... to be actively avoided.
On 2021-10-18 19:38:00 +0000, alvey said:
<snip>
... to be actively avoided.
Basically sums up Dune in all its boring forms. :-p
On 2021-10-18 19:38:00 +0000, alvey said:
<snip>
... to be actively avoided.
Basically sums up Dune in all its boring forms. :-p
On 2021-10-18 19:38:00 +0000, alvey said:
<snip>
... to be actively avoided.
Basically sums up Dune in all its boring forms. :-p
alvey
And the actress playing Lady Jessica got it all wrong.
Rather than being an beautiful, confident & aristocratic schemer Rebecca Ferguson played it like a simpering Scandiwegian milkmaid.
Anyhoo, not recommended. Or if you've read the book, to be actively avoided.
alvey
And the actress playing Lady Jessica got it all wrong.
Rather than being an beautiful, confident & aristocratic schemer Rebecca
Ferguson played it like a simpering Scandiwegian milkmaid.
Agreed, though it's not the actresses fault, as she's just doing what the director
directs her to do.
I was also miffed that they didn't film the dinner party in Arrakeen scene, as this not only is a great scene with all kinda good lines of dialog and opportunity for the actors to do their thing, it hints at the impending events.
They also dropped the scene of Dr.Yueh talking to Jessica about his wife, which sets up his betrayal of the Atreides and this is pretty important. Without it, those who haven't read the books are left wondering why he
did what he did.
Also, the scene of Paul and Jessica flying thru the dust storm to escape the Harkonnens went on W A Y too long and the time should have been used for
the stuff above. Not only is the scene not very important to the story but visually there's nothing there; it's just a sand yellow tinted cockpit with the
characters bouncing around.
The movie generally skips over the set-up for the Harkonnen attack, which makes me worried that the director is rushing into a love story with Paul and Chani, which the story is _not_ about.
Anyhoo, not recommended. Or if you've read the book, to be actively avoided.
I thought it was well done overall, other then what I mentioned above, it sticks
pretty close to the book.
Anyhoo, not recommended. Or if you've read the book, to be actively
avoided.
alvey wrote:
Anyhoo, not recommended. Or if you've read the book, to be actively
avoided.
I concur; I didn't read the book but I did see both this 2021 version
and the Lynch version. It's been a while since I saw the Lynch version
so I'll try to remember the story details but I'll probably get some
of them wrong.
I won't be seeing more Dune. I'm done with Dune. For me it's not the
case of Dune being too difficult to translate into a movie, it's a
case of Dune not being worth the effort of translation.
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
That's an interesting take: I don't like the movie, so the book is bad.
That's not what I said, so your glib attempt at a joke is lame and
bad. I didn't review the book. I reviewed the story I had been shown
in the movies.
I won't be seeing more Dune. I'm done with Dune. For me it's not the
case of Dune being too difficult to translate into a movie, it's a
case of Dune not being worth the effort of translation.
That's an interesting take: I don't like the movie, so the book is bad.
I don't see another way to take that than as a diss of the source
material (book). Which is fine -- I don't like the book as much as
many people do. But I came to that conclusion after reading it.
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
I don't see another way to take that than as a diss of the source
material (book). Which is fine -- I don't like the book as much as
many people do. But I came to that conclusion after reading it.
A reasonable interpretation is not to assume that I'm critiquing the
book which I explicitly mentioned I hadn't read but that I'm
discussing the two Dune movie variants I wrote that I saw.
J.B. Nicholson
alvey
Anyhoo, not recommended. Or if you've read the book, to be actively avoided.
I didn't read the book
but I did see both this 2021 version and the Lynch version
If you haven’t read the book(s) then you can’t say the story sucks
and isn’t worth adapting.
In article <slrnsnhs5i.5keq.jbn@forestfield.org>,
J.B. Nicholson <jbn@forestfield.org> wrote:
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
I don't see another way to take that than as a diss of the source
material (book). Which is fine -- I don't like the book as much as
many people do. But I came to that conclusion after reading it.
A reasonable interpretation is not to assume that I'm critiquing the
book which I explicitly mentioned I hadn't read but that I'm
discussing the two Dune movie variants I wrote that I saw.
OK. I think I will see it this weekend, for better or worse.
J.B. Nicholson
Ed Stasiak
If you haven’t read the book(s) then you can’t say the story sucks
and isn’t worth adapting.
Sure I can, in fact I already did.
It's unfortunate that you didn't like the Lynch Dune movie
No, you're saying the 1984 and 2021 movies story sucks, you haven't
read the original story and so you can't say it sucks.
Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
No, you're saying the 1984 and 2021 movies story sucks, you haven't
read the original story and so you can't say it sucks.
The gatekeeping you and one other poster bring up here suggests you
two have some other interest in defending the story against anyone who
dares to critique it. Since I initially posted on this thread friends
of mine who have read the first book told me that the Lynch movie is a reasonable adaptation of that story.
interviews around the release of Lynch's Dune Frank Herbert seems to
be fine with the Lynch movie.
get enough of the story to be sufficiently well-versed in it to stand
by my views of both movies and I remain convinced that Dune is simply
highly overrated.
alvey
And the actress playing Lady Jessica got it all wrong.
Rather than being an beautiful, confident & aristocratic schemer Rebecca
Ferguson played it like a simpering Scandiwegian milkmaid.
Agreed, though it's not the actresses fault, as she's just doing what the director
directs her to do.
I was also miffed that they didn't film the dinner party in Arrakeen scene, as this not only is a great scene with all kinda good lines of dialog and opportunity for the actors to do their thing, it hints at the impending events.
They also dropped the scene of Dr.Yueh talking to Jessica about his wife, which sets up his betrayal of the Atreides and this is pretty important. Without it, those who haven't read the books are left wondering why he
did what he did.
Also, the scene of Paul and Jessica flying thru the dust storm to escape the Harkonnens went on W A Y too long and the time should have been used for
the stuff above. Not only is the scene not very important to the story but visually there's nothing there; it's just a sand yellow tinted cockpit with the
characters bouncing around.
The movie generally skips over the set-up for the Harkonnen attack, which makes me worried that the director is rushing into a love story with Paul and Chani, which the story is _not_ about.
Anyhoo, not recommended. Or if you've read the book, to be actively avoided.
I thought it was well done overall, other then what I mentioned above, it sticks
pretty close to the book.
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least as
far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's
movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild, though...
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least as
far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's
movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild, though...
I suspect we'll encounter the Guild at a later point. If I remember correctly, they didn't really manifest as individuals in the first book
which was a clear change in the Lynch movie.
On 11/3/2021 8:40 AM, Otto J. Makela wrote:
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least as
far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's
movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild, though...
I suspect we'll encounter the Guild at a later point. If I remember
correctly, they didn't really manifest as individuals in the first book
which was a clear change in the Lynch movie.
I only vaguely remember them as a political presence. But I thought the "technology" they afforded was one of 'Dune's better sci-fi conceits.
On 11/3/2021 9:26 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/3/2021 8:40 AM, Otto J. Makela wrote:
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least as
far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's
movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild, though...
I suspect we'll encounter the Guild at a later point. If I remember
correctly, they didn't really manifest as individuals in the first book
which was a clear change in the Lynch movie.
I only vaguely remember them as a political presence. But I thought
the "technology" they afforded was one of 'Dune's better sci-fi conceits.
Tech was never a focus of Herbert, intrigue was.
On 11/7/2021 2:39 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/7/2021 2:33 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 11/3/2021 9:26 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/3/2021 8:40 AM, Otto J. Makela wrote:
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least as >>>>>> far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's >>>>>> movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild,
though...
I suspect we'll encounter the Guild at a later point. If I remember
correctly, they didn't really manifest as individuals in the first
book
which was a clear change in the Lynch movie.
I only vaguely remember them as a political presence. But I thought
the "technology" they afforded was one of 'Dune's better sci-fi
conceits.
Tech was never a focus of Herbert, intrigue was.
...which is perhaps why that particular tech wafted into mysticism.
Yeah, I would say it's as much fantasy as science fiction. In fact, does science really enter into it?
On 11/7/2021 2:33 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 11/3/2021 9:26 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/3/2021 8:40 AM, Otto J. Makela wrote:
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least asI suspect we'll encounter the Guild at a later point. If I remember
far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's
movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild, though... >>>>
correctly, they didn't really manifest as individuals in the first book >>>> which was a clear change in the Lynch movie.
I only vaguely remember them as a political presence. But I thought
the "technology" they afforded was one of 'Dune's better sci-fi
conceits.
Tech was never a focus of Herbert, intrigue was.
...which is perhaps why that particular tech wafted into mysticism.
Yeah, I would say it's as much fantasy as science fiction. In fact,
does science really enter into it?
On 11/7/2021 2:39 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/7/2021 2:33 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 11/3/2021 9:26 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/3/2021 8:40 AM, Otto J. Makela wrote:
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least as >>>>>> far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's >>>>>> movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild, though... >>>>>I suspect we'll encounter the Guild at a later point. If I remember
correctly, they didn't really manifest as individuals in the first book >>>>> which was a clear change in the Lynch movie.
I only vaguely remember them as a political presence. But I
thought the "technology" they afforded was one of 'Dune's better
sci-fi conceits.
Tech was never a focus of Herbert, intrigue was.
...which is perhaps why that particular tech wafted into mysticism.
Yeah, I would say it's as much fantasy as science fiction. In fact,
does science really enter into it?
Well, the plausibility of giant mobile creatures is always dicey, but I
did like the just-loopy-enough idea of warping space (with spice) to
achieve interstellar travel.
On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 17:01:15 -0500, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
Well, the plausibility of giant mobile creatures is always dicey, but I
did like the just-loopy-enough idea of warping space (with spice) to
achieve interstellar travel.
It's been a while since I've read the books, but I don't think the
spice was actually used to warp space. It just made the navigators
prescient enough to know which warped paths through space would be
safe to travel.
If you want the proper Dune experience you have to read the book.
On 11/7/2021 4:18 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 11/7/2021 2:39 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/7/2021 2:33 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 11/3/2021 9:26 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 11/3/2021 8:40 AM, Otto J. Makela wrote:
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
I think "well done overall" sums up my reaction, too ...at least as >>>>>>> far as recreating the book's ambience. (This was an Art Director's >>>>>>> movie, and I thought they pulled it off.) Do miss the Guild,
though...
I suspect we'll encounter the Guild at a later point. If I remember >>>>>> correctly, they didn't really manifest as individuals in the first >>>>>> book
which was a clear change in the Lynch movie.
I only vaguely remember them as a political presence. But I
thought the "technology" they afforded was one of 'Dune's better
sci-fi conceits.
Tech was never a focus of Herbert, intrigue was.
...which is perhaps why that particular tech wafted into mysticism.
Yeah, I would say it's as much fantasy as science fiction. In fact,
does science really enter into it?
Well, the plausibility of giant mobile creatures is always dicey, but I
did like the just-loopy-enough idea of warping space (with spice) to
achieve interstellar travel. One reviewer had the temerity to compare
this movie to STAR WARS, as if they were in the same genre...
On 11/8/2021 7:36 AM, Bice wrote:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 17:01:15 -0500, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
Well, the plausibility of giant mobile creatures is always dicey, but I
did like the just-loopy-enough idea of warping space (with spice) to
achieve interstellar travel.
It's been a while since I've read the books, but I don't think the
spice was actually used to warp space. It just made the navigators
prescient enough to know which warped paths through space would be
safe to travel.
A while for me, too, and I'll readily defer. Nor did I mean any
methodology specific enough to exclude that description.
trotsky
J.B. Nicholson
The gatekeeping you and one other poster bring up here suggests you
two have some other interest in defending the story against anyone who dares to critique it.
Since I initially posted on this thread friends of mine who have read the first book told me that the Lynch movie is a reasonable adaptation of
that story.
I can't tell if you're lying or just misinformed. According to wiki the "rough cut" of the movie was over four hours long, and there was a 186 minute version of the story that was shown on TV that Lynch disavowed.
So much more story was shot, but it sounds like Lynch wanted a link that could be shown in the theaters that wasn't too long so it stands to
reason a large amount of storytelling was missing from his version.
According to the early-80s interviews around the release of Lynch's
Dune Frank Herbert seems to be fine with the Lynch movie.
A Google search doesn't yield any such comments, and I wonder if
they exist.
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