I've never read anything by Asimov and besides a quick introduction to the storyline from YouTube, I knew nothing about the Foundation series so I went into this show with very little information on what to expect.
I have to say that I liked it and I thought the casting was spot on.
However, I don't think it will last long for two reasons. First, it deals with big ideas.
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
continuity people) are all crackheads.
--
Terry Austin
In article <20211010073318.00000b06@nospam.today>, Dex
<vaidam@nospam.today> writes:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the peacock???
That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
Yes. But how well does she know her father's books, what were her
goals, what input did she have?
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
continuity people) are all crackheads.
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
In article <20211010073...@nospam.today>, Dex
<vai...@nospam.today> writes:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the peacock???
That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and continuity people) are all crackheads.
Happily lots of people don't have crApple accounts.Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.Yes. But how well does she know her father's books, what were her
goals, what input did she have?
I'm surprised that there is not more discussion here and in other
newsgroups.
So far, I've watched the first two episodes. I'm wondering on whether
to continue.
On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-7, Phillip
Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
In article <20211010073...@nospam.today>, DexHappily lots of people don't have crApple accounts.
<vai...@nospam.today> writes:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700Yes. But how well does she know her father's books, what were
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TVThat's what happens when your script writers (and producers
show. The first two episodes could have been done in one.
e.g. What was the point of the scene where the emperors
were eating the peacock???
and continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
her goals, what input did she have?
I'm surprised that there is not more discussion here and in
other newsgroups.
So far, I've watched the first two episodes. I'm wondering on
whether to continue.
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote in news:20211010073318.00000b06 @nospam.today:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.Which could mean a lot, or it could easily mean nothing. Various
levels of producer are freebies handed out like candy, and many
executive produces have nothing whatsoever to do with actual
production.
Or arey ou saying Robyn Asimov is a crackhead?
T987654321 <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote in news:b6ed1190-e29a-4a11-b2af-d92da11c1372n@googlegroups.com:
On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-7, Phillip
Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
In article <20211010073...@nospam.today>, DexHappily lots of people don't have crApple accounts.
<vai...@nospam.today> writes:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700Yes. But how well does she know her father's books, what were
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TVThat's what happens when your script writers (and producers
show. The first two episodes could have been done in one.
e.g. What was the point of the scene where the emperors
were eating the peacock???
and continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
her goals, what input did she have?
I'm surprised that there is not more discussion here and in
other newsgroups.
So far, I've watched the first two episodes. I'm wondering on
whether to continue.
Or any interst at all in any screen adaptation, big or small, of
any golden age novel that it is possible to make today, since there
is zero chance of it not being modified beyond recognition to make
it more woke.
Robyn and the Asimov literary estate were consulted and very happy
about the
changes made by David Goyer, including the gender swap. Apple has given season 2 the green light and time will tell if further seasons will be
made.
Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote in
news:20211012121857.00005a72@nospam.today:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:22 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
T987654321 <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b6ed1190-e29a-4a11-b2af-d92da11c1372n@googlegroups.com:
On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-7, Phillip
Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
In article <20211010073...@nospam.today>, DexHappily lots of people don't have crApple accounts.
<vai...@nospam.today> writes:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700Yes. But how well does she know her father's books, what
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com>
wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in theThat's what happens when your script writers (and
TV show. The first two episodes could have been done
in one. e.g. What was the point of the scene where the
emperors were eating the peacock???
producers and continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
were her goals, what input did she have?
I'm surprised that there is not more discussion here and in
other newsgroups.
So far, I've watched the first two episodes. I'm wondering
on whether to continue.
Or any interst at all in any screen adaptation, big or small,
of any golden age novel that it is possible to make today,
since there is zero chance of it not being modified beyond
recognition to make it more woke.
Sit back and watch re-runs of old black and white movies then if
that's your choice.
Mostly, I watch reruns from the 60s and 70s, when I watch TV at
all, which isn't that much. (And I haven't seen a movie since the
pandemic started, but that's a difference of about 1 movie a year.)
Hollywood output is far, far too predictable to be entertaining, by
and large.
I greatly prefer a good book.
other people do want to, woke and all.More power to you. Enjoy. I'll be somewhere else, doing something
*I* find entertaining, and secure in the knowledge that the child
of an author approving of the adaptation doesn't mean anything one
way or the other, which is the point I made.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:29:47 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote in news:20211010073318.00000b06
@nospam.today:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700Which could mean a lot, or it could easily mean nothing.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TVThat's what happens when your script writers (and producers
show. The first two episodes could have been done in one.
e.g. What was the point of the scene where the emperors
were eating the peacock???
and continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
Various levels of producer are freebies handed out like candy,
and many executive produces have nothing whatsoever to do with
actual production.
Or arey ou saying Robyn Asimov is a crackhead?
Robyn and the Asimov literary estate were consulted and “very
happy” about the changes made by David Goyer, including the
gender swap.
Apple has given season 2 the green light and time
will tell if further seasons will be made.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:22 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
T987654321 <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b6ed1190-e29a-4a11-b2af-d92da11c1372n@googlegroups.com:
On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-7, Phillip
Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
In article <20211010073...@nospam.today>, DexHappily lots of people don't have crApple accounts.
<vai...@nospam.today> writes:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700Yes. But how well does she know her father's books, what
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com>
wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in theThat's what happens when your script writers (and
TV show. The first two episodes could have been done
in one. e.g. What was the point of the scene where the
emperors were eating the peacock???
producers and continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
were her goals, what input did she have?
I'm surprised that there is not more discussion here and in
other newsgroups.
So far, I've watched the first two episodes. I'm wondering
on whether to continue.
Or any interst at all in any screen adaptation, big or small,
of any golden age novel that it is possible to make today,
since there is zero chance of it not being modified beyond
recognition to make it more woke.
Sit back and watch re-runs of old black and white movies then if
that's your choice.
other people do want to, woke and all.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:29:47 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote in news:20211010073318.00000b06
@nospam.today:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 08:38:07 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10-9f8d-7e2a67805941n@googlegroups.com:> >>
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.> >> > >>>>> The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???> >> >
That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and> >>
continuity people) are all crackheads.
Robyn Asimov is an executive producer.
Which could mean a lot, or it could easily mean nothing. Various>
levels of producer are freebies handed out like candy, and many>
executive produces have nothing whatsoever to do with actual>
production.
Or arey ou saying Robyn Asimov is a crackhead?
Robyn and the Asimov literary estate were consulted and "very happy" about the
changes made by David Goyer, including the gender swap. Apple has given season 2 the green light and time will tell if further seasons will be
made.
Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote in
news:20211012121630.00003ef2@nospam.today:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:29:47 -0700
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Which could mean a lot, or it could easily mean nothing.
Various levels of producer are freebies handed out like candy,
and many executive produces have nothing whatsoever to do with
actual production.
Or arey ou saying Robyn Asimov is a crackhead?
Robyn and the Asimov literary estate were consulted and “very
happy” about the changes made by David Goyer, including the
gender swap.
Again, that could mean a lot, or it could mean nothing. It could
easily mean "We're happy the check cleared, and we really don't
give a damn what the do with the material." That's common enough.
If she were on the writing staff, that would be a stronger
indicator of a positive influence, but that's apparently not the
case.
"Executive Producer" means *nothing*. Someone being paid a lot of
money for the rights means *nothing*.
Apple has given season 2 the green light and timeIf you like it, watch it. I almost never bother with *anything*
will tell if further seasons will be made.
adpated from novels, particularly in the current woke era when the
novels are golden age stuff, because the changes to meet woke
expectations are pretty much always the entire, and only point, and
that does not provide me with any enterainment value whatsoever.
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:38:11 AM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
continuity people) are all crackheads.
--Episode 3 had even more fluff. It wasted a lot of time going through the suicide of Brother Dusk.
Terry Austin
This was totally pointless and adds nothing to the story. It also included pointless love scenes with Salvor.
There were also additional discontinuities with the book: In the book people knew the purpose of the
vault. It was not a mystery. But the show wastes a lot of time showing the vault to be some mysterious object.
I could go on, but why bother? The show is thoroughly disappointing, IMO.
See my earlier comments about Demerzel actively killing
people..... A total violation of Asimov's laws of robotics....
On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:07:58 AM UTC-4, pubkeybreaker wrote:
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:38:11 AM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote inEpisode 3 had even more fluff. It wasted a lot of time going through the
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show.That's what happens when your script writers (and producers and
The first two episodes could have been done in one. e.g. What
was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the
peacock???
continuity people) are all crackheads.
--
Terry Austin
suicide of Brother Dusk.
This was totally pointless and adds nothing to the story. It also
included pointless love scenes with Salvor.
There were also additional discontinuities with the book: In the book
people knew the purpose of the
vault. It was not a mystery. But the show wastes a lot of time showing
the vault to be some mysterious object.
I could go on, but why bother? The show is thoroughly disappointing, IMO.
Episode 5 was the worst yet. 20 Minutes of Gaal's background story added nothing, and the plot gets further and further from the books.
Why, after 30 years is Terminus a slum? They've done nothing with their infrastructure? And it certainly does not hold 100,000 people....
The conflict with Anacreon keeps getting further and further from the
books. .... There was nothing good about this episode. It just plain sucked. They are turning the story into space opera.
And there is another fundamental philosophical discrepancy from the
books. The plan requires that the Foundation proceed blindly
toward the future. Just the fact that Gaal (who knows the math behind
the plan) is around at all violates this idea, not to mention the
fact that the First Foundation being in possession of the Prime Radiant violates the plan as well.
See my earlier comments about Demerzel actively killing people..... A
total violation of Asimov's laws of robotics....
I'm going to stop watching and unsubscribe from Apple TV. They have butchered fundamental ideas from the books.
pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote:
On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:07:58 AM UTC-4,
pubkeybreaker wrote:
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:38:11 AM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote inEpisode 3 had even more fluff. It wasted a lot of time going
news:ececff88-d5c0-4b10...@googlegroups.com:
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TVThat's what happens when your script writers (and producers
show. The first two episodes could have been done in one.
e.g. What was the point of the scene where the emperors were
eating the peacock???
and continuity people) are all crackheads.
--
Terry Austin
through the suicide of Brother Dusk.
This was totally pointless and adds nothing to the story. It
also included pointless love scenes with Salvor.
There were also additional discontinuities with the book: In
the book people knew the purpose of the
vault. It was not a mystery. But the show wastes a lot of time
showing the vault to be some mysterious object.
I could go on, but why bother? The show is thoroughly
disappointing, IMO.
Episode 5 was the worst yet. 20 Minutes of Gaal's background
story added nothing, and the plot gets further and further
from the books. Why, after 30 years is Terminus a slum?
They've done nothing with their infrastructure? And it
certainly does not hold 100,000 people.... The conflict with
Anacreon keeps getting further and further from the books. ....
There was nothing good about this episode. It just plain
sucked. They are turning the story into space opera.
And there is another fundamental philosophical discrepancy from
the books. The plan requires that the Foundation proceed
blindly toward the future. Just the fact that Gaal (who knows
the math behind the plan) is around at all violates this idea,
not to mention the fact that the First Foundation being in
possession of the Prime Radiant violates the plan as well.
See my earlier comments about Demerzel actively killing
people..... A total violation of Asimov's laws of robotics....
Demerzel is supposedly R. Daneel Olivaw, though - whose
distinctive difference was the capability of comprehend and act
on the Zeroth Law without ceasing to function. If the killing
was adjudged necessary for the good of humanity, Daneel is
capable of doing it - and even more capable of walking away and
letting it happen, or even ordering it done. I haven’t watched
the scene though, so I don’t know whether it’s a fundamental
break with the Laws of Robotics or not.
I'm going to stop watching and unsubscribe from Apple TV. They
have butchered fundamental ideas from the books.
Someone already linked to the Dork Towers relating to this.
Let’s be fair, a faithful rendition of the original Foundation
stories would be a total snooze fest for 95% of the viewership.
Even those of us who admire and have re-read the books could
find it hard going as TV. But the degree of divergence does seem
to be - extreme.
On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 6:45:04 AM UTC-4, Jason Evans wrote:
I've never read anything by Asimov and besides a quick introduction to the storyline from YouTube, I knew nothing about the Foundation series so I went
into this show with very little information on what to expect.
I have to say that I liked it and I thought the casting was spot on. However, I don't think it will last long for two reasons. First, it deals with big ideas.<spoiler alert!!>
The acting and cinematography was excellent.
There are some things that are GROSSLY wrong with the TV series. I don't mean piddling
little things such as Gaal's gender change, or 3 emperor clones or even a bunch of other stuff.
(1) Demerzel is/was Daneel Olivaw. This is an instance where the TV gender change is grossly
wrong. In the TV series the emperors also know that Demerzel is a robot. This is totally at odds
with the books; noone at the time of Cleon even knew that robots existed.
(2) Demerzel takes part in the planetoid raid and directly questions people who get shot, as well
as allowing them to die (!!!) when they don't answer questions. This is in gross violation of the
robotic laws and totally out of character; Zeroth law notwithstanding.
(3) In the books the first crisis is started by the Anacreon revolt which takes place 50 years
after the exile to terminus. In the TV show it happens at the time Hari is put on trial and Anacreon
gets wiped out. This is a fundamental plot incompatibility!!
(4) In the TV show the Foundationers are shipped off to Terminus *without* being allowed to
use a jumpship. ----> Huh??? at sub-light velocities they will never get there. I don't mind
having a willing suspension of disbelief to accept technology, but I don't like impossibilities.
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show. The first two episodes could have been
done in one. e.g. What was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the peacock???
On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 6:45:04 AM UTC-4, Jason Evans wrote:
I've never read anything by Asimov and besides a quick introduction to the storyline from YouTube, I knew nothing about the Foundation series so I went
into this show with very little information on what to expect.
I have to say that I liked it and I thought the casting was spot on. However, I don't think it will last long for two reasons. First, it deals with big ideas.<spoiler alert!!>
The acting and cinematography was excellent.
There are some things that are GROSSLY wrong with the TV series. I don't mean piddling
little things such as Gaal's gender change, or 3 emperor clones or even a bunch of other stuff.
(1) Demerzel is/was Daneel Olivaw. This is an instance where the TV gender change is grossly
wrong. In the TV series the emperors also know that Demerzel is a robot. This is totally at odds
with the books; noone at the time of Cleon even knew that robots existed.
(2) Demerzel takes part in the planetoid raid and directly questions people who get shot, as well
as allowing them to die (!!!) when they don't answer questions. This is in gross violation of the
robotic laws and totally out of character; Zeroth law notwithstanding.
(3) In the books the first crisis is started by the Anacreon revolt which takes place 50 years
after the exile to terminus. In the TV show it happens at the time Hari is put on trial and Anacreon
gets wiped out. This is a fundamental plot incompatibility!!
(4) In the TV show the Foundationers are shipped off to Terminus *without* being allowed to
use a jumpship. ----> Huh??? at sub-light velocities they will never get there. I don't mind
having a willing suspension of disbelief to accept technology, but I don't like impossibilities.
There is also, IMO a lot of unnecessary "fluff" in the TV show. The first two episodes could have been
done in one. e.g. What was the point of the scene where the emperors were eating the peacock???
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote:
On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:07:58 AM UTC-4, pubkeybreaker wrote:
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:38:11 AM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
pubkeybreaker <pubkey...@aol.com> wrote in
See my earlier comments about Demerzel actively killing people..... A total violation of Asimov's laws of robotics....Demerzel is supposedly R. Daneel Olivaw, though - whose distinctive difference was the capability of comprehend and act on the Zeroth Law without ceasing to function. If the killing was adjudged necessary for the good of humanity, Daneel is capable of doing it - and even more capable of walking away and letting it happen, or even ordering it done. I haven’t watched the scene...
I've watched the first two episodes, but my impression was not that good
and generally agreed with what I've read of others' impressions (too
much deviation from the books, too much over-the-top oh-we're-so-diverse
with regard to casting and so on, too many parallels with current
events.
Has anyone watched more than two episodes? Do things getter better?
Worse? Stay the same?
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 3:56:16 PM UTC-5, Phillip Helbig
(undress to reply) wrote:
I've watched the first two episodes, but my impression was not that good
and generally agreed with what I've read of others' impressions (too
much deviation from the books, too much over-the-top oh-we're-so-diverse
with regard to casting and so on, too many parallels with current
events.
Has anyone watched more than two episodes? Do things getter better?
Worse? Stay the same?
It gets worse. Much, much worse. It has no relation to the books
except some names. Indeed, it violates core concepts from the books in
so many ways that I will not take the time to relate them.
On 2021-11-19 14:56:22 +0000, pubkeybreaker said:
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 3:56:16 PM UTC-5, Phillip Helbig
(undress to reply) wrote:
I've watched the first two episodes, but my impression was not that good >>> and generally agreed with what I've read of others' impressions (too
much deviation from the books, too much over-the-top oh-we're-so-diverse >>> with regard to casting and so on, too many parallels with current
events.
Has anyone watched more than two episodes? Do things getter better?
Worse? Stay the same?
It gets worse. Much, much worse. It has no relation to the books
except some names. Indeed, it violates core concepts from the books in
so many ways that I will not take the time to relate them.
Nothing new there. It's just standard Hollyweird "based on" operating procedure. The director and producer always "know better" than the
person who had the actual creative talent to create the original book/comic/game/show/movie in the first place. :-\
Has anyone watched more than two episodes? Do things getter better?
Worse? Stay the same?
hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply))
writes:
Has anyone watched more than two episodes? Do things getter better?I was reminded of Ursula Leguin calling the filmatization of her
Worse? Stay the same?
Earthsea books "a generic McMagic movie with a silly plot based on sex
and violence". The Foundation TV show seems like a generic McSciffy. I
have no idea what it's about or where it's going. It's very pretty to be sure, without a doubt it cost a lot to make. But entertainment value
seems minimal. Writing is generally bad and characters hollow.
Then again, there isn't that much to watch with all the production
delays and cancellations so I think I'll get through it, eventually.
I guess there are a bunch of issues, one of them is that I don't
remember religion featuring heavily (or at all) in the Foundation
books. Or terrorism.
Granted, it's been over thirty years since I read the Foundation books.
Did anyone watch more than a couple of episodes?
Does anyone think that it is good?
On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-6, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
Did anyone watch more than a couple of episodes?
Does anyone think that it is good?
I couldn't get past the first one, pretty stupid.
Did anyone watch more than a couple of episodes?
Does anyone think that it is good?
On 03 Apr 2022, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply wrote
(in article <t2cth8$3ft$1@gioia.aioe.org>):
Did anyone watch more than a couple of episodes?
no
Does anyone think that it is good?
no
Does anyone think that it is good?
no
Someone obviously did since it has been renewed for a second season
which is already filming. :-)
Did anyone watch more than a couple of episodes?
Does anyone think that it is good?
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