• We Just Proved The Gender Affirming Care Industry Is A Scam

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 04:30:43 2023
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.transgendered

    One of the arguments you hear a lot in the debate over gender ideology,
    across the political spectrum, is that adults should be able to do what they want. This is the supposedly “moderate” position. Several presidential candidates believe it. Millions of Americans believe it, too. As long as you stay away from the kids, they tell you, then there’s no problem. The moment
    you hit 18-years-old, do what you want. “Live your truth.”

    It’s not hard to see why that position is tempting for so many people.
    Children obviously can’t consent to life-altering procedures, including
    genital mutilation and castration. Adults, on the other hand, are able to consent to a lot of things. They can vote, buy guns, and serve in the
    military. So, if they want to pay a doctor to carve up their bodies, then what’s the big deal? That’s the argument you hear again and again.

    No one really means it, though. And you know that because none of the people making that argument would use the same reasoning to justify, say,
    lobotomies. If you walked into a doctor’s office today and asked him to drill
    a hole in your head and sever your prefrontal cortex in order to make you
    feel better about your life, he’d say no. If he did it, he’d go to prison. No amount of informed consent — no matter how old you were — could possibly justify it. It’s barbaric. Tens of thousands of people’s lives were ruined by lobotomies. And everyone recognizes that now. No one’s marching in defense of “lobotomy-affirming care.”

    So, if you defend these gruesome “gender-affirming” procedures on adults, you’re not really saying that adults should be able to do what they want. You’re saying that, yes, people can change their sex if they want. You’re conceding that these procedures — slicing up a woman’s arm to make a fake penis, lopping off healthy breasts, grafting fake nipples onto patients’ chests, et cetera — are medically reasonable. And in the absence of any kind
    of statistical data about positive long-term outcomes of these surgeries, you’re trusting the doctors to follow an established standard of care. You’re assuming they’re not going to just mutilate anyone who walks in the door, without regard for what happens to these people afterwards.

    The problem is that the entire industry of “gender affirming care” is a scam. We know that because we just spent weeks investigating the largest providers
    of so-called “trans healthcare” in the country. We went undercover at one of them.

    What we found is that there are no real “standards of care” governing any of this. To be clear, there are “standards of care” on paper, and they’re
    provided by the transgender activist group WPATH. WPATH’s standards are used
    by major hospitals in this country, including UCLA, UCSF, and Mass General, just to name a few.

    How rigorous are these standards, exactly? After a 22-minute video call, the largest “trans healthcare” provider in the country — carefully following the WPATH guidelines — approved one of my producers, Gregg Re, for an
    orchiectomy. That means testicle removal. Now, 22 minutes would be a record time to get approved for an orchiectomy if you had a real medical reason for it, like testicular cancer. It’s insane to approve any serious procedure that quickly, having just met a patient on a video call for the first time. But that’s what happened.

    We recorded the whole call. At no point did anyone at this health care provider, which is called “Plume,” push back in any way. They didn’t suggest that maybe, this was a rash course of action. They didn’t verify any of the information Gregg provided, including his fake legal name. All “Plume” did
    was insist that he pay $150. If Gregg did that, they promised to write him a medically sound letter in support of life-altering surgery. That letter,
    under the WPATH standards, is required for anyone trying to get transgender surgery in the United States. You have to get one of these letters from a healthcare provider and present it to your surgeon. And Plume rubber-stamped Gregg’s letter in 22 minutes. And not all of that time was spent discussing
    the surgery, by the way. Some of the conversation was about traffic, and the weather.

    We’ve uploaded footage of the call on Twitter. In this video call, Gregg assumed the name “Chelsea Bussey.” He did not dress up as a woman. He didn’t wear any women’s clothing or makeup. He didn’t go to Party City and dye his hair blue. He just told them he identified as a woman and that he was taking hormones prescribed by his father. Gregg couldn’t even pronounce the name of the surgery he wanted, calling it an “orchi-dect-omy.” He claimed at one
    point that the reason he wanted the surgery is that it would speed up his nonexistent transition, which the Plume nurse said didn’t make any sense from
    a medical perspective. But none of this raised any red flags for Plume. The nurse told Gregg she wanted to write him the strongest letter she could.
    Watch:

    10/ Plume quickly scheduled Gregg for a video interview anyway. He
    assumed the identity "Chelsea Bussey.” He didn’t even attempt to
    pass. He badly mispronounced the name of the surgery he wanted. He
    made it clear he didn't know what effect the surgery would have.
    pic.twitter.com/ph8UbM3i6r

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    11/ Nevertheless, Plume’s nurse practitioner said she wanted to
    write the most "solid" letter possible to justify surgery. Gregg
    tells her that he once wrote an essay in school about being a woman,
    which everyone thought was ridiculous. pic.twitter.com/iY7Ec3Q1wd

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    12/ Gregg also tells Plume’s nurse practitioner that his father has
    been prescribing him hormones for years. The nurse doesn’t question
    this in any way. Instead, she says that arrangement is “perfect.”
    pic.twitter.com/YsB4BEkUpu

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    A couple days after that interview, as we documented on Twitter, Plume sent Gregg a letter diagnosing him with significant and ongoing gender dysphoria. Therefore, Plume said, he was an “appropriate candidate for Orchiectomy.” According to Plume, testicle removal would help Gregg make “significant progress” in alleviating his dysphoria. Even after Gregg followed up with
    text messages to Plume, explaining that he doesn’t have dysphoria, they
    didn’t retract or amend that letter in any way.

    13/ Three days later, Plume sent this letter to "Chelsea Bussey” –
    who does not exist — saying he was experiencing "significant, ongoing
    gender dysphoria.” The letter strongly recommended “Chelsea” for
    testicle removal. pic.twitter.com/WzIMsjygS6

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    There’s no excuse for that. Plume had multiple opportunities to tell the
    truth in their letter, and they chose not to. In his intake form, Gregg indicated he didn’t have dysphoria for 6 months or more. That means, under
    the current version of the DSM, he never should have been diagnosed with it
    in the first place. But Plume never once asked Gregg about this in his video interview. Instead they just said he had dysphoria in his letter, which they intended to be used by a surgeon who would then carve up Gregg’s testicles.

    Why didn’t Plume amend the letter once they were made aware that Gregg didn’t have dysphoria? As Plume’s nurse explained, “in order for the surgery to be paid for,” the diagnosis would need to remain. In other words, insurance companies won’t pay for the operation unless the letter contains a diagnosis
    of gender dysphoria. That’s why Plume uses templates that include the gender dysphoria diagnostic code. It appears that they plug whatever information patients feed them into the template, whether or not those patients actually have the diagnosis. The templates are provided by WPATH, by the way — Plume admitted that to us.

    It’s not hard to conclude that this operation is fraudulent, but what do insurers think of it? What’s Aetna and United Healthcare’s position on paying for surgeries based on cooked-up diagnostic codes? How about Cigna? We understand those insurance companies work directly with Plume. What about
    David Sacks, whose venture capital firm is one of many that’s funding Plume? What are his thoughts on this? Is he aware this is happening? Those are good questions.

    But the problem is much bigger than Plume. They’re far from the only ones
    doing this.

    Folx, for example, is a major competitor of Plume. They’re in almost every state in the country. They’re also extremely well-funded by venture capitalists. Folx, like Plume, also sells letters that authorize surgeries under the WPATH guidelines. On their website, Folx admits, “It’s quite
    possible the information in a letter may not be specific to you. For example, they may use a gender dysphoria diagnosis, but you really do not have dysphoria… You may not fit this diagnostic code exactly, but in some cases,
    the code is needed in order for insurers to pay for the surgery.” We reached out to Folx to ask about this. They confirmed that a “diagnosis” — in scare quotes — was necessary in order for insurance companies to pay out.

    Again, that’s probably news to the insurance companies. But the bigger issue, of course, is what’s happening to the patients who are mutilated as part of this process. It’s not just Plume and Folx who are authorizing surgeries like this. There’s a whole network of doctors who crank out these letters. It’s called the Gender Affirmative Letter Access Project, or G.A.L.A.P.

    Think of the lives these doctors and these companies are destroying for
    profit. If they’ll approve Gregg for castration, they’ll approve anyone. Many of the luminaries in the field will admit that, by the way. On Twitter, we highlighted this training session from the Juniper Center, which is one of
    the largest gender therapy practices in the Chicago land area. Watch as the licensed clinical social worker, named Ari Groner, explains that she’ll rubber-stamp whatever letter patients want. She says she’ll even authorize a suicidal patient for surgery, because she’s not a “gatekeeper.” In fact,
    Groner says that if her patient is suicidal, that would just make the case
    for surgery even stronger. Listen to this:

    2/ First, some background. Ari Groner is a licensed clinical social
    worker who educates doctors on “trans healthcare.” At a recent
    training session for the Juniper Center, Groner explained that she
    writes whatever letters her patients want, because she’s not a
    “gatekeeper.” pic.twitter.com/8CVUWiYetY

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    If you’re defending “gender affirming care” for adults, this is what you’re supporting. You’re saying it’s reasonable for medical professionals to listen to a suicidal patient, who isn’t thinking clearly, and approve them for surgical castration within minutes. You’re saying there should be no barriers to this kind of mutilation, whatsoever. At that point, why not bring back lobotomies? What’s the serious, principled argument against it?

    No serious person can defend this industry. It’s completely corrupted, at
    every level. It’s not just targeting children, although it’s certainly doing that as well. The underlying claims and promises of the entire “gender affirmation” industry are lies, and the lies are propped up by even more
    lies. And we’ll have much more on WPATH soon, and how they became so
    prominent in this field. It’s a truly disturbing story. Their supposedly rigorous standards of care are purpose-built to be manipulated, as we’ve now revealed.

    The practical effect of these WPATH standards isn’t to protect patients. Instead, the WPATH standards protect doctors who butcher their patients.
    These doctors understand that they need to follow some “standard of care,” or else they’ll eventually get sued into the ground for malpractice by the patients they’re disfiguring. So medical providers point to the WPATH standards, and say, “look — we followed those standards. These gruesome surgeries are in fact legitimate medical care!”

    Now it’s time to put an end to this. Insurance companies should cut off these providers. Investors should stop funding this barbarism. And at the political level, we need laws so that any doctor who mutilates patients, or lies to insurance companies, goes to prison — regardless of the patients’ age.
    Florida recently passed a law outlawing, among other things, “trans
    telehealth” services. They require in-person visits for most of these procedures. That’s a start — which is why the media and the trans activists
    are furious about it. They’re probably going to sue to block that portion of the law, just like they blocked the part of the law outlawing child
    castration yesterday.

    But once people see the truth about what’s happening, the radical gender activists won’t win that fight. That’s why we published our investigation today. The truth is obvious and undeniable. Now that the “standards of care” have been exposed for what they are, there’s nothing to stop a flood of lawsuits that could shut down these butchers. We saw it in the U.K. with Tavistock. If something like that happens here, it could save tens of
    thousands of lives.

    This investigation is just one part of what we have planned for Pride Month. We’re going to expose the full extent of the depravity that you’re told to believe is “medically legitimate.” We’re going to show you the truth behind
    all the euphemisms. We’re going to reveal how exactly activists have managed
    to hijack the medical profession so they can mutilate patients for profit.

    This is just the beginning.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Jun 9 09:26:16 2023
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.transgendered

    On 2023-06-09 4:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    One of the arguments you hear a lot in the debate over gender ideology, across the political spectrum, is that adults should be able to do what they want. This is the supposedly “moderate” position. Several presidential candidates believe it. Millions of Americans believe it, too. As long as you stay away from the kids, they tell you, then there’s no problem. The moment you hit 18-years-old, do what you want. “Live your truth.”

    It’s not hard to see why that position is tempting for so many people. Children obviously can’t consent to life-altering procedures, including genital mutilation and castration. Adults, on the other hand, are able to consent to a lot of things. They can vote, buy guns, and serve in the military. So, if they want to pay a doctor to carve up their bodies, then what’s the big deal? That’s the argument you hear again and again.

    No one really means it, though. And you know that because none of the people making that argument would use the same reasoning to justify, say, lobotomies. If you walked into a doctor’s office today and asked him to drill
    a hole in your head and sever your prefrontal cortex in order to make you feel better about your life, he’d say no. If he did it, he’d go to prison. No
    amount of informed consent — no matter how old you were — could possibly justify it. It’s barbaric. Tens of thousands of people’s lives were ruined by
    lobotomies. And everyone recognizes that now. No one’s marching in defense of
    “lobotomy-affirming care.”

    So, if you defend these gruesome “gender-affirming” procedures on adults, you’re not really saying that adults should be able to do what they want. You’re saying that, yes, people can change their sex if they want. You’re conceding that these procedures — slicing up a woman’s arm to make a fake penis, lopping off healthy breasts, grafting fake nipples onto patients’ chests, et cetera — are medically reasonable. And in the absence of any kind
    of statistical data about positive long-term outcomes of these surgeries, you’re trusting the doctors to follow an established standard of care. You’re
    assuming they’re not going to just mutilate anyone who walks in the door, without regard for what happens to these people afterwards.

    The problem is that the entire industry of “gender affirming care” is a scam.
    We know that because we just spent weeks investigating the largest providers of so-called “trans healthcare” in the country. We went undercover at one of
    them.

    What we found is that there are no real “standards of care” governing any of
    this. To be clear, there are “standards of care” on paper, and they’re provided by the transgender activist group WPATH. WPATH’s standards are used
    by major hospitals in this country, including UCLA, UCSF, and Mass General, just to name a few.

    How rigorous are these standards, exactly? After a 22-minute video call, the largest “trans healthcare” provider in the country — carefully following the
    WPATH guidelines — approved one of my producers, Gregg Re, for an orchiectomy. That means testicle removal. Now, 22 minutes would be a record time to get approved for an orchiectomy if you had a real medical reason for it, like testicular cancer. It’s insane to approve any serious procedure that
    quickly, having just met a patient on a video call for the first time. But that’s what happened.

    We recorded the whole call. At no point did anyone at this health care provider, which is called “Plume,” push back in any way. They didn’t suggest
    that maybe, this was a rash course of action. They didn’t verify any of the information Gregg provided, including his fake legal name. All “Plume” did
    was insist that he pay $150. If Gregg did that, they promised to write him a medically sound letter in support of life-altering surgery. That letter, under the WPATH standards, is required for anyone trying to get transgender surgery in the United States. You have to get one of these letters from a healthcare provider and present it to your surgeon. And Plume rubber-stamped Gregg’s letter in 22 minutes. And not all of that time was spent discussing the surgery, by the way. Some of the conversation was about traffic, and the weather.

    We’ve uploaded footage of the call on Twitter. In this video call, Gregg assumed the name “Chelsea Bussey.” He did not dress up as a woman. He didn’t
    wear any women’s clothing or makeup. He didn’t go to Party City and dye his
    hair blue. He just told them he identified as a woman and that he was taking hormones prescribed by his father. Gregg couldn’t even pronounce the name of
    the surgery he wanted, calling it an “orchi-dect-omy.” He claimed at one point that the reason he wanted the surgery is that it would speed up his nonexistent transition, which the Plume nurse said didn’t make any sense from
    a medical perspective. But none of this raised any red flags for Plume. The nurse told Gregg she wanted to write him the strongest letter she could. Watch:

    10/ Plume quickly scheduled Gregg for a video interview anyway. He
    assumed the identity "Chelsea Bussey.” He didn’t even attempt to
    pass. He badly mispronounced the name of the surgery he wanted. He
    made it clear he didn't know what effect the surgery would have.
    pic.twitter.com/ph8UbM3i6r

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    11/ Nevertheless, Plume’s nurse practitioner said she wanted to
    write the most "solid" letter possible to justify surgery. Gregg
    tells her that he once wrote an essay in school about being a woman,
    which everyone thought was ridiculous. pic.twitter.com/iY7Ec3Q1wd

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    12/ Gregg also tells Plume’s nurse practitioner that his father has
    been prescribing him hormones for years. The nurse doesn’t question
    this in any way. Instead, she says that arrangement is “perfect.”
    pic.twitter.com/YsB4BEkUpu

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    A couple days after that interview, as we documented on Twitter, Plume sent Gregg a letter diagnosing him with significant and ongoing gender dysphoria. Therefore, Plume said, he was an “appropriate candidate for Orchiectomy.” According to Plume, testicle removal would help Gregg make “significant progress” in alleviating his dysphoria. Even after Gregg followed up with text messages to Plume, explaining that he doesn’t have dysphoria, they didn’t retract or amend that letter in any way.

    13/ Three days later, Plume sent this letter to "Chelsea Bussey” –
    who does not exist — saying he was experiencing "significant, ongoing
    gender dysphoria.” The letter strongly recommended “Chelsea” for
    testicle removal. pic.twitter.com/WzIMsjygS6

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    There’s no excuse for that. Plume had multiple opportunities to tell the truth in their letter, and they chose not to. In his intake form, Gregg indicated he didn’t have dysphoria for 6 months or more. That means, under the current version of the DSM, he never should have been diagnosed with it in the first place. But Plume never once asked Gregg about this in his video interview. Instead they just said he had dysphoria in his letter, which they intended to be used by a surgeon who would then carve up Gregg’s testicles.

    Why didn’t Plume amend the letter once they were made aware that Gregg didn’t
    have dysphoria? As Plume’s nurse explained, “in order for the surgery to be
    paid for,” the diagnosis would need to remain. In other words, insurance companies won’t pay for the operation unless the letter contains a diagnosis
    of gender dysphoria. That’s why Plume uses templates that include the gender
    dysphoria diagnostic code. It appears that they plug whatever information patients feed them into the template, whether or not those patients actually have the diagnosis. The templates are provided by WPATH, by the way — Plume admitted that to us.

    It’s not hard to conclude that this operation is fraudulent, but what do insurers think of it? What’s Aetna and United Healthcare’s position on paying
    for surgeries based on cooked-up diagnostic codes? How about Cigna? We understand those insurance companies work directly with Plume. What about David Sacks, whose venture capital firm is one of many that’s funding Plume?
    What are his thoughts on this? Is he aware this is happening? Those are good questions.

    But the problem is much bigger than Plume. They’re far from the only ones doing this.

    Folx, for example, is a major competitor of Plume. They’re in almost every state in the country. They’re also extremely well-funded by venture capitalists. Folx, like Plume, also sells letters that authorize surgeries under the WPATH guidelines. On their website, Folx admits, “It’s quite possible the information in a letter may not be specific to you. For example, they may use a gender dysphoria diagnosis, but you really do not have dysphoria… You may not fit this diagnostic code exactly, but in some cases, the code is needed in order for insurers to pay for the surgery.” We reached
    out to Folx to ask about this. They confirmed that a “diagnosis” — in scare
    quotes — was necessary in order for insurance companies to pay out.

    Again, that’s probably news to the insurance companies. But the bigger issue,
    of course, is what’s happening to the patients who are mutilated as part of this process. It’s not just Plume and Folx who are authorizing surgeries like
    this. There’s a whole network of doctors who crank out these letters. It’s
    called the Gender Affirmative Letter Access Project, or G.A.L.A.P.

    Think of the lives these doctors and these companies are destroying for profit. If they’ll approve Gregg for castration, they’ll approve anyone. Many
    of the luminaries in the field will admit that, by the way. On Twitter, we highlighted this training session from the Juniper Center, which is one of the largest gender therapy practices in the Chicago land area. Watch as the licensed clinical social worker, named Ari Groner, explains that she’ll rubber-stamp whatever letter patients want. She says she’ll even authorize a
    suicidal patient for surgery, because she’s not a “gatekeeper.” In fact,
    Groner says that if her patient is suicidal, that would just make the case for surgery even stronger. Listen to this:

    2/ First, some background. Ari Groner is a licensed clinical social
    worker who educates doctors on “trans healthcare.” At a recent
    training session for the Juniper Center, Groner explained that she
    writes whatever letters her patients want, because she’s not a
    “gatekeeper.” pic.twitter.com/8CVUWiYetY

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    If you’re defending “gender affirming care” for adults, this is what you’re
    supporting. You’re saying it’s reasonable for medical professionals to listen
    to a suicidal patient, who isn’t thinking clearly, and approve them for surgical castration within minutes. You’re saying there should be no barriers
    to this kind of mutilation, whatsoever. At that point, why not bring back lobotomies? What’s the serious, principled argument against it?

    No serious person can defend this industry. It’s completely corrupted, at every level. It’s not just targeting children, although it’s certainly doing
    that as well. The underlying claims and promises of the entire “gender affirmation” industry are lies, and the lies are propped up by even more lies. And we’ll have much more on WPATH soon, and how they became so prominent in this field. It’s a truly disturbing story. Their supposedly rigorous standards of care are purpose-built to be manipulated, as we’ve now
    revealed.

    The practical effect of these WPATH standards isn’t to protect patients. Instead, the WPATH standards protect doctors who butcher their patients. These doctors understand that they need to follow some “standard of care,” or
    else they’ll eventually get sued into the ground for malpractice by the patients they’re disfiguring. So medical providers point to the WPATH standards, and say, “look — we followed those standards. These gruesome surgeries are in fact legitimate medical care!”

    Now it’s time to put an end to this. Insurance companies should cut off these
    providers. Investors should stop funding this barbarism. And at the political level, we need laws so that any doctor who mutilates patients, or lies to insurance companies, goes to prison — regardless of the patients’ age. Florida recently passed a law outlawing, among other things, “trans telehealth” services. They require in-person visits for most of these procedures. That’s a start — which is why the media and the trans activists
    are furious about it. They’re probably going to sue to block that portion of
    the law, just like they blocked the part of the law outlawing child castration yesterday.

    But once people see the truth about what’s happening, the radical gender activists won’t win that fight. That’s why we published our investigation today. The truth is obvious and undeniable. Now that the “standards of care”
    have been exposed for what they are, there’s nothing to stop a flood of lawsuits that could shut down these butchers. We saw it in the U.K. with Tavistock. If something like that happens here, it could save tens of thousands of lives.

    This investigation is just one part of what we have planned for Pride Month. We’re going to expose the full extent of the depravity that you’re told to
    believe is “medically legitimate.” We’re going to show you the truth behind
    all the euphemisms. We’re going to reveal how exactly activists have managed
    to hijack the medical profession so they can mutilate patients for profit.

    This is just the beginning.

    That is truly and deeply disturbing!

    The people at WPATH are genuinely evil as
    are the healthcare providers who use the documents provided by WPATH to knowingly mutilate patients. The healthcare providers who do these
    procedures MUST know that this is wrong yet do it anyway, presumably for
    the money.

    Every last one of them should be banned from the medical profession for
    the rest of their lives plus be subject to ruinous lawsuits from their "patients" (victims!!). The WPATH people need to be in prison for a VERY
    long time and also be subject to ruinous civil suits and/or criminal
    charges, although I'm not sure exactly what law they've broken; probably
    some form of fraud.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Jun 9 11:11:56 2023
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.transgendered

    In article <u5v2lo$1stnu$4@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    One of the arguments you hear a lot in the debate over gender ideology, across the political spectrum, is that adults should be able to do what they want. This is the supposedly "moderate" position. Several presidential candidates believe it. Millions of Americans believe it, too. As long as you stay away from the kids, they tell you, then there’s no problem. The moment you hit 18-years-old, do what you want. "Live your truth."

    It's not hard to see why that position is tempting for so many people. Children obviously can't consent to life-altering procedures, including genital mutilation and castration. Adults, on the other hand, are able to consent to a lot of things. They can vote, buy guns, and serve in the military. So, if they want to pay a doctor to carve up their bodies, then what's the big deal? That's the argument you hear again and again.

    No one really means it, though. And you know that because none of the people making that argument would use the same reasoning to justify, say, lobotomies. If you walked into a doctor's office today and asked him to drill a hole in your head and sever your prefrontal cortex in order to make you feel better about your life, he'd say no. If he did it, he'd go to prison. No amount of informed consent-- no matter how old you were-- could possibly justify it. It's barbaric. Tens of thousands of people's lives were ruined by lobotomies. And everyone recognizes that now. No one's marching in defense of "lobotomy-affirming care".

    Same with healthy limbs. If you walked into the hospital and asked to
    have your left arm amputated because you identify as disabled and having
    a healthy arm hanging off your body constantly sends conflicting
    messages to your brain, so you need it amputated to resolve your
    dysphoria, the staff would refuse and likely refer you for a psychiatric consult as a possible danger to yourself.

    And that's not just an analogy, either. Following fast on the heels of
    the whole trans-testicle fad, we now have perfectly healthy people who
    say they have a dysphoria that makes them identify as disabled and who
    want massive, radical, irreversible, life-endangering surgeries to make
    their bodies conform to how they "feel".

    Oh, and they want either the government or insurance companies to be
    forced to pay for it. In other words, one way or the other, you and I
    will be forced to subsidize this utter lunacy, the same way we're being
    forced to with the troons.

    So, if you defend these gruesome "gender-affirming" procedures on adults, you're not really saying that adults should be able to do what they want. You're saying that, yes, people can change their sex if they want. You're conceding that these procedures-- slicing up a woman's arm to make a fake penis, lopping off healthy breasts, grafting fake nipples onto patients’ chests, et cetera-- are medically reasonable. And in the absence of any kind of statistical data about positive long-term outcomes of these surgeries, you're trusting the doctors to follow an established standard of care. You're assuming they're not going to just mutilate anyone who walks in the door, without regard for what happens to these people afterwards.

    The problem is that the entire industry of "gender affirming care" is a scam. We know that because we just spent weeks investigating the largest providers of so-called "trans healthcare" in the country. We went undercover at one of them.

    What we found is that there are no real "standards of care" governing any of this. To be clear, there are standards of care on paper, and they're
    provided by the transgender activist group WPATH. WPATH's standards are used by major hospitals in this country, including UCLA, UCSF, and Mass General, just to name a few.

    How rigorous are these standards, exactly? After a 22-minute video call, the largest "trans healthcare" provider in the country-- carefully following the WPATH guidelines-- approved one of my producers, Gregg Re, for an orchiectomy. That means testicle removal. Now, 22 minutes would be a record time to get approved for an orchiectomy if you had a real medical reason for it, like testicular cancer. It's insane to approve any serious procedure that quickly, having just met a patient on a video call for the first time. But that's what happened.

    If I injured myself riding a bike and told the doctor I needed ACL
    surgery, how much you want to bet I'd be subjected to a lot more than 22 minutes of medical investigation before surgery was approved? And how
    much you want to bet I couldn't get away with doing it over Zoom? That
    an in-person examination would be required before they started prepping
    the surgical bay?

    We recorded the whole call. At no point did anyone at this health care provider, which is called Plume, push back in any way. They didn't suggest that maybe this was a rash course of action. They didn't verify any of the information Gregg provided, including his fake legal name. All Plume did
    was insist that he pay $150. If Gregg did that, they promised to write him a medically sound letter in support of life-altering surgery. That letter, under the WPATH standards, is required for anyone trying to get transgender surgery in the United States. You have to get one of these letters from a healthcare provider and present it to your surgeon. And Plume rubber-stamped Gregg's letter in 22 minutes. And not all of that time was spent discussing the surgery, by the way. Some of the conversation was about traffic and the weather.

    Sounds like someone needs to go to jail.

    We've uploaded footage of the call on Twitter. In this video call, Gregg assumed the name "Chelsea Bussey". He did not dress up as a woman. He didn't wear any women's clothing or makeup. He didn't go to Party City and dye his hair blue. He just told them he identified as a woman and that he was taking hormones prescribed by his father. Gregg couldn't even pronounce the name of the surgery he wanted, calling it an "orchi-dect-omy". He claimed at one point that the reason he wanted the surgery is that it would speed up his nonexistent transition, which the Plume nurse said didn't make any sense from a medical perspective. But none of this raised any red flags for Plume. The nurse told Gregg she wanted to write him the strongest letter she could. Watch:

    10/ Plume quickly scheduled Gregg for a video interview anyway. He
    assumed the identity "Chelsea Bussey". He didn’t even attempt to
    pass. He badly mispronounced the name of the surgery he wanted. He
    made it clear he didn't know what effect the surgery would have.
    pic.twitter.com/ph8UbM3i6r

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    11/ Nevertheless, Plume's nurse practitioner said she wanted to
    write the most "solid" letter possible to justify surgery. Gregg
    tells her that he once wrote an essay in school about being a woman,
    which everyone thought was ridiculous. pic.twitter.com/iY7Ec3Q1wd

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    12/ Gregg also tells Plume's nurse practitioner that his father has
    been prescribing him hormones for years. The nurse doesn't question
    this in any way. Instead, she says that arrangement is "perfect".
    pic.twitter.com/YsB4BEkUpu

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    A couple days after that interview, as we documented on Twitter, Plume sent Gregg a letter diagnosing him with significant and ongoing gender dysphoria. Therefore, Plume said, he was an "appropriate candidate for Orchiectomy". According to Plume, testicle removal would help Gregg make "significant progress" in alleviating his dysphoria. Even after Gregg followed up with text messages to Plume, explaining that he doesn't have dysphoria, they didn't retract or amend that letter in any way.

    13/ Three days later, Plume sent this letter to "Chelsea Bussey"--
    who does not exist-- saying he was experiencing "significant, ongoing
    gender dysphoria". The letter strongly recommended Chelsea for
    testicle removal. pic.twitter.com/WzIMsjygS6

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    There's no excuse for that. Plume had multiple opportunities to tell the truth in their letter, and they chose not to. In his intake form, Gregg indicated he didn't have dysphoria for 6 months or more. That means, under the current version of the DSM, he never should have been diagnosed with it in the first place. But Plume never once asked Gregg about this in his video interview. Instead they just said he had dysphoria in his letter, which they intended to be used by a surgeon who would then carve up Gregg's testicles.

    I wonder how moviePig feels about this?

    Why didn't Plume amend the letter once they were made aware that Gregg didn't have dysphoria? As Plume's nurse explained, "in order for the surgery to be paid for," the diagnosis would need to remain. In other words, insurance companies won't pay for the operation unless the letter contains a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. That's why Plume uses templates that include the gender dysphoria diagnostic code. It appears that they plug whatever information patients feed them into the template, whether or not those patients actually have the diagnosis. The templates are provided by WPATH, by the way-- Plume admitted that to us.

    So it's not only immoral and life-endangering, but it's insurance fraud,
    too!

    Isn't all this trans-testicle stuff so wonderful?

    It's not hard to conclude that this operation is fraudulent, but what do insurers think of it? What's Aetna and United Healthcare's position on paying for surgeries based on cooked-up diagnostic codes? How about Cigna? We understand those insurance companies work directly with Plume. What about David Sacks, whose venture capital firm is one of many that's funding Plume? What are his thoughts on this? Is he aware this is happening? Those are good questions.

    But the problem is much bigger than Plume. They're far from the only ones doing this.

    Folx, for example, is a major competitor of Plume. They're in almost every state in the country. They're also extremely well-funded by venture capitalists. Folx, like Plume, also sells letters that authorize surgeries under the WPATH guidelines. On their website, Folx admits, "It's quite possible the information in a letter may not be specific to you. For example, they may use a gender dysphoria diagnosis, but you really do not have dysphoria. You may not fit this diagnostic code exactly, but in some cases, the code is needed in order for insurers to pay for the surgery."

    In other words, "We'll probably have to lie so that we can bilk the
    insurance company for the cost of performing this surgical horror show
    on you."

    We reached out to Folx to ask about this. They confirmed that a
    "diagnosis"-- in scare quotes-- was necessary in order for insurance companies to pay out.

    Again, that's probably news to the insurance companies. But the bigger issue, of course, is what's happening to the patients who are mutilated as part of this process. It's not just Plume and Folx who are authorizing surgeries like this. There's a whole network of doctors who crank out these letters. It's called the Gender Affirmative Letter Access Project, or G.A.L.A.P.

    Holy shit. They've actually created an official organization whose sole
    purpose is to openly commit insurance fraud.

    Think of the lives these doctors and these companies are destroying for profit. If they'll approve Gregg for castration, they'll approve anyone.
    Many of the luminaries in the field will admit that, by the way. On Twitter, we highlighted this training session from the Juniper Center, which is one
    of the largest gender therapy practices in the Chicagoland area. Watch as the licensed clinical social worker, named Ari Groner, explains that she'll rubber-stamp whatever letter patients want. She says she'll even authorize a suicidal patient for surgery, because she's not a "gatekeeper". In fact, Groner says that if her patient is suicidal, that would just make the case for surgery even stronger.

    If you're defending "gender affirming care" for adults, this is what you're supporting. You're saying it's reasonable for medical professionals to listen to a suicidal patient, who isn't thinking clearly, and approve them for surgical castration within minutes. You're saying there should be no barriers to this kind of mutilation, whatsoever. At that point, why not bring back lobotomies? What's the serious, principled argument against it?

    No serious person can defend this industry. It's completely corrupted, at every level.

    This is why inquiring minds want to know moviePig's thoughts on this,
    since he (one assumes) considers himself a serious person and he has
    defended this industry in the past.

    It's not just targeting children, although it's certainly doing that as
    well. The underlying claims and promises of the entire "gender affirmation" industry are lies, and the lies are propped up by even more lies. And we'll have much more on WPATH soon, and how they became so prominent in this
    field. It's a truly disturbing story. Their supposedly rigorous standards
    of care are purpose-built to be manipulated, as we've now revealed.

    The practical effect of these WPATH standards isn't to protect patients. Instead, the WPATH standards protect doctors who butcher their patients. These doctors understand that they need to follow some standard of care or else they'll eventually get sued into the ground for malpractice by the patients they're disfiguring. So medical providers point to the WPATH standards, and say, "Look, we followed those standards. These gruesome surgeries are in fact legitimate medical care!"

    Now it's time to put an end to this. Insurance companies should cut off these providers. Investors should stop funding this barbarism. And at the political level, we need laws so that any doctor who mutilates patients, or lies to insurance companies, goes to prison-- regardless of the patients' age. Florida recently passed a law outlawing, among other things, "trans telehealth" services. They require in-person visits for most of these procedures. That's a start-- which is why the media and the trans-activists are furious about it. They're probably going to sue to block that portion of the law, just like they blocked the part of the law outlawing child castration yesterday.

    But once people see the truth about what's happening, the radical gender activists won't win that fight. That's why we published our investigation today. The truth is obvious and undeniable. Now that the "standards of care" have been exposed for what they are, there's nothing to stop a flood of lawsuits that could shut down these butchers. We saw it in the U.K. with Tavistock. If something like that happens here, it could save tens of thousands of lives.

    This investigation is just one part of what we have planned for Pride Month. We're going to expose the full extent of the depravity that you're told to believe is "medically legitimate". We're going to show you the truth behind all the euphemisms. We're going to reveal how exactly activists have managed to hijack the medical profession so they can mutilate patients for profit.

    This is just the beginning.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri Jun 9 15:46:01 2023
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.transgendered

    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    One of the arguments you hear a lot in the debate over gender ideology,
    across the political spectrum, is that adults should be able to do what they >> want. This is the supposedly "moderate" position. Several presidential
    candidates believe it. Millions of Americans believe it, too. As long as you >> stay away from the kids, they tell you, then there’s no problem. The moment >> you hit 18-years-old, do what you want. "Live your truth."

    It's not hard to see why that position is tempting for so many people.
    Children obviously can't consent to life-altering procedures, including
    genital mutilation and castration. Adults, on the other hand, are able to
    consent to a lot of things. They can vote, buy guns, and serve in the
    military. So, if they want to pay a doctor to carve up their bodies, then
    what's the big deal? That's the argument you hear again and again.

    No one really means it, though. And you know that because none of the people >> making that argument would use the same reasoning to justify, say,
    lobotomies. If you walked into a doctor's office today and asked him to drill
    a hole in your head and sever your prefrontal cortex in order to make you
    feel better about your life, he'd say no. If he did it, he'd go to prison. No
    amount of informed consent-- no matter how old you were-- could possibly
    justify it. It's barbaric. Tens of thousands of people's lives were ruined by
    lobotomies. And everyone recognizes that now. No one's marching in defense of
    "lobotomy-affirming care".

    Same with healthy limbs. If you walked into the hospital and asked to
    have your left arm amputated because you identify as disabled and having
    a healthy arm hanging off your body constantly sends conflicting
    messages to your brain, so you need it amputated to resolve your
    dysphoria, the staff would refuse and likely refer you for a psychiatric >consult as a possible danger to yourself.

    And that's not just an analogy, either. Following fast on the heels of
    the whole trans-testicle fad, we now have perfectly healthy people who
    say they have a dysphoria that makes them identify as disabled and who
    want massive, radical, irreversible, life-endangering surgeries to make
    their bodies conform to how they "feel".

    Oh, and they want either the government or insurance companies to be
    forced to pay for it. In other words, one way or the other, you and I
    will be forced to subsidize this utter lunacy, the same way we're being >forced to with the troons.

    So, if you defend these gruesome "gender-affirming" procedures on adults,
    you're not really saying that adults should be able to do what they want.
    You're saying that, yes, people can change their sex if they want. You're
    conceding that these procedures-- slicing up a woman's arm to make a fake
    penis, lopping off healthy breasts, grafting fake nipples onto patients’
    chests, et cetera-- are medically reasonable. And in the absence of any kind >> of statistical data about positive long-term outcomes of these surgeries,
    you're trusting the doctors to follow an established standard of care. You're
    assuming they're not going to just mutilate anyone who walks in the door,
    without regard for what happens to these people afterwards.

    The problem is that the entire industry of "gender affirming care" is a scam.
    We know that because we just spent weeks investigating the largest providers >> of so-called "trans healthcare" in the country. We went undercover at one of >> them.

    What we found is that there are no real "standards of care" governing any of >> this. To be clear, there are standards of care on paper, and they're
    provided by the transgender activist group WPATH. WPATH's standards are used >> by major hospitals in this country, including UCLA, UCSF, and Mass General, >> just to name a few.

    How rigorous are these standards, exactly? After a 22-minute video call, the >> largest "trans healthcare" provider in the country-- carefully following the >> WPATH guidelines-- approved one of my producers, Gregg Re, for an
    orchiectomy. That means testicle removal. Now, 22 minutes would be a record >> time to get approved for an orchiectomy if you had a real medical reason for >> it, like testicular cancer. It's insane to approve any serious procedure that
    quickly, having just met a patient on a video call for the first time. But >> that's what happened.

    If I injured myself riding a bike and told the doctor I needed ACL
    surgery, how much you want to bet I'd be subjected to a lot more than 22 >minutes of medical investigation before surgery was approved? And how
    much you want to bet I couldn't get away with doing it over Zoom? That
    an in-person examination would be required before they started prepping
    the surgical bay?

    We recorded the whole call. At no point did anyone at this health care
    provider, which is called Plume, push back in any way. They didn't suggest >> that maybe this was a rash course of action. They didn't verify any of the >> information Gregg provided, including his fake legal name. All Plume did
    was insist that he pay $150. If Gregg did that, they promised to write him a >> medically sound letter in support of life-altering surgery. That letter,
    under the WPATH standards, is required for anyone trying to get transgender >> surgery in the United States. You have to get one of these letters from a
    healthcare provider and present it to your surgeon. And Plume rubber-stamped >> Gregg's letter in 22 minutes. And not all of that time was spent discussing >> the surgery, by the way. Some of the conversation was about traffic and the >> weather.

    Sounds like someone needs to go to jail.

    We've uploaded footage of the call on Twitter. In this video call, Gregg
    assumed the name "Chelsea Bussey". He did not dress up as a woman. He didn't >> wear any women's clothing or makeup. He didn't go to Party City and dye his >> hair blue. He just told them he identified as a woman and that he was taking >> hormones prescribed by his father. Gregg couldn't even pronounce the name of >> the surgery he wanted, calling it an "orchi-dect-omy". He claimed at one
    point that the reason he wanted the surgery is that it would speed up his
    nonexistent transition, which the Plume nurse said didn't make any sense from
    a medical perspective. But none of this raised any red flags for Plume. The >> nurse told Gregg she wanted to write him the strongest letter she could.
    Watch:

    10/ Plume quickly scheduled Gregg for a video interview anyway. He
    assumed the identity "Chelsea Bussey". He didn’t even attempt to
    pass. He badly mispronounced the name of the surgery he wanted. He
    made it clear he didn't know what effect the surgery would have.
    pic.twitter.com/ph8UbM3i6r

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    11/ Nevertheless, Plume's nurse practitioner said she wanted to
    write the most "solid" letter possible to justify surgery. Gregg
    tells her that he once wrote an essay in school about being a woman, >> which everyone thought was ridiculous. pic.twitter.com/iY7Ec3Q1wd

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    12/ Gregg also tells Plume's nurse practitioner that his father has
    been prescribing him hormones for years. The nurse doesn't question
    this in any way. Instead, she says that arrangement is "perfect".
    pic.twitter.com/YsB4BEkUpu

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    A couple days after that interview, as we documented on Twitter, Plume sent >> Gregg a letter diagnosing him with significant and ongoing gender dysphoria. >> Therefore, Plume said, he was an "appropriate candidate for Orchiectomy".
    According to Plume, testicle removal would help Gregg make "significant
    progress" in alleviating his dysphoria. Even after Gregg followed up with
    text messages to Plume, explaining that he doesn't have dysphoria, they
    didn't retract or amend that letter in any way.

    13/ Three days later, Plume sent this letter to "Chelsea Bussey"--
    who does not exist-- saying he was experiencing "significant, ongoing >> gender dysphoria". The letter strongly recommended Chelsea for
    testicle removal. pic.twitter.com/WzIMsjygS6

    — Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 7, 2023

    There's no excuse for that. Plume had multiple opportunities to tell the
    truth in their letter, and they chose not to. In his intake form, Gregg
    indicated he didn't have dysphoria for 6 months or more. That means, under >> the current version of the DSM, he never should have been diagnosed with it >> in the first place. But Plume never once asked Gregg about this in his video >> interview. Instead they just said he had dysphoria in his letter, which they >> intended to be used by a surgeon who would then carve up Gregg's testicles.

    I wonder how moviePig feels about this?

    Why didn't Plume amend the letter once they were made aware that Gregg didn't
    have dysphoria? As Plume's nurse explained, "in order for the surgery to be >> paid for," the diagnosis would need to remain. In other words, insurance
    companies won't pay for the operation unless the letter contains a diagnosis >> of gender dysphoria. That's why Plume uses templates that include the gender >> dysphoria diagnostic code. It appears that they plug whatever information
    patients feed them into the template, whether or not those patients actually >> have the diagnosis. The templates are provided by WPATH, by the way-- Plume >> admitted that to us.

    So it's not only immoral and life-endangering, but it's insurance fraud,
    too!

    Isn't all this trans-testicle stuff so wonderful?

    It's not hard to conclude that this operation is fraudulent, but what do
    insurers think of it? What's Aetna and United Healthcare's position on paying
    for surgeries based on cooked-up diagnostic codes? How about Cigna? We
    understand those insurance companies work directly with Plume. What about
    David Sacks, whose venture capital firm is one of many that's funding Plume? >> What are his thoughts on this? Is he aware this is happening? Those are good >> questions.

    But the problem is much bigger than Plume. They're far from the only ones
    doing this.

    Folx, for example, is a major competitor of Plume. They're in almost every >> state in the country. They're also extremely well-funded by venture
    capitalists. Folx, like Plume, also sells letters that authorize surgeries >> under the WPATH guidelines. On their website, Folx admits, "It's quite
    possible the information in a letter may not be specific to you. For example,
    they may use a gender dysphoria diagnosis, but you really do not have
    dysphoria. You may not fit this diagnostic code exactly, but in some cases, >> the code is needed in order for insurers to pay for the surgery."

    In other words, "We'll probably have to lie so that we can bilk the
    insurance company for the cost of performing this surgical horror show
    on you."

    We reached out to Folx to ask about this. They confirmed that a
    "diagnosis"-- in scare quotes-- was necessary in order for insurance
    companies to pay out.

    Again, that's probably news to the insurance companies. But the bigger issue,
    of course, is what's happening to the patients who are mutilated as part of >> this process. It's not just Plume and Folx who are authorizing surgeries like
    this. There's a whole network of doctors who crank out these letters. It's >> called the Gender Affirmative Letter Access Project, or G.A.L.A.P.

    Holy shit. They've actually created an official organization whose sole >purpose is to openly commit insurance fraud.

    Think of the lives these doctors and these companies are destroying for
    profit. If they'll approve Gregg for castration, they'll approve anyone.
    Many of the luminaries in the field will admit that, by the way. On Twitter, >> we highlighted this training session from the Juniper Center, which is one >> of the largest gender therapy practices in the Chicagoland area. Watch as the
    licensed clinical social worker, named Ari Groner, explains that she'll
    rubber-stamp whatever letter patients want. She says she'll even authorize a >> suicidal patient for surgery, because she's not a "gatekeeper". In fact,
    Groner says that if her patient is suicidal, that would just make the case >> for surgery even stronger.

    If you're defending "gender affirming care" for adults, this is what you're >> supporting. You're saying it's reasonable for medical professionals to listen
    to a suicidal patient, who isn't thinking clearly, and approve them for
    surgical castration within minutes. You're saying there should be no barriers
    to this kind of mutilation, whatsoever. At that point, why not bring back
    lobotomies? What's the serious, principled argument against it?

    No serious person can defend this industry. It's completely corrupted, at
    every level.

    This is why inquiring minds want to know moviePig's thoughts on this,
    since he (one assumes) considers himself a serious person and he has
    defended this industry in the past.

    I am sure FPP will put in his two cents as well.

    It's not just targeting children, although it's certainly doing that as
    well. The underlying claims and promises of the entire "gender affirmation" >> industry are lies, and the lies are propped up by even more lies. And we'll >> have much more on WPATH soon, and how they became so prominent in this
    field. It's a truly disturbing story. Their supposedly rigorous standards
    of care are purpose-built to be manipulated, as we've now revealed.

    The practical effect of these WPATH standards isn't to protect patients.
    Instead, the WPATH standards protect doctors who butcher their patients.
    These doctors understand that they need to follow some standard of care or >> else they'll eventually get sued into the ground for malpractice by the
    patients they're disfiguring. So medical providers point to the WPATH
    standards, and say, "Look, we followed those standards. These gruesome
    surgeries are in fact legitimate medical care!"

    Now it's time to put an end to this. Insurance companies should cut off these
    providers. Investors should stop funding this barbarism. And at the political
    level, we need laws so that any doctor who mutilates patients, or lies to
    insurance companies, goes to prison-- regardless of the patients' age.
    Florida recently passed a law outlawing, among other things, "trans
    telehealth" services. They require in-person visits for most of these
    procedures. That's a start-- which is why the media and the trans-activists >> are furious about it. They're probably going to sue to block that portion of >> the law, just like they blocked the part of the law outlawing child
    castration yesterday.

    But once people see the truth about what's happening, the radical gender
    activists won't win that fight. That's why we published our investigation
    today. The truth is obvious and undeniable. Now that the "standards of care" >> have been exposed for what they are, there's nothing to stop a flood of
    lawsuits that could shut down these butchers. We saw it in the U.K. with
    Tavistock. If something like that happens here, it could save tens of
    thousands of lives.

    This investigation is just one part of what we have planned for Pride Month. >> We're going to expose the full extent of the depravity that you're told to >> believe is "medically legitimate". We're going to show you the truth behind >> all the euphemisms. We're going to reveal how exactly activists have managed >> to hijack the medical profession so they can mutilate patients for profit. >>
    This is just the beginning.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Jun 9 15:00:39 2023
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.transgendered

    On Fri, 09 Jun 2023 12:46:01 -0700, Ubiquitous wrote:

    This is why inquiring minds want to know moviePig's thoughts on this, since he (one assumes) considers himself a serious person and he has defended this industry in the past.

    I am sure FPP will put in his two cents as well.

    What does the New York Times or the Washington Post
    say about the subject? That is their opinion, the
    same as the unimpeachable press.

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