course, that Marvel still wont have some hits on
    its hands with the old guard. Thor, Spider-Man, the Guardians, and a
    few fan favoritesestablished before the political themes grew easy,
    cheap, and flatwill still put backsides in seats, no doubt. But
    Marvels natural lifecycle is drawing to an end. A long slow slide into mediocrity and irrelevance has begun.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Thu Jan 20 21:07:34 2022
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    On Jan 20, 2022 at 11:05:01 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    In article <sq4tme$sp6$32@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    "Get woke, go broke" is a popular adage in the conservative community.
    But is there any truth to it?

    Some critics are saying that the massive success of the new movie,
    SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME, shows beyond a doubt that movie audiences
    are seeking films with substance and heart, not woke messaging that's
    nothing more than thinly veiled propaganda for Leftist causes.

    And some proof they're citing is how NO WAY HOME just smashed box
    office expectations, raking in $253 million domestically opening
    weekend, according to Variety. Before this, no post-COVID-19 film had
    managed to cross the $100 million mark in just one weekend.

    Others have tried, however. SPIDER-MAN's monstrous success comes in
    the recent wake of Spielberg's huge WEST SIDE STORY flop that failed
    despite an aggressive marketing campaign in Hollywood. Critics blamed a >>> surge in the virus with the Omicron variant going strong as a reason
    people just didn't want to go to the movies. But NO WAY HOME proves
    there's something else going on.

    Critics and fans both adore the latest Spider-Man movie, with the
    Observer calling it, "An overflowing, funnel-web cornucopia of treats
    for Spider-fans." A ReelViews critic said, "As superhero movies go,
    this one offers its share of satisfying moments and is guaranteed to
    warm the heart of any Spider-Man movie fan, regardless of when their
    fandom started."

    The consensus is that this film was made with the fans in mind and
    differs from what Disney has done in the past. This is likely because,
    technically, Sony still owns the film rights and creative control
    despite being under the gigantic Disney umbrella.

    And then there was Breitbart, who called out what many moviegoers and
    critics were implying but not explicitly stating.

    "Newsflash: If you make a decent movie that seeks to entertain and move >>> - instead of lecture and shame - we will show up," John Nolte wrote.
    "SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME does precisely that. You will not only have
    a great time at the movies again, but there's no gay, transsexual, or
    racial nonsense. This movie is about only one thing: Delivering the
    goods."

    On the whole, action movies tend to out-perform more thoughtful films.
    But even these types of storylines have been suffering lately. BLACK
    WIDOW bombed because of overtly feminist themes that superseded the
    central narrative. ETERNALS had a similar issue because audiences saw
    the extraordinarily politically correct agenda and rebelled against it.

    Did BLACK WIDOW bomb? I was under the impression that it did decent if
    not spectacular business.

    And what was politically correct about ETERNALS? It was a dud of a
    movie, but I don't think PC was its problem.

    The casting of ETERNALS was pretty damn woke.

    This was one of the few times having a 'rainbow cast' had an actual plot justification for it. I had no problem assuming Arishem made them all
    different races, etc. because he knew they'd have to fight the Deviants everywhere on earth.

    I didn't have nearly the problem with it here that I usually do in Hollywood films where the casting carefully checks every 'diversity' box.

    The original comic book team had a fair number of blondes in it

    I have literally zero knowledge of the comic basis for the movie. I'd never even heard of the Eternals before. I actually had it confused with the
    Inhumans and thought for the longest time that this was a movie version of
    that TV series from about five years ago. It was only after I was about 20 minutes into the movie that I realized they're two completely different stories.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Jan 21 18:55:25 2022
    On 2022-01-21 01:22:25 +0000, Ubiquitous said:

    "Eternals" Signals The End Of Marvel As We Knew It

    If Eternals is any indication, Marvels glory days are officially
    behind it.
    <snip>

    Hollyweird has simply become infested with talentless idiots with zero
    creative ability. They lazily make remakes / reboots of old movies /
    shows, or lazily churn out lots and lots of movies / shows within the
    same few franchises ... then they sit there wondering why viewers are
    getting bored. :-(

    Then there the latest (so-called) "Batman", which is ridiculously
    almost 3 hours long.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 23 01:31:09 2022
    The movie is drivel. Cheeseball morality like from a 1930's serial, pathetic "heroes" bent on navel-gazing and giving every killer villain a "second chance" and lousy second-banana. one-note side kicks who could be dispensed with easily. All they have
    going for them is $120M in special effects which becomes tedious after the first half-hour. All I could think while watching it was, "give me a violent horror movie, or a real war movie and spare me this PG-rated slop.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to RichA on Sat Jan 29 06:15:15 2022
    On 1/23/2022 3:31 AM, RichA wrote:
    The movie is drivel. Cheeseball morality like from a 1930's serial, pathetic "heroes" bent on navel-gazing and giving every killer villain a "second chance"


    So you're unfamiliar with how comics work?

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to gmsin...@gmail.com on Sat Feb 12 15:53:42 2022
    On Saturday, 29 January 2022 at 07:15:19 UTC-5, gmsin...@gmail.com wrote:
    On 1/23/2022 3:31 AM, RichA wrote:
    The movie is drivel. Cheeseball morality like from a 1930's serial, pathetic "heroes" bent on navel-gazing and giving every killer villain a "second chance"
    So you're unfamiliar with how comics work?

    Except they aren't all bad. A couple of the X-Men movies were pretty decent. My response to this one? "Ho-hum, NEXT!"

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