• THE POWER OF THE DOG (Netflix)

    From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 08:03:33 2021
    I had learned more than I should have about the story and actually
    feared I wouldn't like the movie. In fact, I didn't at first, but I'm
    glad I stuck with it last night. I'm still pondering it this morning.

    It's 1925 Montana (filmed in New Zealand) and a widow runs a boarding
    house with her early twenties son who's clearly not the masculine type.
    She marries a very nice and very wealthy rancher (Landry from Friday
    Night Lights) who shares a prairie mansion he's inherited along with his equally wealthy and much less nice brother (Sherlock from Sherlock). And
    then a story plays out.

    The film is beautiful; the gorgeousness practically overwhelms at times.
    I want to ride to the ranch in a Model T, spend weeks in that home,
    sleep in a feather bed, dine on their food, take a dip in that stream,
    breathe the pristine air flavored with the scent of that corral. The
    movie didn't just make it all look real, but it took me there, made me
    feel I was present. This film is a lock to get the AA for cinematography
    -- I have spoken.

    I wouldn't say there are holes in the plot exactly. I mean it's not like
    some things contradict other things. It's more that there are gaps in
    the story, some pretty major, that the viewer is left to fill in on his
    own. The arc of the story is easy to follow, but little things -- how
    did he know to go there, why burn things of value, what's the deal with
    mom and pop -- the movie just doesn't say. I think. Maybe I missed
    something, but I'm pretty sure I was paying attention. Still, the gaps
    didn't really impact my overall enjoyment of the movie.

    It's beautiful, it's smart and I felt rewarded. Have a look.

    --

    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From william ahearn@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sat Dec 18 11:41:11 2021
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:03:49 AM UTC-5, Bill Anderson wrote:
    I had learned more than I should have about the story and actually
    feared I wouldn't like the movie. In fact, I didn't at first, but I'm
    glad I stuck with it last night. I'm still pondering it this morning.

    I started it and then bailed. Jane Campion is not a go-to director for me. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to william ahearn on Sat Dec 18 14:20:05 2021
    On 12/18/2021 1:41 PM, william ahearn wrote:
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:03:49 AM UTC-5, Bill Anderson wrote:
    I had learned more than I should have about the story and actually
    feared I wouldn't like the movie. In fact, I didn't at first, but I'm
    glad I stuck with it last night. I'm still pondering it this morning.

    I started it and then bailed. Jane Campion is not a go-to director for me. Maybe I'll give it another shot.


    So "not a go to director" is a reason for you not to see a movie? Thus
    you're unable to watch first time directors? Are you trolling to be
    told you're cheesy as fuck?

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  • From Jim Bozley@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Tue Dec 21 11:19:01 2021
    On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 09:03:49 UTC-5, Bill Anderson wrote:

    I wouldn't say there are holes in the plot exactly. I mean it's not like
    some things contradict other things. It's more that there are gaps in
    the story, some pretty major, that the viewer is left to fill in on his
    own.

    Haven't seen "Dog" yet, but generally I really like that in movies.

    The arc of the story is easy to follow, but little things -- how
    did he know to go there, why burn things of value, what's the deal with
    mom and pop -- the movie just doesn't say. I think. Maybe I missed
    something, but I'm pretty sure I was paying attention. Still, the gaps
    didn't really impact my overall enjoyment of the movie.

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  • From william ahearn@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Tue Dec 21 18:20:44 2021
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:03:49 AM UTC-5, Bill Anderson wrote:

    I wouldn't say there are holes in the plot exactly. I mean it's not like some things contradict other things. It's more that there are gaps in
    the story, some pretty major, that the viewer is left to fill in on his
    own. The arc of the story is easy to follow, but little things -- how
    did he know to go there, why burn things of value, what's the deal with
    mom and pop -- the movie just doesn't say. I think. Maybe I missed something, but I'm pretty sure I was paying attention. Still, the gaps didn't really impact my overall enjoyment of the movie.

    It's beautiful, it's smart and I felt rewarded. Have a look.

    I agree with a lot of what you wrote but I came away thinking I should be wearing a Tennessee Williams Dude Ranch T-shirt. The submerged manliness, the ghost howling through the friendships, the symbolism of the mountain view, the alcoholic wife, and etc
    and etc.

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  • From tomcervo@21:1/5 to wlah...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 24 09:33:54 2021
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:41:23 PM UTC-5, wlah...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:03:49 AM UTC-5, Bill Anderson wrote:
    I had learned more than I should have about the story and actually
    feared I wouldn't like the movie. In fact, I didn't at first, but I'm
    glad I stuck with it last night. I'm still pondering it this morning.

    I started it and then bailed. Jane Campion is not a go-to director for me. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

    Maybe think of it as a slow building "Shadow of a Doubt".

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  • From william ahearn@21:1/5 to tomcervo on Fri Dec 24 15:17:35 2021
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 12:33:56 PM UTC-5, tomcervo wrote:
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:41:23 PM UTC-5, wlah...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:03:49 AM UTC-5, Bill Anderson wrote:
    I had learned more than I should have about the story and actually
    feared I wouldn't like the movie. In fact, I didn't at first, but I'm glad I stuck with it last night. I'm still pondering it this morning.

    I started it and then bailed. Jane Campion is not a go-to director for me. Maybe I'll give it another shot.
    Maybe think of it as a slow building "Shadow of a Doubt".

    Have you seen the movie?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to william ahearn on Fri Dec 24 23:46:42 2021
    On 12/21/2021 9:20 PM, william ahearn wrote:
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:03:49 AM UTC-5, Bill Anderson wrote:

    I wouldn't say there are holes in the plot exactly. I mean it's not like
    some things contradict other things. It's more that there are gaps in
    the story, some pretty major, that the viewer is left to fill in on his
    own. The arc of the story is easy to follow, but little things -- how
    did he know to go there, why burn things of value, what's the deal with
    mom and pop -- the movie just doesn't say. I think. Maybe I missed
    something, but I'm pretty sure I was paying attention. Still, the gaps
    didn't really impact my overall enjoyment of the movie.

    It's beautiful, it's smart and I felt rewarded. Have a look.

    I agree with a lot of what you wrote but I came away thinking I should be wearing a Tennessee Williams Dude Ranch T-shirt. The submerged manliness, the ghost howling through the friendships, the symbolism of the mountain view, the alcoholic wife, and
    etc and etc.

    'Cattle On A Hot Tin Roof'.

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sun Aug 28 13:55:22 2022
    On 12/18/2021 8:03 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    I had learned more than I should have about the story and actually
    feared I wouldn't like the movie.  In fact, I didn't at first, but I'm
    glad I stuck with it last night. I'm still pondering it this morning.

    It's 1925 Montana (filmed in New Zealand) and a widow runs a boarding
    house with her early twenties son who's clearly not the masculine type.
    She marries a very nice and very wealthy rancher (Landry from Friday
    Night Lights) who shares a prairie mansion he's inherited along with his equally wealthy and much less nice brother (Sherlock from Sherlock). And
    then a story plays out.

    The film is beautiful; the gorgeousness practically overwhelms at times.
    I want to ride to the ranch in a Model T, spend weeks in that home,
    sleep in a feather bed, dine on their food, take a dip in that stream, breathe the pristine air flavored with the scent of that corral. The
    movie didn't just make it all look real, but it took me there, made me
    feel I was present. This film is a lock to get the AA for cinematography
    -- I have spoken.

    I wouldn't say there are holes in the plot exactly. I mean it's not like
    some things contradict other things.  It's more that there are gaps in
    the story, some pretty major, that the viewer is left to fill in on his
    own. The arc of the story is easy to follow, but little things -- how
    did he know to go there, why burn things of value, what's the deal with
     mom and pop -- the movie just doesn't say. I think. Maybe I missed something, but I'm pretty sure I was paying attention.  Still, the gaps didn't really impact my overall enjoyment of the movie.

    It's beautiful, it's smart and I felt rewarded. Have a look.


    Finally got around to reading the book, partly in hopes I'd enjoy it (I
    did) and partly in hopes it would explain some things (it did.).

    The book's prose is as gorgeous as the film's cinematography. The
    author, Thomas Savage, grew up wealthy in Montana, living on ranches
    like the one in the movie. His prose descriptions of the mountains, the
    prairie grasses, the clean air, the smells, the animals...are like
    poetry and just as descriptive as the movie's magnificent cinematography.

    The old folks left the ranch because they couldn't stand living with
    their son Phil.

    Phil befriended the kid only to hurt the mother, but maybe it's hinted
    sorta maybe he was getting other ideas before he died.

    The kid had been told the hills were full of carcasses of cattle that
    died of anthrax and he just kept looking until he found one.

    Phil burned the hides because he couldn't stand the thought of traveling
    Jews buying them up and selling them at a profit. Having Rose sell them
    was really a plot device to allow the kid to offer Phil some other
    rawhide to finish the rope. He said he'd acquired it so he could learn
    to braid a rope like Phil.

    The book is far more oblique than the movie about Phil's suppressed homosexuality. According to Annie Proulx in an updated afterward to the
    book, she was approached by Jane Campion and her producer to get her
    opinion about whether Phil and Bronco Henry ever consummated their
    affection. Proulx assured them that Savage's poetic description of
    foliage in a pertinent passage contains all the coded references anyone
    who knows coded references would need to understand that of course they
    got it on. Apparently such subjects were not discussed openly in novels
    when this one was written. The book doesn't mention any muscle
    magazines.

    It's quite a story and I thought the book was well worth my time. Annie
    Proulx can't understand and neither can I why the immensely talented
    Thomas Savage and his novels are not better known.

    --
    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty Favog

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